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DFW

(54,397 posts)
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:22 PM Feb 2018

A DU meetup in a galaxay far, far away--Steve2470 was just here in the German Rheinland !

Yesterday, Steve2470 from Central Florida graced us with his company for the weekend. He is here in Europe for a few weeks. He was in Berlin, and came over here to the Düsseldorf area yesterday.

I picked him up at the local train station, and since he was a little late, we went right into town, since things aren't open late here on Saturdays. I had to pick up some blood oranges, some freshly baked bread, some "Bärlauchcreme (don't even know an English word for that)," some train reservations for next week, and some Bulgarian Feta cheese from our open air farmers market that is held three times a week here.

We then came home to the house, where my wife met us and put out a spread of German breakfast, with 2 kinds of eggs, 4 kinds of bread, 6 kinds of cheese, coffee, tea, and fresh juice from the blood oranges I just bought.

We talked some politics (surprised?), and then Steve2470 needed a nap from all the early morning traveling (he had gotten the 6:51 train from Berlin). He got up, we exchanged life stories to some degree, discussed, Clintons, Obamas, Kennedys, economic situations, manipulated elections, psychotic presidents (well, really only one), and speculated about his longevity in office, and whether his designated successor was as whacko (I thought yes, Steve3470 not as pessimistic).

I then took him on the obligatory walking tour down to the 1000 year old castle out back, and then he, my wife and I walked up to the local (and fabulously good) Greek restaurant up the road for dinner. We made sort of an early night of it, and somehow managed to be hungry enough for another huge German breakfast this morning. We talked Merkel, a little more personal stuff (we come from VERY different backgrounds, and have had wildly diverse personal lives), and then the future of the USA (send lawyers, guns and money, Dad, get me out of this).

A short nap again, and it was time to get Steve 2470 back to the train station for his train back to Berlin. A little geography lesson (and some money-saving coaching from my wife--ever the social worker), and he was suddenly planning side trips up to København in Denmark and maybe over to Amsterdam in the Netherlands. It's not too easy to grasp how close other countries are here.

So, Steve 2470 became the second DUer to meet my wife (after California Peggy), and the first to actually visit the old brick hut we call home here. His choice of dates was both good and bad. Good in that it was only one of two weekends when I had both Saturday AND Sunday off since I got back from the States in January. Bad in that it was so cold, even the icicles were complaining.

We had a good time, and I think Steve2470 did as well (I'll let him chime in with his own version when he gets back to Berlin). I rarely get a full weekend off from work, and it was nice to have some real live DU company to make it an interesting one!

One thing we did not get is pictures--we were so engrossed in conversation the whole time, I forgot!

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A DU meetup in a galaxay far, far away--Steve2470 was just here in the German Rheinland ! (Original Post) DFW Feb 2018 OP
Awesome! backtoblue Feb 2018 #1
You can star in a new sci-fi film DFW Feb 2018 #17
What a great weekend for all of you, my dear DFW! CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2018 #2
There will be more photos when you come than Robert Capa on the Spanish Front DFW Feb 2018 #18
Sounds wonderful! Ohiogal Feb 2018 #3
Thanks! DFW Feb 2018 #19
So jealous. Baitball Blogger Feb 2018 #4
Back from Amsterdam Amsterdammer Feb 2018 #5
If we're within 200KM..... DFW Feb 2018 #14
How wonderful for all of you. irisblue Feb 2018 #6
We just got our tickets to Pinkpop Festival askyagerz Feb 2018 #7
That's down by Heerlen, NL and Aachen, Germany DFW Feb 2018 #21
Thank you askyagerz Feb 2018 #28
The Neandertal is literally 20 minutes drive from our door DFW Feb 2018 #29
Sounds like a plan! askyagerz Feb 2018 #30
no sweat! DFW Feb 2018 #35
I almost forget, as this city isn't in Germany DFW Feb 2018 #25
Nice! Turbineguy Feb 2018 #8
How cool! PatrickforO Feb 2018 #9
German pesto! DFW Feb 2018 #22
Brlauchcreme James48 Feb 2018 #10
DFW I think you summarized our visit very well steve2470 Feb 2018 #11
How is Pence "less sane"? BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #40
Super-religious AND a rw nutjob steve2470 Mar 2018 #41
That is not a good combination for a VP to have... BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #42
Oh yes, forgot to add that Copenhagen is.... steve2470 Feb 2018 #12
My older brother and I steve2470 Feb 2018 #13
Sounds delightful RandomAccess Feb 2018 #15
So cool! I've been to Dusseldorf but it was many years ago FakeNoose Feb 2018 #16
Thanks for posting this. Ohiya Feb 2018 #20
One thing Germany is only mildly famous for, that Steve got to see DFW Feb 2018 #23
Elder Russians in Red Army uniforms, no less steve2470 Feb 2018 #24
I have a brother who has lived in Germany(Saarbrucken)for 20 years. AJT Feb 2018 #26
Do that! DFW Feb 2018 #27
How fun! Phentex Feb 2018 #31
Did he miss the Carnival? BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #32
This is awesome! You have the best stories and R B Garr Feb 2018 #33
Thank you RB, I am having a great time and.... steve2470 Feb 2018 #36
got a vicarious thrill reading about the visit in Germany! What fun!!! diva77 Feb 2018 #34
We are in the middle of a bitter cold wave right now DFW Feb 2018 #37
Please give MrsDFW my best regards steve2470 Feb 2018 #38
Prague is AMAZING DFW Feb 2018 #39

backtoblue

(11,343 posts)
1. Awesome!
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:28 PM
Feb 2018

Hope you have a great visit! I'm locked away in redtown, but some day I would like to meet some fellow DUers. from Arkansas

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,627 posts)
2. What a great weekend for all of you, my dear DFW!
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:33 PM
Feb 2018

He had posted a little about it in one of the mental health support groups, so I already knew!

LM and I are looking forward to our visit too! We're having to get new passports since our old ones expired in 2015. I got my photos the other day, and it's true what they say about passport photos: If it looks awful, then you really do need that vacation! Mine looks like I just confronted an unpleasant TSA person!

And believe me, I will not forget to take photos.......

DFW

(54,397 posts)
18. There will be more photos when you come than Robert Capa on the Spanish Front
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 05:10 AM
Feb 2018

Of that, I have no doubt!

Ohiogal

(32,002 posts)
3. Sounds wonderful!
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:37 PM
Feb 2018

I wish I could visit Europe and Germany in particular, again, I was there in the mid 80s. My son speaks German so I keep telling him he will have to take his mom over there one of these days. 😁

How cool that a fellow DUer met with you. We are an awesome bunch, aren't we?!

Thank you for your great descriptive post and all the best to you and your wife!

Amsterdammer

(130 posts)
5. Back from Amsterdam
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:05 PM
Feb 2018

..hanging out with in-laws in northern Czech Republic (Liberec) today, Prague tomorrow and most of this coming week, back to Atlanta a week from today. And yes, it's obnoxiously cold. Depending on which altitudes you're at around here, temps have been -8 C to -30 C (17 F to -13 F).

Next time back, probably late '19 to early 2020, we'll stop by your beautiful city and take you and your wife out for fantastic German beer, wine, and the best place for rolladen or sauerbraten or whatever you'd like...how does that sound?!

askyagerz

(776 posts)
7. We just got our tickets to Pinkpop Festival
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:45 PM
Feb 2018

It will be my first time to Europe. So excited. Planning on spending a few days driving around in Western Germany after the festival. What cities would you recommend I visit for some amazing photos? thanks

DFW

(54,397 posts)
21. That's down by Heerlen, NL and Aachen, Germany
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 05:23 AM
Feb 2018

Last edited Mon Feb 26, 2018, 10:39 AM - Edit history (1)

It's about an hour and a half driving from there to where we are.

Aachen is nice, Trier, too. Bigger towns: Köln (an hour or so from Aachen) is full of history going back to ancient Roman times. Just north of there is our city of Düsseldorf with its old town and lines of Rhein shore cafés. If you are up to straying further, Hamburg in the north is wonderful in the spring. A port city with canals, great food and culture scenes. Bremen, too.

Two little-known old beautiful cities closer to Aachen are Münster/Westfalen and Osnabrück. They are about half an hour apart, and well worth a day trip each. Münster is about an hour north of us, Osnabrück a half hour farther north.

About a 20 minute drive south of where I live is the Neander Valley ("Neandertal" ), where the first big find was made. They have a great museum at the site.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
28. Thank you
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 01:30 PM
Feb 2018

It's going to be hard to choose what to do and what to skip. Probably starting in Amsterdam then do 3 days of festival. Then drive for a week. Planning on just making a giant loop.
She's been to Europe a few times so I get to decide where we are going. The Neanderthal museum sounds great. I'm a sucker for archaeology. I want to see as much history as I possibly can. Definitely something we lack here in the US.

DFW

(54,397 posts)
29. The Neandertal is literally 20 minutes drive from our door
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 01:47 PM
Feb 2018

Get in touch when you're nearby!

The local community (also called Neandertal) even has its own top 40 radio station. It probably sounds weird at first when you go dial surfing with the car radio, and suddenly hear a catchy jingle singing "This is Radio Neandertal" Number ten this week on the grunt parade is.......

askyagerz

(776 posts)
30. Sounds like a plan!
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 03:03 PM
Feb 2018

I will get in touch before we head over in mid june. I also might think of a question or two before then. Thanks again!

DFW

(54,397 posts)
25. I almost forget, as this city isn't in Germany
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:11 AM
Feb 2018

You'll be very near the old Dutch city of Maastricht. It's an old medieval university town, with some great pictures to be had in the center of town. If you're driving, be prepared to look long and hard for a parking spot. There aren't many!

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
9. How cool!
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 04:33 PM
Feb 2018

What a great community this is!

I looked up Bärlauchcreme, and as far as I can figure it seems like a sort of German pesto.

That breakfast sounds great, and so does the company.

James48

(4,436 posts)
10. Brlauchcreme
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 04:42 PM
Feb 2018

Bärlauchcreme= flavored cream cheese.

I served in the Army in Wuerzburg for 4 years. I really miss Germany. Wonderful people. Cherished memories.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
11. DFW I think you summarized our visit very well
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 06:18 PM
Feb 2018

I was extraordinarily grateful for you and your wife's hospitality! The two of you could not have nicer.

Yes we covered a very broad range of topics, and I learn from you always, on DU and especially in person. Lurkers and Loungers and DU regulars, DFW knows his stuff! Especially about politics - listen to him carefully before you dismiss his opinion. Yes he actually knows some of these people in DC, and I learned that Pence is LESS sane than I had thought, which is kinda terrifying.

DFW is one of the very best on DU, and, funnily enough, he strongly reminds me of my older brother who is a public defender, Democratic activist and wonderful human being all wrapped into one!

BigmanPigman

(51,607 posts)
40. How is Pence "less sane"?
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:43 PM
Feb 2018

That seems almost impossible. Is he super religious crazy or is he more like a RW nut job?

BigmanPigman

(51,607 posts)
42. That is not a good combination for a VP to have...
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 04:13 AM
Mar 2018

schizophrenic and religious. It is like choosing between half a dozen of one or 6 of the other. We're screwed either way. Pence vs. The Moron...that's a tough call.

Now I really hope Mueller nails Pence too, but does that mean we get Ryan?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029773455
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10029892213

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
12. Oh yes, forgot to add that Copenhagen is....
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 06:36 PM
Feb 2018

Planned for 28 Februar to 3 Marz, and Amsterdam is planned from 6 Marz to 9 Marz. On 13 Marz I take a guided tour of the Reichstag in Berlin, and on 18 Marz I return to Orlando.

On the train back to Berlin I met an older man from Duisberg who works in NYC in a energy-related investment company and who has a residence in SW Florida. I think he liked Trump for purely business reasons (!!!??!!!!!!!!!! sigh) but he seemed to be a good man otherwise. We exchanged emails.

On the train my voice got a bit too loud, and a neighboring passenger told me bluntly to quiet down. I was absolutely mortified, then the older man smiled at me and said quietly "That's Germany". His exact words, not mine.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
15. Sounds delightful
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 08:18 PM
Feb 2018

And it brings back a LOT of memories for me -- I spent 2 years in Germany with my Army first husband, back in the mid-70s.

So picturesque, so interesting.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
16. So cool! I've been to Dusseldorf but it was many years ago
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 10:17 PM
Feb 2018

I remember that I loved the architecture in the old city and the shopping and dining areas were nice to walk around in. You have many nice views of the Rhein River from all over the city. (Also I remember the magnificent bridge spanning the Rhein.) I came for a trade show, so unfortunately we didn't have a lot of extra time to see the city. I'd surely love to come back some day.

DFW

(54,397 posts)
23. One thing Germany is only mildly famous for, that Steve got to see
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 05:39 AM
Feb 2018

That is the ethnic stew that this place has become. Everyone is expected to assimilate, and most people do, and all people I introduced Steve to communicated in German. These, of course included the locals, though the people in this town often come from other parts of Germany (including my wife, who is from the farm country of the northwest). Aside from Germans, gay and straight and of several generations, I got to introduce Steve to locals who are Turkish, Kurdish and Greek. In addition, there were a couple of elder Russians busking in the pedestrian area. Western Europe has cleverly figured out that integration and assimilation mean war between neighboring countries is not only less likely, but impractical to the point of being ridiculous.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
24. Elder Russians in Red Army uniforms, no less
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 06:52 AM
Feb 2018

DFW is a true polyglot and can speak some with the non German shopkeepers as well. You are so correct about the integration. Ratingen is certainly more friendly than Berlin. Case in point: as I told DFW, I stumbled upon a friendly dive/sports bar in the Prenzlauer Berg section of Berlin, which is in the ex-GDR section of the city. Long story short, my new Munchen acquaintance and I were scolded for amicably discussing the Russians in English. Deutsch Only! Needless to say, I am not sure I will go back there.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
26. I have a brother who has lived in Germany(Saarbrucken)for 20 years.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:47 AM
Feb 2018

If I ever get over there I'll give a shout!

DFW

(54,397 posts)
27. Do that!
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:58 AM
Feb 2018

Saarbrücken is about 5 hours south of here, but the route goes through some nice countryside.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
33. This is awesome! You have the best stories and
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 08:49 PM
Feb 2018

information! And some great pictures—-I remember some with Hillary and also your lovely family.

Thanks for sharing.

And Steve, enjoy your trip. I do totally agree that DFW knows his stuff. Such a good resource for us.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
36. Thank you RB, I am having a great time and....
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 04:10 AM
Feb 2018

DFW und seine Frau have certainly contributed to it!

DFW

(54,397 posts)
37. We are in the middle of a bitter cold wave right now
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 11:41 AM
Feb 2018

However--it is supposed to let up a little by the time you get to (not Phoenix) København, otherwise known as Copenhagen.

Steve--

Don't forget to ask the hotel the way to Strøget ("STROY-et" ), the walking street through the center of town. You can send hours just exploring the shops and cafés, not to mention the ones on the side streets.

My wife, as you now know, got a little bit of less-than-favorable medical news this morning, but we're hoping it's nothing evil. She certainly has had to fight enough of that recently, and you now know just how special a person she is. I can't imagine life without her, so we'll just have to beat it, whatever it is.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
38. Please give MrsDFW my best regards
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 03:59 PM
Feb 2018

Last edited Tue Feb 27, 2018, 06:57 PM - Edit history (1)

I just know she will overcome and you two will toddle into a very old age hand in hand!

Great suggestion for Copenhagen, I will do that! My Cologne-born guide convinced me today to see Prague also, so Prague it is after Copenhagen and Amsterdam.

For anyone who may be wondering, I have not been to Europe in 29 years, and I am not sure when I am returning. Money is usually the deciding factor.

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