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UTUSN

(70,725 posts)
Tue May 15, 2012, 02:26 PM May 2012

Will *this* work to rid yard of this grassy weed?



O.K., I have not been able to identify the weed. The ones in this pic are "buckhorn plaintain," NOT mine (and certainly not my landscape). But the pic gives the general shape: A clump at the bottom, a tall thin stalk, and a seed thing on top. The seeds on my weeds are in the shape of spokes on a wheel, different numbers of spokes, five, eight.

A couple or three years ago there weren't many, and I thought to hoe each plant one by one and rake them all up, thinking I would avoid "planting" the weeds by not letting them stay on the ground. Obviously, just mowing the grass would just "plant" the weeds. This seemed to work in the next year. But then the danged things sprouted with a vengeance.

I tried another thing, weedeating the tall stalks and then raking up those, the seed stalks. But this didn't seem to work.

The nursery people have told me that the grassy weeds herbicides were outlawed by EPA, who knows. So here's what I started to try: Using a version of Round-up (that kills everything), but in a very SPOT spray. Just on the seeds.

My specific question is: Will MISTING only the seed heads, separately from working its way down to the roots, make the SEEDS, besides dead, INFERTILE?

It's too soon after the first couple of weeks, but it looks like a resurgence has not immediately occurred in the limited area it's been tried so far.

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Will *this* work to rid yard of this grassy weed? (Original Post) UTUSN May 2012 OP
Just to clarify, fwiw, the method would be: UTUSN May 2012 #1
land grant university SCantiGOP May 2012 #2
Sounds good, at least to identify it!1 Thanks!1 n/t UTUSN May 2012 #6
Why get rid of the weed? Live and let live, and you hedgehog May 2012 #3
Agree, unless you have some kind of Homeowner's Association on you or really got a thing against jp11 May 2012 #4
Plant some of this, it'll drive out that weed. raccoon May 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2012 #24
Kudzu. It's still going places! LiberalEsto May 2012 #26
Don't think that would work. Hell Hath No Fury May 2012 #7
oooh, "deadheading" - exactly what I'm talking about!1 n/t UTUSN May 2012 #11
what is deadheading? n/t orleans May 2012 #20
"Deadheading" is -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2012 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2012 #23
I'm not sure of the cause but the remedy is viagra. rug May 2012 #27
Oooh a Gardening Group post in the Lounge. rug May 2012 #8
Yes...wrong forum! Should it be locked? nt MADem May 2012 #13
I would send an alert but I can't think of anything witty. rug May 2012 #17
Can Lounge *ever* be violated - wittily?!1 n/t UTUSN May 2012 #19
I LOVE those! redwitch May 2012 #9
mow it or chop it down BEFORE it flowers/seeds out Kali May 2012 #10
I think that mow/chop are "planting". n/t UTUSN May 2012 #12
that is why you have to do it BEFORE it flowers or is close to setting seeds Kali May 2012 #14
I LOVED those weeds as a kid,,,, benld74 May 2012 #15
Here's what I know about lawns Major Nikon May 2012 #16
Thank you and YOU (Kali) and all !1 n/t UTUSN May 2012 #18
Just pull the damn thing out. All post-m herbicides do is leave you with (if ur lucky) a dead weed. Shagbark Hickory May 2012 #22
Vinegar to the rescue LiberalEsto May 2012 #25

UTUSN

(70,725 posts)
1. Just to clarify, fwiw, the method would be:
Tue May 15, 2012, 03:33 PM
May 2012

Using a spray bottle, set on "mist," and misting each individual seed head. NOT the ground so as not to kill the non-weeds.

These seeds are heavy grains, not mostly air borne, although I guess STRONG winds would carry them. Besides birds carrying them, these weeds seem to grow in patches not far from the main plants, from the seeds being dropped on the ground or mowed.

I'm sure there's a Lounge Botanist who knows the answer. I think I asked a few weeks ago and similarly got crickets. But crickets are not unusual.

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
2. land grant university
Tue May 15, 2012, 03:49 PM
May 2012

Every state has a land grant university, and each of those have what is called an extension agent. In SC it is Clemson, in most states it is the university with "State" or "Tech" in their name. There used to be an agent in every county, but budget cuts might have ended that. You can take soil samples and they will give you a free analysis of what type of fertilizer you need for lawn, flowers, vegetable garden, etc. Likewise, you can bring in samples of weeds and they will advise you what to use to treat them and, more importantly, when to apply it. Check it out, the free service is probably available in your area.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
3. Why get rid of the weed? Live and let live, and you
Tue May 15, 2012, 03:56 PM
May 2012

may find more birds and butterflies in your yard!

jp11

(2,104 posts)
4. Agree, unless you have some kind of Homeowner's Association on you or really got a thing against
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:00 PM
May 2012

weeds a single plant occupying the landscape is unnatural.

Cut them down or dig them out but I'd not worry or put much more effort in them than that.

Response to raccoon (Reply #5)

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
7. Don't think that would work.
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:51 PM
May 2012

Most weed killers work via the foliage only.

If you are going to "spot spray", then go ahead and do it with a vinegar/salt/dish washing liquid solution.

At my Mom's house, she has a rental unit next to her that is vacant -- the yard is a mass of dandelions that migrate to her yard. I spent last year hand deadheading the neighboring weeds before the seeds had a chance to fully develop, then hitting the greenery with a good shot of the solution. This year, so far, the yard is almost clear of weeds. I think some minor maintenance deadheading and spraying will be all I'll need to do from here on in.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
21. "Deadheading" is --
Wed May 16, 2012, 03:13 PM
May 2012

pulling the future seed head off its stalk before the seeds have a chance to develop and spread. You can do that with any weed/grass that spreads via seed. In the picture in the OP's post, the thing at the end of the stalk is the seed head that has already started to develop (the little white bits) -- if you yank that off the stem before that process begins, you are interrupting its life cycle. It takes a bit of time, but it is well worth it to stop the spread and cut down on future weeds.

Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #21)

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
17. I would send an alert but I can't think of anything witty.
Wed May 16, 2012, 12:12 AM
May 2012

I'll ask him to alert himself, maybe something like "The grass is greener in the Gardening Group.".

redwitch

(14,946 posts)
9. I LOVE those!
Tue May 15, 2012, 05:30 PM
May 2012

We used to pick them and shoot them at each other. You wrap the stem around and slide it forward quickly and top flower or whatever it is snaps off and goes pretty far if you're good at it. I was just ok. We don't seem to have them here.

Kali

(55,019 posts)
10. mow it or chop it down BEFORE it flowers/seeds out
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:16 PM
May 2012

unless it is spreading by roots as well, you will eventually "overgraze" it and kill it without using toxic substances.

if you cut or mow (or even spray) after the embryos are formed (seeds) you are wasting time and effort and probably helping to plant them.

Kali

(55,019 posts)
14. that is why you have to do it BEFORE it flowers or is close to setting seeds
Tue May 15, 2012, 10:52 PM
May 2012

annual plants put all their energy into getting those seeds mature so if you chop the plant down a couple of times while it is just starting to grow you burn up all of its energy reserves and it should die. If it isn't an annual and it is coming up from roots, then you need a different strategy (although removing all above-ground vegetation will kill it eventually) because it will have much more energy reserve in those underground parts.

Most "lawn weeds" are adapted to getting those seeds done FAST and then sprouting again when conditions are right - which most lawns tend to be - watered and fed benefits weeds the same as grass.

The best strategy is to keep it mowed - the grass is much more adapted to growing that way than most weeds, and removing the weeds' vegetation weakens and eventually kills most of them. The real key is to not get stressed about them. They are just plants, if you mow them short, who really cares if they are there?

If you must use poisons, a pre-emergent herbicide applied before things start growing (get it? PRE-EMERGE) is probably best. READ and follow the DIRECTIONS.

benld74

(9,909 posts)
15. I LOVED those weeds as a kid,,,,
Tue May 15, 2012, 10:53 PM
May 2012

We would pull them being careful NOT to break the long stem. Take the stem and bend it over itself creating a loop. Tighten the loop as it nears the 'head' of the weed. Pull back on the loop until the 'head' shoots itself a pretty good distance! I mean for a weed. HEY it was the 60's, NO internet, no video games we made our own.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
16. Here's what I know about lawns
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:48 PM
May 2012

For my purposes, weeds fall into one of two categories. Either they are broadleaf weeds, or they are grass type weeds. For both types, they can either be dealt with pre-emergent or post-emergent. Pre-emergent is generally the easiest way to deal with weeds, especially if they appear at certain types of the year. You just put the pre-emergent out at the right time, and it should either wipe them out entirely or at least make them much easier to deal with post-emergent.

If you're dealing with weeds post-emergent, if they fall into the category of broad leaf weeds, they can be dealt with by using Weed-b-Gone, or a similar product. It's good to know the name of the weed so you can check the list of covered weeds. Following the manufacturers recommendations usually produces good results and the product is not that expensive.

For post-emergence of grass type weeds (crabgrass, dallisgrass, paspalum, etc.), the options are a bit trickier. My understanding is that arsenic-based herbicides have been banned by the EPA. I can no longer find MSMA or CSMA anymore so I assume this is true. These were great herbicides because they were cheap and extremely effective post emergent treatment for grassy weeds, especially on southern lawns. Unfortunately golf courses used the stuff by the 55 gallon barrel and it started affecting the water supply in Florida, which is why the EPA banned it. I believe you can still use Quinclorac, but it's not as effective and it's a lot more expensive.

You can always use glyphosate (Roundup) for post-emergence, but obviously this kills both the weed and the grass if both are green. I use glyphosate in the winter to spot treat weeds that are active when my grass is dormant. Glyphosate won't kill dormant grass. When your grass is not dormant, one other strategy is to soak a cloth with glyphosate and wipe it on the leaves of the weed to make the treatment more selective.

My strategy is pretty simple. I use a pre-emergent herbicide in the spring and the fall. I fertilize moderately during the growing season, and I keep my lawn mowed at the right level for the type of grass I have. This keeps most of the weeds at bay and I don't have that much need for post-emergent treatments.

Shagbark Hickory

(8,719 posts)
22. Just pull the damn thing out. All post-m herbicides do is leave you with (if ur lucky) a dead weed.
Wed May 16, 2012, 05:26 PM
May 2012

Look for a tool called the Turf Hound. It plucks broadleaf weeds like that out in a fraction of a second and is easy to use. No chems and no profits for monsanto.

If you don't like that idea, you can use weedBgone on that.

As for your question about misting the seedheads, doubtful that will work. Roundup isn't all that effective. It's a shitty product and the company that makes it is dead set on controlling and ultimately destroying the worlds food supply.

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