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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsWatched 1st ep. of "Man in the High Castle" not sure if I want to continue. (possible spoilers)
The first episode was fascinating, in a grim way.
But, I don't know if I want to continue watching it. It's so bleak.
I "spoiled" it for myself, because I wanted to know what I might be getting into, and that only increased my doubts.
It doesn't look like there's a happy ending for any damn body, and, ultimately, I don't know why I should care about characters who are all headed for a grisly end.
It's a really fascinating "what if" but beyond that, what's the merit?
Any fans want to enlighten me?
I also read about the original novel. I find it interesting that Philip K. Dick had originally planned a sequel, but never ended up writing it because it was such a dark headspace to be in. I can certainly understand that.
hlthe2b
(102,408 posts)Einstein was a proponent of parallel universe as theory, so I found it worth considering.
It has a very good cast and I'm a fan of the clothing of the 40s and that is well done.... Different strokes for different folks, though...
Coventina
(27,195 posts)that it looks like it's just bleak, with moments of horror.
Nothing good happens to the good guys, so why care?
I don't want to care about characters who are all going to die horribly.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)It is not as bleak as it first appears. There's no pot of gold at the end, but hope and even some salvation comes from surprising places.
The novel is worth a read, but very different from the series. I didn't know that Dick though a sequel would be too dark, considering he wrote some of the darkest science fiction ever.
Coventina
(27,195 posts)biographies of the high-ranking Nazi officials and speculating on what they would have done, if victorious.
At least, that's what I read on the internets.
True Dough
(17,337 posts)except I didn't even finish the first episode.
I'd heard and read so many great things about this series. Was very eager to finally give it a go. But I'm a fickle viewer. Once it ran about 15 or 20 minutes, bullets were being sprayed and the main character came out of it unscathed, very James Bond-esque.
I can't stand that sort of thing. Too implausible, so I quit.
Just. Like. That.
Coventina
(27,195 posts)The reason Joe improbably gets away is because he's really a Nazi agent, and he was meant to get away in order to make the connection and net more of the resistance.
I found it really implausible as well that he would get away with it, but at the VERY END of the first episode, he phones in to report his success.
True Dough
(17,337 posts)I packed it in too soon. Maybe I'll try again someday.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)I love science fiction, although Ive not read the novel. I do plan to read it.
The cast, writing & cinematography are excellent. I love the costumes and set design.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Just couldn't get 'into' it.
And I'm a BIG fan of that genre of fiction.
Dr Vegas
(456 posts)I have found the Promotional Marketings for this show fasicating,
One year they developed a campaign called "Resistance Radio" and many Trump-pets went on Twitter to bitch about it (Thinking it was all about Trump). The show is based on a book that was written years before the "Age of Trump".
This year there was an simple ad that featured the Nazi flag slowly breaking into Peace Doves/Birds and again Trump-pets came out onto the Internet to bitch about it
Dr Vegas
(456 posts)Dr Vegas
(456 posts)bluedigger
(17,087 posts)A lot of shit happens to these folks. Keep watching.
Coventina
(27,195 posts)I just don't see the point of watching people get murdered and whatnot when there's no point to it all.
I'm not someone who needs lollipops and rainbows all the time, but relentless bleakness is a bit much.
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)Now there's some relentless bleakness. Where the story starts is not necessarily where the story ends, but I haven't gotten there, yet.
Coventina
(27,195 posts)I don't think I could handle that, either.
hlthe2b
(102,408 posts)Ironically, it seems even darker to me than ''High Castle"
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I don't know why people seek out such bleak entertainment. If I want to experience misery and hopelessness, I'll just get up and go to my job like I usually do.
Coventina
(27,195 posts)I don't hate my job that much, but I have enough sorrows in my own life to deal with.
Having watched the first episode, I am profoundly thankful in a new way that we won WWII.
I also had to stop watching "The Sopranos" because it just brought me down.
I don't need to watch shows that actually put me in a bad mood.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)We get enough misery in life.
You don't need to be a Pollyanna. Life isn't perfect. But it's not horrible, either. Choose entertainment that gives you hope to meet the next day, whatever it is.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It was just too depressing for me. I have the Man In The High Castle on my list, but am still a little wary about watching it. I don't need my films/TV shows to be all rainbows and puppy dogs either, but I can only handle so much misery before I just give up altogether. There has to be some chance of redemption or victory.
Fla Dem
(23,768 posts)Probably not your cup of tea. Not sure anything said will change your mind. But it's a period piece about a fictional period of time and people's efforts to set things right. Definitely not a feel good story.
Coventina
(27,195 posts)when the ash of incinerated people were floating around two of the characters.
Most shows don't do that (at least the ones I watch).
Yes, I understand that actually happened in Nazi Germany. I don't mean to downplay the horrors of the Holocaust at all.
I just don't know that a fictionalized continuance of them is at all edifying.
Dr Vegas
(456 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,301 posts)After years of hearing so much about how great a writer he was supposed to be, and how great that particular novel was supposed to be, I had actually read the book, but years later, could remember much of the story but not how it ended. So I re-read it, and realized why I had forgotten the ending. Basically, it's nothing. What was the point of the whole thing ? Just that little puff of misogyny at the end, and then everyone goes their separate ways ? It's like you're following an absorbing plot when suddenly the book just ends, like he ran out of paper. The novel is famous for its intricately detailed "world-building", but the ending is unworthy of the effort expended on the preceding pages.
Dick was married five times, and apparently tried to murder two wives, one of whom he later had involuntary committed to an asylum (the other was a murder-suicide attempt). It is not hard to find misogynic elements in many of his works, and I am not the type of person to make accusations of misogyny lightly -- I believe that inappropriate use of accusations weakens the effectiveness of those accusations when they are really deserved. But a quick read of any PKD bio reveals recurring psychiatric problems in his life, and problematic (to say the least) relationships with women. His last novel, Radio Free Albemuth, in which the protagonist mentally picks up signals from a distant civilization around the star Albemuth when the Santa Ana winds blow, was, ahem, "semi-autobiographical", and the voices in the head were on the wrong side of "semi".
Having said that, I understand the series is very different from the book. That could well constitute an improvement.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,634 posts)JDC
(10,135 posts)It gets squirrelly in S3 imo, but its worth the watch.
Watch.
Nictuku
(3,617 posts)I had no interest in watching it because the concept was so disturbing.
I'm glad I went back and tried it again. There are some very interesting (and big) twists in the story.
This shouldn't be too much of a spoiler, but the author of the original book, Philip K. Dick, is a renowned Sci Fi writer.