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Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 08:04 AM Jan 2019

It's always something. Just when I thought I was getting ahead...

...my wife's car took a crap on us.

I spent most of last year paying off debt, and I got a lot accomplished. We have no credit card debt now, and we have newer cell phones that are paid off. I also paid for new tires for my car last year and tithed to our church. I did all of that while my wife stayed home. I was also able to set back some for retirement.

I worked a lot of overtime to do that, though, and that is no longer available. We were short handed for much of the year last year where I work, but they filled a position in mid-December and that ended the overtime. I feel much better now, but we aren't going to have as much money coming in.

Well, I guess cars don't last forever. She has a 2003 Chevy Tracker. It's been a good little car for us and it still only has about 95,000 miles on it. But age and rust have caught up with it. I thought about fixing it up and keeping it, but we are talking $3500 to $4000 to do that which is more than the car would be worth after repairs. Then we'd still have a 16 year old car that will still probably break here and there.

So we are looking for a newer used car. My wife really likes those Buick Veranos. She says her family has always bought GM products. I'm not loyal to any particular car company so it doesn't matter much to me, just as long as it's nice and it doesn't have a bunch of miles on it. We can get a low mileage 4 year old car where I live in the $11,000 to $12,000 range. That's my budget. I'd much rather be able to by a new one, but we can't afford that. I'm happy to be able to afford a car payment at all. It wasn't too long ago when I wouldn't have been able to do it.

The Great Recession hit me hard. I was trying to bail myself out financially during that whole time while not being able to fix the source of the leak. It caught up to me a few years back and my ship finally sank. I had to file for bankruptcy. I've finally recovered just in time for the next recession.

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It's always something. Just when I thought I was getting ahead... (Original Post) Tobin S. Jan 2019 OP
I feel your pain. Same thing happened to me in October. I had a 2005 PT Cruiser that I loved. vsrazdem Jan 2019 #1
Personally I think Ohiogal Jan 2019 #2
It was actually the computer system that was not telling the tramission to change gears. vsrazdem Jan 2019 #3
Buy an older Honda of some kind. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #4
I had an old Accord that I sold at 170K miles Major Nikon Jan 2019 #5
That's the kind of miles I'm hoping to get out of my Civic. n/t Tobin S. Jan 2019 #7
Couldn't have exactly been wrecked, least of all a total of nine times. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #12
I have a 2010 Civic and can vouch for their dependability. Tobin S. Jan 2019 #6
There's a problem that many newer cars have Major Nikon Jan 2019 #8
It looks like that's an issue we won't have to worry about. Tobin S. Jan 2019 #10
All three of my chevys have it Major Nikon Jan 2019 #11
Doesn't seem to be an issue with the Hondas. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #13
I have no idea if they have transitioned to DI engines or not Major Nikon Jan 2019 #16
Which means not going to DI is an advantage in terms of the engine doesn't break down. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #17
Not so much for the manufacturer as the problems tend to be outside the warranty period Major Nikon Jan 2019 #18
Yes, you should be able to get 200k miles or 15 years out of a car, except PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #15
I feel the same way about Toyotas TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #9
That is the other brand I'd recommend, although I haven't owned any. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #14
FYI, car rental companies have great deals on used cars TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #19

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
1. I feel your pain. Same thing happened to me in October. I had a 2005 PT Cruiser that I loved.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 08:31 AM
Jan 2019

I bought it in 2006 with 35,000 miles on it. I work at home, so don't have to put many miles on it and it still was under 70,00 miles when it died after 12 years. The transmission would not go out of low gear. Told it would probably be over 2000 to get it fixed, which was really not worth it, so I bit the bullet and got a 2015 Nissan Versa, but I sure wished I still did not have that car payment.

Ohiogal

(31,998 posts)
2. Personally I think
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 09:33 AM
Jan 2019

A vehicle ‘s transmission should last more than 70,000 miles!

But, we had 3 Chrysler mini vans in the 90s.... you were lucky to get 40,000 out of one of those trannies. On one, we replaced the tranny 3 times. It had 275,000 miles on it when it was finally un-repairable and we had to junk it.

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
3. It was actually the computer system that was not telling the tramission to change gears.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:03 AM
Jan 2019

Not so sure these new computers are so great in this case. They said they had to put in the new computer systema and then reprogram everything.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,856 posts)
4. Buy an older Honda of some kind.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:11 AM
Jan 2019

I recently traded in my 2004 Honda civic that had just under 150,000 miles on it mainly because I was jonesing for a newer car. So I bought a 2017 Honda Fit.

I hate to point it out, but overall the Japanese cars are vastly more reliable than the American ones, no matter where they are made.

More to the point, do some serious online research about specific makes and models of cars and how reliable they are. For $3500-4000 you should actually be able to get something decent. Just check out seven ways from Sunday just how good that car, or kind of car, should be.

An enormous amount can be found on the internet.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
5. I had an old Accord that I sold at 170K miles
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:18 AM
Jan 2019

It had been wrecked 4 times and repaired. I sold it to a co-worker as a car for her daughter. They put another 150K miles on it and it was wrecked 5 more times and repaired.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,856 posts)
12. Couldn't have exactly been wrecked, least of all a total of nine times.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 06:26 PM
Jan 2019

In accidents, needed repair, but your essential point that it was almost impossible to kill, despite many clear attempts to do so is valid.

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
6. I have a 2010 Civic and can vouch for their dependability.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:23 AM
Jan 2019

Mine has 125,000 miles on it and it still runs and drives like new. Because I do a lot of highway driving, I'm hoping to get 300,000 miles out of mine. It should at least get 250,000 before I need an engine or a transmission as long as I take care of it.

I'll surely research the model when my wife picks out what she wants. It's not like I don't have a say in the matter. But I don't want to force something on her that she won't like. I don't want this to be a source of resentment for her. I think for the most part you should be able to get 200,000 miles or 15 years out of just about any newer vehicle now days if you take care of them.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
8. There's a problem that many newer cars have
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:31 AM
Jan 2019

Emissions requirements have forced many, if not most, car manufacturers to adopt direct fuel injection in the last 10 years or so. DI has it's own set of problems and some owners aren't getting to 60K miles.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/02/pros-and-cons-of-direct-injection-engines/index.htm

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
10. It looks like that's an issue we won't have to worry about.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:52 AM
Jan 2019

The article says the DI engines are more of a luxury or high end option. That ain't us!

But I've seen those kinds of engines they are talking about- like small 1.3 liter deals with a turbo charger. I'll know to stay away from those now. Thanks.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
11. All three of my chevys have it
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:57 AM
Jan 2019

The reason they are characterizing it that way is because higher end cars typically get new engine technology first and those same engines eventually work their way down the food chain. Now that DI has been around for a while, it's pretty ubiquitous.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
16. I have no idea if they have transitioned to DI engines or not
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 07:33 PM
Jan 2019

Some engine designs are more prone to problems than others. The problem is that with direct injecting into the cylinders, you no longer have the gasoline detergents washing the PCV residue downstream, so the valves eventually clog up with what comes out of the crankcase gases. Some manufacturers have employed strategies that still direct enough gasoline into the throttle body to clean the valves. Others have cleaned up the PCV system.

The advantage to DI is it allows for drastically reduced emissions at no cost to performance.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
18. Not so much for the manufacturer as the problems tend to be outside the warranty period
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 07:53 PM
Jan 2019

I'm pretty sure newer designs will deal with the defects, and some already seem to have few if any issues compared to non-DI designs. However, I do know many people are eventually dealing with poor performance and a check engine light only to discover their valves are trashed and the repair is extremely expensive. All of my cars now specify much higher grade synthetic oil because of this, and I go a bit beyond this with even more expensive oil. Previously you could get by with much cheaper oil and expect no issues so long as it was changed at prescribed intervals.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,856 posts)
15. Yes, you should be able to get 200k miles or 15 years out of a car, except
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 06:32 PM
Jan 2019

some brands simply aren't as good as others.

A pretty good source is also Consumer Reports. Tom and Ray Magliozzi used to have a website that had a section for Q&A about cars, but I can't seem to find that website. It may have been taken down since Tom died and the reruns of the show went completely off the air.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,188 posts)
9. I feel the same way about Toyotas
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:34 AM
Jan 2019

My 2006 Scion (Toyota) xB is still putting along. Toyotas just last forever and rarely need anything other than scheduled maintenance. Subarus are good too.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,856 posts)
14. That is the other brand I'd recommend, although I haven't owned any.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 06:28 PM
Jan 2019

I will also recommend Subaru's, but they tend to be more expensive, and for some reason the Subaru Gods do not like me. The two times I've owned one something bad has happened by 100,000 miles.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,188 posts)
19. FYI, car rental companies have great deals on used cars
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:33 PM
Jan 2019

and they are very well maintained. They usually flip them after they have about 50K miles, so they're recent models too - 2016s and 2017s.

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