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A very sobering thought about cigarette smoking (Original Post) ailsagirl Feb 2019 OP
It breaks my heart that about two-thirds of my patient population smokes. Aristus Feb 2019 #1
I was reluctant to quit because I thought I would crave the rest of my life. I applegrove Feb 2019 #3
At the risk of being annoying, that's hardly breaking news. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #2
As an ex smoker HopeAgain Feb 2019 #4
I'm 70. I came of age when a majority of adults PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #5
Gov does not subsidize tobacco unc70 Feb 2019 #6
It was subsidized years ago up until 2004 yellowdogintexas Mar 2019 #8
Price support was funded by the fee I described unc70 Mar 2019 #9
Abraham Lincoln and Mark Twain had the best quotes DFW Mar 2019 #7

Aristus

(66,380 posts)
1. It breaks my heart that about two-thirds of my patient population smokes.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 04:28 PM
Feb 2019

No matter what I do or say, I can't get them to quit.

I never could figure out how the rigors of quitting don't outweigh a horrible, agonizingly slow death gasping in vain for a lungful of air.

At least none of my patients has ever hit me with the old cop-out: "I enjoy smoking!" They always sigh and say: "Yeah, I know I should quit." they should do it for themselves, of course. But every once in a while, I try to make a personal appeal and tell them it wouldn't be fair of them to break my heart. It's not at all uncommon for medical providers to be dismissed as soulless finger-waggers. But I love my patients and I don't want them to die of a preventable disease.

To quote Yul Brynner: Don't smoke. Whatever you do, just don't smoke.

applegrove

(118,675 posts)
3. I was reluctant to quit because I thought I would crave the rest of my life. I
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 04:43 PM
Feb 2019

used chanpix which worked. It blocked nicotine from getting to the pleasure centre of my brain. When I went off chaotic I smoked awful herbal cigarettes when I craved. Maybe 5 a day. After a few weeks of that I was disgusted with smoking. I had fooled my brain into hating smoking. I've never had a real crave since. I smoked for 27 years. I don't like being around people who smoke because I feel so sorry for them. I never want one. Except once. I'm not kidding. If someone told me I could go through 5 months of mild work and I would be totally dine with smoking and craving I would have quit sooner. Tell your patients.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
2. At the risk of being annoying, that's hardly breaking news.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 04:33 PM
Feb 2019

Well, maybe the exact figures on smoking only one cigarette a day is new information, although I wonder just how many people actually smoke only one a day. Looking at the article, they had a "light smokers" group, 1-5 cigarettes a day, and I suspect that group more likely smoked 5 a day. The study does acknowledge that they depended on self-reported numbers, and it's possible that a lot of people understated just how much they smoked.

It's hard for me to have any sympathy for smokers. As long ago as the 1940s people called cigarettes "coffin nails" which shows that the dire effects were actually understood.

In somewhat related news, I see that Luke Perry, the actor, had a stroke. I was looking at pictures of him and thought, "That's the face of a smoker." And yeah, he smokes. I don't wish a stroke or heart disease on anyone, but damn! What is wrong with people?

And spare me the "Oh, it's SO addictive!" thing. I doubt anyone actually enjoyed that first cigarette. The usual story is how awful it was, so why in hell to people persist in deliberately getting addicted?

Another problem is that if you smoke, your addiction controls you, you don't control it. Heck, if I wanted to torture someone I'd find a smoker to torture, and deprive him of cigarettes until he's just desperate, then start doling them out as I get information. Seems to me as though that would work as well as water-boarding.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
4. As an ex smoker
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 04:47 PM
Feb 2019

I enjoyed my earliest cigarettes. I was a teenager. Nicotine is a powerfully addictive substance and especially for those with addictive personalities. If you have anxiety, ADD, I think there is some relief from a cigarette. I started young, when all the TV and movie heroes were hard drinking and heavy smoking. They say nicotine is more addictive than heroine.

I don't think anyone deliberately gets addicted to anything. I think that is an overly simplistic view and not helpful to the discussion. The better question in my mind is why would a government subsidize a deadly crop? Why would Hollywood and Madison Avenue glamorize something so dangerous? What can we do to further reduce smoking (I believe a lot of progress has been made on this)?

I haven't smoked in ten years and obviously wish I never had. But human psychology is more complex than just don't do it.

Congratulations, however, for being ever so better than everyone who ever smoked.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
5. I'm 70. I came of age when a majority of adults
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 05:40 PM
Feb 2019

smoked. Even then people understood it was bad for you. We just hadn't yet quantified exactly how bad. As the years roll by and more and more evidence mounts up that even one cigarette a day seriously increases stroke and heart disease risk, I just don't get it.

I realize no one actually wakes up one morning and says, "I think I'll get myself addicted to nicotine" but it's still beyond disheartening how many acquire the addiction. And vaping seems to be alluring more young people these days, as apparently smoking and vaping in teens is on the rise.

And given all the bullshit excuses for smoking I've heard so many times over the years ("It gives me something to do with my hands" is a classic) I guess I had a whole lot more willpower than some.

Hollywood and Madison Avenue glamorize smoking because it makes them money. I'm also under the impression that a lot of people in that Hollywood still smoke and I suspect in numbers far greater than that of the general population. I've noticed a strong tendency in movies to show someone as glamorously non conformist by lighting up a cigarette. I started watching the series Russian Doll on Netflix and couldn't even get halfway through the first episode because the main character smokes nonstop. Yuck. The government subsidizes the crop because of powerful lobbying interests. Same with all farm support.

unc70

(6,115 posts)
6. Gov does not subsidize tobacco
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 06:15 PM
Feb 2019

The price support and similar programs were paid through a fee charged on every pound sold. A minor quibble.

yellowdogintexas

(22,256 posts)
8. It was subsidized years ago up until 2004
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 02:14 PM
Mar 2019

At that time, there were also set allotment amounts for each grower. Farmers would always plant their allotted amount because they knew it was a guaranteed income. I grew up in tobacco country, there was great concern when the program changed.

Now they can grow more but it is a very labor intensive crop to grow and it's getting harder for farmers to find local workers. Many farmers import Mexican labor through a program designed for agricultural workers. ( my brother in law and a cousin team up to bring in the workers they will use.)

https://www.ajc.com/news/local/gov-still-subsidizing-tobacco-growers/GNoPh0FgHhhJ0zJKByiNjI/

https://www.npr.org/2014/10/24/357947259/tobacco-farmers-lose-longtime-safety-net

DFW

(54,397 posts)
7. Abraham Lincoln and Mark Twain had the best quotes
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 11:47 AM
Mar 2019

Mark Twain: “Giving up smoking is the easiest thing in the world. I know because I've done it thousands of times.”

Abraham Lincoln: "A cigarette is a pinch of tobacco, wrapped in paper, with fire on one end and a fool on the other."

I know how addictive nicotine can be, and how hard it is to kick once you're hooked. My wife, a retired social worker, had plenty of clients who went hungry for the last three days of the month in order to have money to buy cigarettes. It's a scary addiction!

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