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Today is the Ides of March. (Original Post) Lionel Mandrake Mar 2019 OP
Ah the old days..... Historic NY Mar 2019 #1
Won't get the same from OUR Senate! FiveGoodMen Mar 2019 #2
Instead he stabbed the Senate and the House. fierywoman Mar 2019 #3
Julian Calendar vs Gregorian Calendar Sneederbunk Mar 2019 #4
It's also my 36th anniversary of the day I went to USAF basic training MrScorpio Mar 2019 #5
15 Mar Crabby Appleton Mar 2019 #19
Oh, YES: Beware the Ides of March ailsagirl Mar 2019 #6
If your name is Gaius Iulius or Popeye Wolf Frankula Mar 2019 #7
... Major Nikon Mar 2019 #8
From eyewitness accounts (and neither CNN nor Fox appears to have a clip, so do NOT cry "link?") DFW Mar 2019 #9
Shakespeare invented, or borrowed from his contemporaries, Lionel Mandrake Mar 2019 #10
Or..... DFW Mar 2019 #11
I saw a part of a documentary where he actually said... krispos42 Mar 2019 #12
He said that without an accent? DFW Mar 2019 #13
Unmoeglich Lionel Mandrake Mar 2019 #14
Heh heh. Lionel Mandrake Mar 2019 #15
I took Latin for two years in junior high, so I actually knew that stuff DFW Mar 2019 #16
What Caesar wrote was Lionel Mandrake Mar 2019 #17
Yes, but you never had a hand in writing the text "Latin for dummies." n/t DFW Mar 2019 #18

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
5. It's also my 36th anniversary of the day I went to USAF basic training
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 09:20 PM
Mar 2019

And my very first airplane ride...

Went to Texas... My life was never the same since.

DFW

(54,415 posts)
9. From eyewitness accounts (and neither CNN nor Fox appears to have a clip, so do NOT cry "link?")
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:12 PM
Mar 2019

Cæsar cried out in Greek (must have had a little too much moussaka the night before, I suppose). The "et tu Brute" was translated into Latin later, maybe because someone had an inkling that Shakespeare would write a play about it 1600 years later, and the Greek didn't fit iambic pentameter. Whichever, I'm also relatively sure that JC didn't subsequently yell "then fall Cæsar," either, since English* wasn't even yet patent pending at the time of the assassination.

*for Republican trolls, a bit of explanation. "English" is a hybrid European language incorporating mostly Germanic and Latin (Norman/Old French) root words, with hints of Celtic creeping in on rare occasions. You call it "American" in your official dialect of Republicanese, although the reasoning for that remains a mystery, since most people (except, apparently, for Republicans) are aware that England is in Europe, not North America. Tlingit, Wampanoag, Nahuatl, Guaraní,--now THERE are some American languages. Of course, no Republican would ever admit to knowing that in public, for fear that Sean Insanity would withdraw free support from Fox Noise during the next primary season.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
10. Shakespeare invented, or borrowed from his contemporaries,
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 12:38 AM
Mar 2019

"Et tu Brute", "Beware the Ides of March", and much else.

Caesar may have said "??ὶ ?ὺ, ?έ????", but, according to Suetonius, Caesar said nothing as Brutus stabbed him. Maybe he said "I'll be remembered for the Egyptian calendar that bears my name". Or maybe he said "Alas, I die 44 years too soon to witness the birth of Christ".

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
12. I saw a part of a documentary where he actually said...
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 10:53 AM
Mar 2019

. - / - ..- --..-- / -... .-. ..- - . ..--..

Something about an Aldis lamp

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
15. Heh heh.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:33 PM
Mar 2019

It took me a while, but I finally got the joke.

By the way, we English speakers pronounce his name all wrong. The German word "Kaiser" was derived from the Latin, and its pronunciation is a pretty good approximation to the way Caesar pronounced his cognomen. (In Classical Latin, "C" was hard like our "K", and "AE" was a diphthong like our long "I".)

His praenomen, Caius, was pronounced in the archaic way, with "C" sounding like our "G".

DFW

(54,415 posts)
16. I took Latin for two years in junior high, so I actually knew that stuff
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:46 PM
Mar 2019

Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est (that was the version in our text), and all that. On my first album, I recorded a three part medley and called it "All Gaul." Some people actually got it. His first name was actually spelled with a "G" in our Latin textbook, too (Gaius as opposed to Caius). Considering the age of my second year Latin teacher, she could conceivably have been there to record it first hand, and pass the confirmation on.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
17. What Caesar wrote was
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 04:24 PM
Mar 2019

"Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres" (Gaul is a whole divided into three parts). I wonder what schoolteacher first thought that "Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est" (All Gaul is divided into three parts) would be an improvement. That's like quoting Lincoln as having said "87 years ago, our ancestors introduced into this land ...".

"Gaius" is simply wrong. There was no letter "G" when "Caius" was first written down, and the Romans never changed the spelling.

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