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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:30 PM Apr 2019

The irony of historic structures in the United States.

The fire to Notre Dame Cathedral--where portions of the building date back 700 years--has me thinking about the lack of any comparable structures here in the United States. I suppose the only exception might be some of the pueblos in New Mexico.

In terms of European styled settlements, however, as a Floridian I always find it ironic that we have the oldest European styled settlement in all the 50 states here in St. Augustine.

Ironic because to most Floridians, if your house was built before 1990, it will probably be considered "old".

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The irony of historic structures in the United States. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2019 OP
Right. One of the good things about visiting Europe: elleng Apr 2019 #1
There are much older structures in South America VMA131Marine Apr 2019 #2
I can relate to your post genxlib Apr 2019 #3
I walk past a seventeenth century house on my way to work each morning. femmedem Apr 2019 #4
The US has a different kind of ancient structures Leith Apr 2019 #5
irony? America was only "discovered" in 1492 IcyPeas Apr 2019 #6
I lived in Athens, Greece in the 60's A HERETIC I AM Apr 2019 #7
I've noticed that, too. Rhiannon12866 Apr 2019 #8

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
2. There are much older structures in South America
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:47 PM
Apr 2019

dating back to the Azteca and Incas. Machu Picchu for example dates back to 1450 AD.

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
3. I can relate to your post
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:49 PM
Apr 2019

I grew up in Jacksonville so I had the kind of relationship with St. Augustine that you can only get from frequent field trips.

I later did a study abroad in London when I was 20. I originally went with the idea of "American Exceptionalism" deeply ingrained in my psyche. I thought I was special and that people would want to know me just because I was American.

What I discovered was humbling in a way that only international travel can teach you. Part of that was definitely the history. I was struck how the Tower of London was hundreds of years older than St.Augustine and yet decidedly more modern. I took note that there were glass bottles in the Tower Museum that were older than my entire Country.

Along with that, I also discovered that American tourists can be loud and boorish. Combined with the worst of American TV such as Dallas and Dynasty (showing my age), Americans were not as highly thought of as I thought they would be. I found myself trying to blend into the background a lot. Luckily, I had a Floridians wardrobe so I needed to buy clothes locally for the weather. I could blend in as long as I didn't open my mouth.

But yes, I agree with you. We don't really have a firm grasp of the scope of history until we think outside the US.

femmedem

(8,203 posts)
4. I walk past a seventeenth century house on my way to work each morning.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:50 PM
Apr 2019

I would be devastated if it burned. I can't imagine the pain in Paris.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
5. The US has a different kind of ancient structures
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:55 PM
Apr 2019

Some of the geology of this country is astonishing and worth every bit of reverence you can have. The Arches National Park and the Grand Canyon, for example. There are petroglyphs that are hundreds of years old. Archeological finds include arrowheads that are over 1,000 years old (and the design is that of the Denisovan people who lived in Europe before Indoeuropean speakers migrated there) and dinosaur bones that are millions of years old.

Every place has its own history and each deserves its own respect.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
7. I lived in Athens, Greece in the 60's
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:42 PM
Apr 2019

And I could see the Parthenon from my bedroom.

I would tell people that you couldn’t swing a dead cat in Greece without hitting something that was built 2500 years ago!

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
8. I've noticed that, too.
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:33 AM
Apr 2019

Anything from the '50s or '60s is ready to be torn down or refurbished in this country. In other countries, people still live in houses that are centuries old. When I visited the USSR with my grandmother and her peace group, we learned that the Kremlin was built at the time of Columbus - and we visited a 6th-century church! Boggles the mind!

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