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A good rule to live by (Original Post) Ohiogal Apr 2019 OP
One time I was out walking my dogs along a trail where they could be offleash ProudLib72 Apr 2019 #1
The converse is not true, however jberryhill Apr 2019 #2
Hitler had her murdered to test the lethality Harker May 2019 #5
Lots of people euthanize their pets jberryhill May 2019 #6
Not dislike. Harker May 2019 #7
In your view, referring back to the OP, are non-vegetarians "kind" to animals? jberryhill May 2019 #8
One can be kind to some animals, and brutal to others. Harker May 2019 #9
How about Catherine the Great? jberryhill May 2019 #10
Hot to trot, you might say. n/t Harker May 2019 #11
I'll go with the first part, but frogmarch Apr 2019 #3
Totally agree with the poster. But....... Fla Dem May 2019 #4
My rule to follow is... Lady Freedom Returns May 2019 #12

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
1. One time I was out walking my dogs along a trail where they could be offleash
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 04:39 PM
Apr 2019

A woman with a Samoyed was walking in the opposite direction. When the Sammy came within range, I started petting her. The woman told me I must be a good person because her dog was usually wary of strangers. She had been intentionally set on fire as a puppy! Can you imagine the kind of sick bastards who would set a puppy on fire?! But she came up to me to get pets.

Harker

(14,036 posts)
5. Hitler had her murdered to test the lethality
Wed May 1, 2019, 10:56 AM
May 2019

of the cyanide he had available for suicide, and to keep her from being captured by Russians.

Some animal lover. Love is abstract for some people.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
6. Lots of people euthanize their pets
Wed May 1, 2019, 11:08 AM
May 2019

Considering that the plan was for him also to take the cyanide, which he did, then that wasn't out of any sort of dislike of his dog. You think the Russians would have taken kindly to Hitler's dog?

Harker

(14,036 posts)
7. Not dislike.
Wed May 1, 2019, 12:11 PM
May 2019

The unilateral decision to kill a dog because one is planning suicide is egomaniacal and, I think, doesn't reflect any true concern for the animal. Euthanasia prevents pain and suffering. Snuffing out a healthy young dog out of vanity is murder to me. I understand that Hitler was deeply saddened at her death, but he directed it.

I have no idea how conquering Russians would have acted towards Blondi.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. In your view, referring back to the OP, are non-vegetarians "kind" to animals?
Wed May 1, 2019, 12:27 PM
May 2019

Take, say, General Patton's dog "Willie", named after William the Conqueror:



Now, Willie did indeed outlive Patton, and experienced the trauma of a dog who has lost its owner.

But, countless animals were slaughtered to feed General Patton, since, unlike Hitler, he was not a vegetarian:



All I'm saying is that while someone who is mean to animals is certainly a person to avoid, the mere fact that someone is kind to animals - and not eating them certainly must qualify - does not mean they are a generally decent person. In other words kindness to animals is most significant as a personality indicator in the lack thereof.

Harker

(14,036 posts)
9. One can be kind to some animals, and brutal to others.
Wed May 1, 2019, 12:49 PM
May 2019

That's common. I agree wholeheartedly, and didn't intend to argue with your post.

I've been a vegan for nearly forty years. I have also paid a veterinarian to poison a suffering, dying cat to death.

Absolutes are hard to come by.

Neither Hitler nor Patton would be invited to my historical figure dinner party.



frogmarch

(12,159 posts)
3. I'll go with the first part, but
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 05:38 PM
Apr 2019

the second part isn't really a good gauge.

Years ago I went to a zoo with my son and his wife when visiting them in Alabama. My daughter-in-law didn't want to walk anywhere near the monkey cage because she said one of the baboons didn't like her for some unknown reason and had tantrums whenever he caught sight of her and acted as if he wanted to attack her.

I thought she was imagining it, so I'm ashamed to say I talked her into walking toward the cage with me. Reluctantly, she did, but kind of hiding behind me.

We were a good 20 feet from the cage, and a baboon caught sight of us and glared in our direction, then leaned sideways as if trying to see my d-i-l who now was semi-crouched behind me. When she poked her head out, he began screaming and jumping all over the cage and then glared at her and shook the bars of the cage and as if trying to get at her. When she walked from behind me and turned to leave, the baboon turned his back to us, bent over, and flipped her the bird from between his legs.

A zoo attendant told us that my d-i-l resembled a former zoo employee who'd been fired for always teasing the monkeys.

Fla Dem

(23,753 posts)
4. Totally agree with the poster. But.......
Wed May 1, 2019, 09:56 AM
May 2019

My cat is not a congenial pet when it comes to other people, in fact she barely tolerates me, and that's because I feed her tuna every couple of weeks. So I can't agree with the added comment in the post.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
12. My rule to follow is...
Wed May 1, 2019, 06:47 PM
May 2019

If my dog don't like you, I'm keeping my distance.
If I listed to my pets back in the day, I could have saved myself a lot of trouble.

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