I agree with Scorsese, he was on CBS Sunday morning yesterday and said something like "they don't let us make the good movies anymore". He was talking about the movie about Hoffa that he made with Netflix.

preferred entertainment choice.

Any film that does not conform to strict rules of reality and does not promote a meaningful vision of the human condition should be rejected by discerning viewers.

It will rot our minds and destroy our society.

There ought to be a law against frivolous entertainment.

All movies go through a phase eventually. Just like the 80s was all teens the 90s were all action 00s were drama 10s superheroes. 20s....?

Cat videos hit the big screen.

Please God no

Are they “cinema” the way The Godfather is? No.

Are they good popcorn movies? Hell yeah.

One doesn’t need to take sides on this.

I see movies nominated for awards and that contain subtitles, but I also like action movies and comedies, provided they don't insult my intelligence. Some of those type of movies are quite well-made and worth my time, some not so much. It's not an either/or proposition.

His quote:

“When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he’s right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration,” he said.

Given how Michael Corleone manipulates events in the first two movies, he might as well have been a super hero. While the third movie had its problems, it was probably the only time that Michael's plans went south. All three movies end with multiple high profile assassinations of hard targets without a hitch including apparently Neri being in two places at once.

During the continuum of super hero movies, you have examples of character growth (Logan, Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers to just name a few). We see flawed heroes like Tony Stark. We see beacons of hope like Steve Rogers. We see weak characters like Thor. We see families forming from wildly different individuals.

Gangster movies are genre movies as well. The Kingpin in the Daredevil series was a great villain. So was Killraven and Killmonger in Jessica Jones and Black Panther.

I mean, if you like them, that's great. They just never seemed to interest me personally, though.

Some of them are better than others.

Captain America


Iron Man 2 is so forgettable, I don't even remember the plot, and I think I've seen it twice!

Anyway, if you want to judge me for it, go ahead and kiss my

I love 'em. No judgement here other than that you are obviously a magnificent woman of grace and beauty.

Heck, I love super-hero movies so much I even watch the DC ones.

I kinda feel bad for the poor folks who can't enjoy them.

‘Nuff said. I’ll care what they whine about when Godfather 22 gets a green light.

...and probably a few others, too. As a Marvel fan since 1961, I'm actually ambivalent--the comics themselves long ago became secondary appendages to the films, and they so blatantly disrespected their old fans that I got fed up and quit. And it's always a little frustrating to see one of your private obsessions taken up by a large public...the films are what they are. They're no better or worse than the average Western of the 50s. They at least produced Shane and Bend of the River. Maybe some good director can make a Marvel film of that quality. Black Panther is a good start...

when I was five. I learned how to read from comics.

Many of the super hero movies made today would have been unimaginable in the 1970s in their beauty and complexity.

Of course they are limited by their serial nature and characters cannot move too far off norm if you want to continue with the movies. That is the same for comics.
Still the movies have completed several arcs of major characters.

As far as the modern main line comic super heroes (which I haven't read as much of recently because I read more horror now) how are they disrespectful of the source material? When you have characters approaching 80 years that are confined, I am not entirely sure how you can tell many more original stories.

Some of the biggest comic disasters occurred prior to the movies making it big (can anyone say Spider Man clone wars).

What did you think of Logan?

...especially Quesada. I just felt that they didn't give a damn about me anymore. It was relatively easy to reciprocate, especially given the cost of a comics habit these days... … Yes, the Clone saga was a fiasco--as were many plot-lines--I refuse to use the term "story arc"--before and after. (Remember "Atlantis Attacks?" ) And as far as "original stories" goes--well, yes. It's hard to find new story-lines for old characters. Unless the writer is exceptionally talented. Like Miller when he picked up Daredevil, or Simonson with Thor, or Peter David with the Hulk. Any concept can be made new with talented people at the helm. For that matter, in 1974 the X-Men were a failed concept, not much different from the Inhumans or, a few years later, the Eternals. Then they brought them back...I believe that worked out pretty well...LOL... I thought Logan was OK. A rather sad coda to the X-films...but that seemed appropriate, somehow. I haven't seen Dark Phoenix, and don't particularly want to. I sorted out my feelings about the MU--the mark of a true geek!--with an X-Men fan novel I put on-line. a 450,000 word fan novel... …had to get it all out of my system...

Amazingly X-Men 3 did a better job (which isn't saying much).

I have been hearing the rumblings about how Marvel has been treating the comic book stores. I don't purchase comics anymore. I have at various times had Marvel Unlimited and DC Universe subscriptions along with my library's Hoopla account to continue reading comics.

One thing I would recommend is to get away from the big two. I still love stories from them, but Dark Horse and Image have a lot of good stuff.

You are right about old characters catching lighting in a bottle. I started reading X-Men with the Wein/Cockrum/Claremont renaissance.

Comedy, action, repartee, something interesting to look at, plot not too intricate to follow. What's not to like? It sounds like a fun night at the movies.

I also love movies like Cannonball Run, Mad Mad World, and Smokey and the Bandit.

I wouldn't pass up Shakespeare, Kurosawa, or historical dramas.

It depends on what you're in the mood for. You don't have to walk out of every theater acting like the guy that Woody Allen got into an argument with in Annie Hall.

I've owned a 68 and a 71 Firebird but the 77 like my high school buddy had is the dream.


I wish I still had the other ones though - I saw a 67 Firebird go for over 200k on one of those car auction shows.

I don't watch them.

Wolf

They're not all just a bunch of super heroes vs super baddies.
For instance
Captain America: Winter Soldier was a great spy movie.
Ant-Man was a fun and tight heist movie.

And I LOVE Coppola and Scorcese, too.

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Today there are many artists around the world making fantastic films on small budgets. It's a wonderful time to be a connoisseur of cinema.

Back in the dark ages there were many potentially great artists who simply couldn't afford the cameras and film required to make movies for the big screen, or even quality color television. 35mm cameras and film were overwhelmingly expensive. "Pro" level 16mm film and cameras, judged not quite good enough for the big screen, were not cheap. Television equipment was finicky and expensive.

Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola may be giants, but they are dinosaurs as well.

Technology has caused an expansion in the art of cinematography, not a contraction, an expansion that can't really be judged by the "blockbuster" superhero movies getting top billing at the local multi-screen theater.

Repetitive and predictable, but high on spectacle, and usually well-made and entertaining. I think they're also a pretty natural consequence of the current cinema landscape. It costs a fortune to go to the movies, especially with a family, and most movies will be on DVD/streaming within a few months, so many people have adjusted their viewing habits to only hit the theaters for something that promises big special effects set-pieces. At the same time, TV has been filling in the "thoughtful and complex drama with maybe a little action" niche that directors like Scorsese mastered, so it's not as if there still isn't an audience for that kind of thing.

Talk about a character with absolutely no growth, and the same plot used for 10-20 movies.

I think the 22 MCU arc has covered a lot of ground. It is more akin to a television series.

Sometimes I go to a movie to be moved. Sometimes I go to viscerally experience another perspective I may not have otherwise had access to. Sometimes I go just for fun.

I go to the Marvel movies for fun rather than experience fine art. To tune out and forget and pretend and be entertained. Other movies I go to experience as art rather than have fun... much as sometimes I go to the amusement park and get on the roller-coasters (where I don't expect to see a Monet exhibit) , other times I go to a fine art museum (where I don't expect to see cotton candy while strolling the midway).

Forgot her name. French.

Anyways, she was slated to direct the Black Widow movie. And as a movie with a strong female character, Marvel had this idea idea to give it to a female director who had made other movies about strong female characters.

And then they booted her from the movie. Why?




Well, she is the kind of director that makes serious, dramatic, artistic movies. She told Marvel that she hates action-scenes, and she hates CGI and all that orchestra-music for a soundtrack is just awful.

When asked by journalists why she was out, she blamed sexism.

...The Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, Iron Man, and Black Panther were really good.

watching my 10-year-old son watching them. It reminds me of the wonder and excitement I felt when I saw Return of the Jedi in the theater when I was 10.

Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola are welcome to dismiss the MCU movies, but I’m afraid my son isn’t quite ready for Goodfellas and Apocalypse Now just yet.

The good news is that he’ll get around to seeing them one day, because I wouldn’t be surprised if the experiences he’s had at MCU movies have given him a lifelong love of cinema, just as George Lucas’s dumb teddy bear space opera did for me 35 years ago.

I love the MCU and will continue to support it. Not everything is meant to be super serious deep thought and symbolism kind of stuff. The MCU is for people who need a break from reality. And in this day and age we need more of that kind of stuff!