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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:29 PM Nov 2019

Can anyone here recommend a plumbing forum on the interwebz?

I have little experience working on plumbing, but I do know my way around automobiles. I know how to use tools.

The project at hand involves an old-school toilet. The house was built in 1905. The toilet is an American Standard. I have a part number cast inside the lid, but it doesn't match much. There's a date, May 6, 1962, inside the lid. The design of the toilet is such that the tank is hung on the wall. It is not supported by a rear extension from the bowl. An ell connects an outlet on the bottom of the tank to an inlet on the rear of the bowl. There's a rubber gasket on the rear of the bowl. It's beginning to leak. I took pictures, but I can't attach them here.

I'll look online for pictures.

This is close to what the back of my bowl looks like. The chrome ell connecting my tank and my bowl is 2 inches in diameter.

https://terrylove.com/forums/index.php?threads/standard-pacific-toilet-bowl-from-1931.57244/

Mine is also like the one on that part, in that it goes through a huge amount of water and yet flushes slowly anyway.

Thanks.

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Can anyone here recommend a plumbing forum on the interwebz? (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 OP
YouTube has videos on just about everything, including plumbing videos. I've used YouTube... SWBTATTReg Nov 2019 #1
I agree. I'm going to search YouTube tomorrow, when I'm not at work. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #2
You might be surprised that you'll find the parts in some neighborhood hardware stores. ... SWBTATTReg Nov 2019 #3
I do. There's one over in Arlington (Virginia) that has hard to get stuff. He closes early. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #6
I have one of those, you can find the gaskets occasionally in old hardware stores Kali Nov 2019 #4
I had tried smearing it with a variant of Shoe Goo. That didn't work. What I did yesterday, was mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #10
I would take all of your pictures... LuckyCharms Nov 2019 #5
I took pictures with a Kindle Fire yesterday. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #8
If you have a standard flange on the floor randr Nov 2019 #7
The old toilet is a period piece. I don't use it much now, but I want it capable of use. NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #9
it might be time to replace with new low flow toilet rampartc Nov 2019 #11
I want to keep it. It's not for daily use, but for being original equipment. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #12
Here is a part finder link. CentralMass Nov 2019 #13
I looked at that site not an hour ago. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #14
Here is another link. CentralMass Nov 2019 #15
Nope. In that one, the whole thing is off the floor. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #16
You should email or call American Standard. I had an American Standard CentralMass Nov 2019 #17
Does it look like this? (google ''flush ell toilets'' replacement parts) Donkees Nov 2019 #18
It's that exactly. Who let you into my bathroom? mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #19
Another photo ... possibly useful (?) Donkees Nov 2019 #20
That's like the toilet I've got. That's the part I need. NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #23
Google 2" Gasket for Two-Piece Toilets with Drylock Connection Donkees Nov 2019 #25
Also google toilet ''spud gasket'' Donkees Nov 2019 #27
Is that nut called a spud nut? Mine will take a 2-1/2" wrench to mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #30
Here's a grainger link and it's labeled a ''Brass and Rubber, Inlet Spud'' Donkees Dec 2019 #31
When I get home, I'll see how good your guess was. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #33
The brass nut in that picture, the one that you mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #29
Seems it's called a 'spud-locknut' Donkees Dec 2019 #34
I used to carry those repair parts on my plumbing truck, good luck and I'm glad you are keeping that braddy Nov 2019 #26
Well terry love is the website you got the photo from and one I would recommend. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #21
Flush speed LunaSea Nov 2019 #22
What would I do without DU? NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #24
You can get those tank to bowl 90* kits all over the place.. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #28
The internet knows everything. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #32
Local hardware stores are coming up empty-handed. Ferguson has an outlet in my fair city. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #35
It seems that even the ones sold by Kohler have only a one year limited warranty... Donkees Dec 2019 #36
I just got off the phone from American Standard. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #37
What's wrong with the Ferguson one? Donkees Dec 2019 #38
Probably nothing. I haven't seen it yet. Last night, I learned what model toilet mine is. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #40
Since there are 2 tabs inside the spud, this video shows the person using a bent metal bar... Donkees Dec 2019 #41
I see. My existing spud is not corroded. It's clean, and it looks as if it will mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #42
I've resisted long enough! discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2019 #39

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
1. YouTube has videos on just about everything, including plumbing videos. I've used YouTube...
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:35 PM
Nov 2019

quite a bit too, despite the fact that I'm pretty handy in plumbing...good luck!

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
2. I agree. I'm going to search YouTube tomorrow, when I'm not at work.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:37 PM
Nov 2019

The replacement of the worn part should be straightforward, once I get an appropriate wrench to remove the slip nut. It's the parts that I suspect will prove a challenge to find. Local hardware stores aren't going to have it. All the valves inside the bowl are easy to get from Fluidmaster -- inlet, flush -- no problem.

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
3. You might be surprised that you'll find the parts in some neighborhood hardware stores. ...
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:40 PM
Nov 2019

That is, if you have any around anymore. I had one that closed unfortunately, but I still have two others to go to, in case I need an old part (an 'new' part in reality to replace onto an older fixture of course is what I meant). Give it a shot and good luck!

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
6. I do. There's one over in Arlington (Virginia) that has hard to get stuff. He closes early.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:47 PM
Nov 2019

I need to know what I'm looking for. I'll order from Amazon as a last resort.

Kali

(55,014 posts)
4. I have one of those, you can find the gaskets occasionally in old hardware stores
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:43 PM
Nov 2019

unfortunately mine is from the 40s and they don't fit. my plan is to build up a seal with silicon and paint over it.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
10. I had tried smearing it with a variant of Shoe Goo. That didn't work. What I did yesterday, was
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:54 PM
Nov 2019

to remove the Shoe Goo -- technically, it's for patching gutters. It's Shoe Goo with aluminum particles to match the color of aluminum.

I scraped that off. I took some small polyester-like twine, something you'd see to wrap packages. I smeared that with that black tarry automotive gasket cement. I'll find a picture....

This stuff: https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/permatex-aviation-form-a-gasket-no.-3-sealant-4-oz.-80019/7740018-p

Permatex Form-a-Gasket. I soaked that into the twine and pulled it into the gap that is forming in the original rubber gasket. I think that might stop the leak. Still, I'd rather have a new gasket.

There's a leak only when the toilet is flushed and the ell is filled with water. No water in the ell? No leak.

LuckyCharms

(17,444 posts)
5. I would take all of your pictures...
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:44 PM
Nov 2019

and do a Google reverse image search on them.

Google will find pictures that are similar.

If you find a similar toilet, just click on the link and start going down the rabbit holes. Follow the links as deep as you can, and don't just click on images when doing so...click on "all" and you may eventually end up at something that will help you out.

You'll probably see a few plumbing forums on the way.

I've done this before for DIY dilemmas, and it has helped me out.

PS....I just looked at your post again, and it looks like you've done some pic research. I'll leave this response here anyway...it might be of use to someone.

Good luck.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
8. I took pictures with a Kindle Fire yesterday.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:48 PM
Nov 2019

That was pretty much the highlight of my Thanksgiving. That little Kindle gets in places I can't fit, so I got a nice angle on the connection.

Anyone at a hardware store I showed the pictures to would see right away what I need.

randr

(12,412 posts)
7. If you have a standard flange on the floor
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:47 PM
Nov 2019

I would recommend a recycled toilet from Habitat or such. I recently installed a "new" toilet to replace poorly functional one. Paid $60. Had to buy new wax ring and installed in 15 mins.

rampartc

(5,410 posts)
11. it might be time to replace with new low flow toilet
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:06 PM
Nov 2019

they are held down with 2 bolts on the drain pipe and a wax seal or 2.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
15. Here is another link.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:22 PM
Nov 2019
https://americanstandard-us.com/bathroom/commercial-toilets/glenwall-vormax-wall-hung-elongated-toilet-33809



American Standard 2882108.020 Glenwall VorMax Wall-Hung ...
... 1972, 1971, 1970, 1969, 1968, 1967, 1966, 1965, 1964, 1963, 1962, 1961, 1960, 1959 .... The Glenwall VorMax Wall-Hung Elong

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
16. Nope. In that one, the whole thing is off the floor.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:26 PM
Nov 2019

In mine, the tank is supported by anchors embedded in the wall. The bowl is supported by the floor.

The toilet entirely hung on the wall is a great choice for hospitals, as you can clean the bathroom floor easily. You don't have to go around the toilet.

A new toilet could easily replace what I have now, but that's not what I want to do.

Thanks anyway.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
17. You should email or call American Standard. I had an American Standard
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:51 PM
Nov 2019

pressure assist toilet that I bought at Home Depot. Instead of using a column of water it has a small tank (inside the ceramic tank) with a diaphragm in the middle. The water line feeds the tank and pushes on the diaphragm creating compressed air. They flush really well. Any how, the tank started to leak at the seam and after trying a fix with two-part epoxy, i emailed American Standard about the issue and and less then week later they shipped a new tank to me for no charge.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
19. It's that exactly. Who let you into my bathroom?
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:44 PM
Nov 2019

The gasket at the back of the bowl is beginning to pull away from the bowl.

I'll follow your recommendation tomorrow.

Thanks.

Donkees

(31,418 posts)
20. Another photo ... possibly useful (?)
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:50 PM
Nov 2019


http://cincinnatihistorichomes.com/old-homes-old-toilets-restoring-the-porcelain-god/

The flush valve is installed with a gasket that is tightened with a nut below the tank. The horn that goes in the bowl is a gasket that expands to make it watertight by tightening down the nut of the horn. The bowl is seated on the wax ring and flange the same way a modern toilet is. There is an extra set of holes for the floor bolts, which is pretty common on older bowls. The extra set of bolts is unnecessary and I have found it easier to just have the bolts unattached to the floor and in place just to keep the caps in place.
The 2” “eel” tube is what connects the flush valve or the tank to the horn on the bowl. That connection utilizes a nut and rubber ring gasket to seal both of those connections.t13

toilet lastAnd voila! There is no real reason to be intimidated by a vintage toilet. The two biggest obstacles, I think, are not understanding how a flush toilet works and not knowing where to find the replacement parts.

Donkees

(31,418 posts)
25. Google 2" Gasket for Two-Piece Toilets with Drylock Connection
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 05:19 PM
Nov 2019

Seems to be a variety available (home depot, lowes, etc) from different manufacturers

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
30. Is that nut called a spud nut? Mine will take a 2-1/2" wrench to
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 04:47 PM
Dec 2019

loosen or tighten.

That's the arrangement that I've got in my toilet, I'm sure. I haven't removed it, but I don't see how it could be something else.

The gasket in post #26 looks like the one that goes between the tank bottom and the rear of the bowl in a toilet that is entirely supported by the floor.

We can't get anything out of the ordinary around here. The area is turning into a high-income region, and getting parts for projects that involve working with your hands is getting tough.

Thanks.

Donkees

(31,418 posts)
31. Here's a grainger link and it's labeled a ''Brass and Rubber, Inlet Spud''
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 04:51 PM
Dec 2019

Brass and Rubber, Inlet Spud, Brass, For Use With Toilets
Item # 4THJ7 Mfr. Model # 047007-0070A Catalog Page # 2751 UNSPSC # 47131705


https://www.grainger.com/product/4THJ7

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I'm just guessing

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
33. When I get home, I'll see how good your guess was.
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 04:56 PM
Dec 2019

I think my neighborhood hardware store will be open until 6 p.m., so I can stop there and see if he has that. I'll expand the circle to hardware stores that are farther and farther away. Grainger's pretty far out for me.

Thanks.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
29. The brass nut in that picture, the one that you
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 04:38 PM
Dec 2019

have your thumb and little finger on ... Is that called a slip nut? Is the proper tool to loosen or tighten it a slip nut wrench? That's not a spud nut, is it? Doesn't a spud nut have little indentations in the outer hex-shaped region? Post a picture, say, from a Grainger catalog or from Amazon, if you can, so I'll know what to look for.

Thanks.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
26. I used to carry those repair parts on my plumbing truck, good luck and I'm glad you are keeping that
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 05:20 PM
Nov 2019

interesting old toilet in operation.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
21. Well terry love is the website you got the photo from and one I would recommend.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:51 PM
Nov 2019

Also plbg.com is great for questions like this. There are some real old timers who probably know that toilet like the back of their hand. They are a little crusty and rough around the edges but really helpful.

LunaSea

(2,894 posts)
22. Flush speed
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:55 PM
Nov 2019

Is more dependent on the pipe out than the pipe in.
Is it on a sewer line or septic tank?
If the pipe out is at too shallow an angle it won't flush any faster.
Or if the pipe is constricted at some point between the toilet and tank/sewer.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
28. You can get those tank to bowl 90* kits all over the place..
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:55 PM
Nov 2019

I've gotten them at my local Ace..Security Supply...etc..
Always had 2-3 of them in the shop..they aren't high priced.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
32. The internet knows everything.
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 04:52 PM
Dec 2019

I'm at the library. When I turned my Kindle Fire on, I connected the USB cable to the computer. A popup screen came out to warn me that I was not getting more than a low charge. The Fire locked up. I couldn't get rid of the screen. Since I was at a terminal, I Googled "kindle fire is locked up." The solution came up right away, and I was able to perform a soft reset. I did not want a hard reset.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
35. Local hardware stores are coming up empty-handed. Ferguson has an outlet in my fair city.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 02:48 PM
Dec 2019

The person on the line said to type in "PF100." This came up:

PROFLO® PF100 Series 2 X 2 in. Closet Spud

The image is interactive, and I can't link to it. They come in a variety of sizes. I'll bet mine is the 2 X 2 in.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
37. I just got off the phone from American Standard.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:38 PM
Dec 2019

(800) 442-1902. 20-minute wait, but it's noon here. The woman who answered said that American Standard won't have parts for a toilet that old. She suggested I call Guillen's.

Hard To Find Plumbing Parts Online | Genuine Replacement Parts for Faucets and Showers

Mmmm, that sure sounds like what I'm looking for.

More later....

Donkees

(31,418 posts)
38. What's wrong with the Ferguson one?
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:04 PM
Dec 2019

All these ''spuds'' look just like the one in post#20, being installed in the same type toilet that you own

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
40. Probably nothing. I haven't seen it yet. Last night, I learned what model toilet mine is.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:33 PM
Dec 2019

I looked closely at a photograph I had taken of it. It's an American Standard Modernus.

Here's a page with lots of parts: Hard-to-Find Miscellaneous Toilet Parts

Also, there's something else to consider:

Water Closet & Urinal Spuds
....

Please Note: The closet spud side (washer side) is the part that will fit into the hole in the porcelain fixture. An internal spud wrench is used to hold the spud in place, while the nut on the outside is tightened to allow the washer to tighten evenly around the inside of the hole in the porcelain. The threaded side is for the connection from a flushometer to the toilet fixture or from the tank piping into the bowl (wall hung toilets), depending on how the spud is being used.

So I'll have to get one of those too. I'll probably need one to remove the old spud.

Donkees

(31,418 posts)
41. Since there are 2 tabs inside the spud, this video shows the person using a bent metal bar...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:58 PM
Dec 2019

against the tabs to keep the spud from spinning while he uses a crescent wrench to tighten the nut. The youtube toilet spud videos have various spud wrenches in use, maybe something similar to what you already own.

See the metal bar at around 3:40 mark...

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
42. I see. My existing spud is not corroded. It's clean, and it looks as if it will
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:03 PM
Dec 2019

come out easily. I do not want to crack the porcelain.

Thanks.

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