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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 09:13 AM Jan 2020

Let's play a game: Can you name a book or movie...

Most people in the Middle-Ages were illiterate, so the catholic church used visual aids (what we would call memes nowadays) to express messages and concepts. A big theological topic was how to behave to avoid hell. The seven virtues and the seven cardinal sins were the pillars of the morality-system. In these visual aids, the church linked "good" to "pretty" and "bad" to "ugly".

Can you name a book or movie where the good people are ugly (not simply mediocre-looking, but actually ugly!) and the bad people are good-looking?



The first thing that comes to my mind is the Hunchback of Nôtre Dame... except that the original story is a tragedy where he dies alone in the end by the grave of his PRETTY girlfriend.

What about comedies about some loser getting the girl... except that those losers are never actually bad-looking and they get a PRETTY girl for all their troubles.



Can you think of examples?

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Let's play a game: Can you name a book or movie... (Original Post) DetlefK Jan 2020 OP
Shrek (n/t) PJMcK Jan 2020 #1
No Shrek Jan 2020 #11
No need to take it personally! PJMcK Jan 2020 #12
Cyrano de Bergerac-the play- New Leaf Jan 2020 #2
Beat me by a minute N_E_1 for Tennis Jan 2020 #5
Cyrano de Bergerac...nt N_E_1 for Tennis Jan 2020 #3
Somewhat along the lines your thinking, maybe Mike 03 Jan 2020 #4
The Man Without a Face Zoonart Jan 2020 #6
Freaks... First Speaker Jan 2020 #7
"The Ugly Duckling"🦢 Floyd R. Turbo Jan 2020 #8
Revenge of the nerds Ohiya Jan 2020 #9
Mask. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2020 #10
"Napoleon Dynamite" might qualify......? lastlib Jan 2020 #13
Hunchback of Notre Dame kairos12 Jan 2020 #14

New Leaf

(20 posts)
2. Cyrano de Bergerac-the play-
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 09:26 AM
Jan 2020

-then the movie Roxanne starring Steve Martin and Daryl Hannah.

But of course the other lead characters are gorgeous.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
4. Somewhat along the lines your thinking, maybe
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 09:27 AM
Jan 2020

One of director Brian DePalma's early films was "Phantom of the Paradise," a reworking of Phantom of the Opera but set in the future music industry. The phantom isn't great looking to begin with, but in the first act of the film his face is crushed in a record press so one of his eyes is sort of hanging out of his face, and his face is badly burned; thus he dons the mask. His girlfriend is pretty but she, too, turns against him. He truly has no friends. And of course the people in the music industry (the bad guys, depicted as morally depraved) are supposed to be attractive, expensively dressed, living in mansions, having groupies throwing themselves at them, etc... Paul Williams plays the primary bad guy. You might be thinking, "Paul Williams isn't exactly Brad Pitt," but the director manages to make this work.

This film also ends tragically, with the Phantom dying live on stage, and his girlfriend totally confused about who is "good" and who is "evil." Although I think his girlfriend (named "Phoenix&quot sort of gets what's happening. The last few moments of the film are chaotic and confusing.

I barely remember a novel by Mario Vargas Llosa called "The Storyteller" about an indigenous story teller in South America who mesmerizes people with his stories (while preserving the culture) but mysteriously goes missing. I think he was described as being quite unattractive, but it's been a long time since I read it.

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