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raccoon

(31,111 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:11 AM Jun 2020

I need your input here, DU friends. I have a cousin who's

As far right as I am far left. Most of the time, when we’re on neutral subjects, she’s all right. I should add that I rarely see her.

Anyhow, I have a sister (also a left winger) who communicates with her more than I do. She said once they were talking and cousin used the n word.

Damn, It’s much harder for me to stand up to people if I have a history with them. For instance, a hateful old uncle’s wife who is now in the nursing home and I never have to see her again, it was harder for me to stand up to her than it would be someone I didn’t have all that history with.

Anyway, if I am around this cousin and she uses the N-word, what would you use as a dignified but well chosen response?

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I need your input here, DU friends. I have a cousin who's (Original Post) raccoon Jun 2020 OP
"I do not wish to communicate with anyone who uses that word" ? sarge43 Jun 2020 #1
"Bye!" Floyd R. Turbo Jun 2020 #2
"Please don't use that word around me"... that is ALL I would say & the discussion would be "closed" hlthe2b Jun 2020 #3
Yep cyclonefence Jun 2020 #4
I once had a discussion True Blue American Jun 2020 #6
Arguing gains nothing. True Blue American Jun 2020 #7
Walk away and never speak to her again... GeorgeGist Jun 2020 #5
Agreed Generic Brad Jun 2020 #8
That's what I've done with racist work associates, schoolmates and neighbors. Paladin Jun 2020 #11
I have three siblings Chainfire Jun 2020 #9
That's too bad, and she is the one that is the biggest loser of all in the exchange between ... SWBTATTReg Jun 2020 #14
"peace not as important as trying to convert the rest of us" yellowdogintexas Jun 2020 #16
It has been my experience DFW Jun 2020 #24
"That word makes me uncomfortable." patricia92243 Jun 2020 #10
There is no chance I would be around that kind of thing. onecaliberal Jun 2020 #12
My comment is that I do not use that language, and I don't allow it in my house yellowdogintexas Jun 2020 #17
Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #13
The human condition is that the world around disturbs us sanatanadharma Jun 2020 #15
WTF Skittles Jun 2020 #18
With strangers, I just walk away. Iggo Jun 2020 #19
Ask "What the fuck is wrong with you?" Zorro Jun 2020 #20
My daughter uses the n word. marie999 Jun 2020 #21
very sorry, marie Skittles Jun 2020 #23
Some listed tactics feel passive-aggressive. "I will take my ball and go home." Tetrachloride Jun 2020 #22
If you actually care about them and don't want to end the relationship.... A HERETIC I AM Jun 2020 #25
'Please don't say that. Goodbye' elleng Jun 2020 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2020 #27

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
1. "I do not wish to communicate with anyone who uses that word" ?
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:18 AM
Jun 2020

Then leave or minimum turn away.

I know it's difficult, but "Enough".

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
3. "Please don't use that word around me"... that is ALL I would say & the discussion would be "closed"
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:19 AM
Jun 2020

I had to do something similar with a close cousin many years ago when she brought up the RW meme/rumor that HRC was a lesbian." I said something similar and she ceased saying anything since.

I don't believe in arguing things that are cut and dry. I see plenty of shades of gray in my life, but some things are black and white (no pun intended).

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
4. Yep
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:25 AM
Jun 2020

This is honest and straightforward and applies to the immediate situation. Lectures or attempting to engage with these folks is worse than futile, and it elevates their ugly opinions to something that's worth talking about. Use of that word is indefensible, so why try to explain what's wrong with using it.

Some day this will all be over, and *maybe* relations within families can be salvaged.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
6. I once had a discussion
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:33 AM
Jun 2020

With a family member who was praising Bush on the war. She was driving, we were coming back from an overnight trip to a Casino. I listened for a while, then quietly said,” I disagree with this war.” She was shocked, asked me what I said, I repeated it. Never heard the war or Politics again.

We are great friends, fellow MIL’s. I never said any more. She is very ill now, in skilled living. We never had a harsh word.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
8. Agreed
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:51 AM
Jun 2020

I cut off all ties with my family 17 years ago when they collectively began referring to my wife and daughter with racial slurs (and they also told me I was destined for hell when they found out quiet old me was atheist). When I objected, they circled the wagons and doubled down. To this day they think I am the one with the problem. Their loss.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
11. That's what I've done with racist work associates, schoolmates and neighbors.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:27 AM
Jun 2020

Haven't missed them one damned bit.

I am fortunate that nobody in my family appears to be a trump junkie.

Chainfire

(17,550 posts)
9. I have three siblings
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:04 AM
Jun 2020

one is an Evangelical Christian, Trump lover. I tried to co-exist with her by remaining silent on political discussions when we had family gatherings. She would not refrain from lording her superior right-wing beliefs and trying to save the rest of us from our idiotic left leanings. My younger brother tried and tried to be the peacemaker in the family but peace was not as important to my sister as trying to convert the rest of us, and to let us know how stupid we were.

I still love her, and I wish her peace and happiness, but I can not be in her presence, and will not talk to her on the phone, and I will not answer her letters.

It is a shame, but it is what it is.

SWBTATTReg

(22,143 posts)
14. That's too bad, and she is the one that is the biggest loser of all in the exchange between ...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jun 2020

you two. You must, as you know, stand up for your beliefs and rights.

People such as your sister the trump lover, will find soon that they are the only ones w/ those particular beliefs of theirs, while the rest of the Country has moved on. Your sister will discover that she's had the wool pulled over her eyes the whole time, and she only has herself to blame. She can go elsewhere and insult others if she feels like she must, but she'll find out that people don't like being insulted for their beliefs. Maybe someday your sister will get wiser and know better.

Like you've already decided, don't deal with her (phone, letters, be around her, etc.). These people are toxic and literally not worth it to be around.

I'm the same way kind of, w/ two of my siblings, but due to their alcoholism, not beliefs or such. My non-alcoholic sister and I have tried literally everything to help alcoholic sister and brother to stop drinking, medications, therapies, etc., nothing seems to work, or if it does work, it's very temporary.

So we're to the point that before we expend any more resources and / or energy in trying to help them again, the two of them must first acknowledge that they have a drinking problem...they have yet to decide so. So, anything we do is literally a waste of time, until that point they are serious about recovery and serious about being an alcoholic. This is the moral of my story, 'It is a shame, but it is what it is.'.

Best wishes to you and stay strong!

yellowdogintexas

(22,264 posts)
16. "peace not as important as trying to convert the rest of us"
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 04:28 PM
Jun 2020

That is a huge characteristic of right wing 'evangelical Christians"

It is vital that each member bring new people "into the fold" (or cult)

Methodists still have mission teams but their major purpose is not to convert, but to lift up the communities they serve.

DFW

(54,408 posts)
24. It has been my experience
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 01:56 AM
Jun 2020

I find that some people who are most insistent at forcing their beliefs on others are the one most insecure in their own beliefs. They get reassurance and reinforcement in blasting others with them, in the hope of confirmation of their own shaky faith.

In Dave Barry's famous "25 things I have learned in 50 years," number 12 is:

"People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them."

I was once asked to contribute to some lost soul's mission to go to India and convert people there to Christianity. I said I would contribute an amount equal to the amount she would contribute to people in India coming to the USA to convert the people there to Hinduism. No money changed hands, needless to say.

onecaliberal

(32,864 posts)
12. There is no chance I would be around that kind of thing.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:35 AM
Jun 2020

I don’t have the time or energy for that level of soulless hatred.

yellowdogintexas

(22,264 posts)
17. My comment is that I do not use that language, and I don't allow it in my house
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 04:30 PM
Jun 2020

nor will I talk with you if you use it.

I haven't had to do that in a long time though; I just don't associate with people who would do it

Response to raccoon (Original post)

sanatanadharma

(3,707 posts)
15. The human condition is that the world around disturbs us
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:35 PM
Jun 2020

All of us experience disturbances in life and wish the disturbances were not.
Those who can see and drop out of the game can be sane.

The game may be small as a family gathering, or large like Christmas mall shopping.
The game may not be salvageable.

Currently masses are marching in opposition to the 'cops and robbers' game. This is good.
But is still playing on the other teams field.

Our field is deeply rooted with the weeds of racism. Cutting off the growing tops hides things below 'lawn-order' but leaves the thorns. Thorniness keeps us from risking our own pain, our own fear of failure if we drop out of the game.

In family leaving the field can be problematic. Playing the others' games with their rules reinforces the rule-makers' power.
In anti-Vietnam war times, some sought to rewrite the game rules with flowers when facing off against guns.
The guns are not gone.

The PC world of the past was wasted by the team now trumpeting their ascendance.
Our anti-PC world allows us to walk away in disgust from a game player unworthy of being called Polite and Compassionate.

Compassion is like tolerance; both need to be balance by objectivity.
Excess subjectivity loses the game.

If everyone were to weed one's own garden, the world would flower.


Skittles

(153,169 posts)
18. WTF
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 04:37 PM
Jun 2020

I would not BE around anyone using that word.....I'd tell them to fuck off and then I would be GONE.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
19. With strangers, I just walk away.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 04:47 PM
Jun 2020

Unless their kids are there, there's no point arguing with them.

But with relatives? People I've known since we were babies?

Oh hell no. They're gonna get a fucking earful. And it won't be dignified.

Tetrachloride

(7,848 posts)
22. Some listed tactics feel passive-aggressive. "I will take my ball and go home."
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 06:20 PM
Jun 2020

My critique:

1. Do not say "Don't speak to me again." To me, it means the other persons opinion is tolerable as long as you don't hear it.

My new suggestion:

2. "Don't mistake my good manners for the fact that if I hear it again, you and your job will hear from me." Put the responsibility on them directly for a moral crime.


A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
25. If you actually care about them and don't want to end the relationship....
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 02:06 AM
Jun 2020

then I say something like;

"Please don't use that word. It is mean-spirited, hurtful and distasteful, and when you use it, it makes me think less of you.

And I don't want to think less of you."

Response to raccoon (Original post)

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