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applegrove

(118,674 posts)
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:31 PM Jul 2020

It is going to kill me but i'm going to take a break from the DU during the

Last edited Mon Jul 27, 2020, 04:05 AM - Edit history (2)

US election. I know that there is much cross border influence in canadian and american elections. Conservative federal candidates have hired american politicos and vice versa in the heat of the battle. I have friends who've been given leave from their work with a party to travel across the border in the last week of American elections and work the ground game in the past. But this is your time to vote. Not mine. I hope that outside influence is miniscule in these last 100 days, but i fear not.

When the election is over i will return to posting salient articles on the DU as much of what the right has conjured in the US finds its way into Canadian Conservative politicians brains, including wedge issues (they often fail here to corral voters in the ways the right hopes because we are different countries). I see no other way to be a fighter in the good fight in the long term.

Best wishes.

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It is going to kill me but i'm going to take a break from the DU during the (Original Post) applegrove Jul 2020 OP
I thought that the border was closed. TexasTowelie Jul 2020 #1
I was talking about previous elections. My friend no longer works for the NDP. applegrove Jul 2020 #2
Okay, that was not clear from your OP. TexasTowelie Jul 2020 #9
Yes. I agree. applegrove Jul 2020 #10
Please note that my comment wasn't meant as anything personal against you. TexasTowelie Jul 2020 #14
I hear you. I will have to bite my tongue here. And post in canada on my canadian applegrove Jul 2020 #17
I enjoy your posts and will truly miss your valuable input and perspective. nt WePurrsevere Jul 2020 #3
Thank you but it has to be done. I will be lurking. DU is such a great place. nt applegrove Jul 2020 #7
Nooo! Don't go! The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #4
You kidding? You keep me engaged in the world. nt applegrove Jul 2020 #8
I've always loved the viewpoints of every single person, no matter what their background or ... SWBTATTReg Jul 2020 #18
just stay in the Lounge! Kali Jul 2020 #5
That's a plan. applegrove Jul 2020 #6
do it! Kali Jul 2020 #13
You are sweet. I'll be on canadian websites. That will keep me engaged. applegrove Jul 2020 #16
Could you hang out in the lounge? Niagara Jul 2020 #11
I will visit the lounge. applegrove Jul 2020 #12
Yes! Great choice. Niagara Jul 2020 #15
Looking forward to hearing from you in 100 days. Hopefully we will all have something to celebrate! Tech Jul 2020 #19
Absolutely. applegrove Jul 2020 #20
I have good and important news for you DFW Jul 2020 #21
I know i'll want to yell and scream at the DU when the trolls come (came). It is applegrove Jul 2020 #22
I'll miss you, too - I enjoy your posts and comments Rhiannon12866 Jul 2020 #23
You are very kind. I'll be lurking and hosting and lounging a bit. nt applegrove Jul 2020 #24
Oh, you're a host now! Good choice! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2020 #25
Thanks. Love your stuff too. Thankfully i'll be able to see it all when I lurk. nt applegrove Jul 2020 #26

TexasTowelie

(112,217 posts)
1. I thought that the border was closed.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:38 PM
Jul 2020

How are your friends getting inside the US and how are they getting back home to Canada?

applegrove

(118,674 posts)
2. I was talking about previous elections. My friend no longer works for the NDP.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:42 PM
Jul 2020

The other friend i am not in touch with. I said "American elections". Sorry if i was vague.

TexasTowelie

(112,217 posts)
9. Okay, that was not clear from your OP.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:51 PM
Jul 2020

I agree that it might be a good idea to take a break. It seems somewhat hypocritical to complain about Russia/China/etc. interfering in our elections with foreigners posting on social media promoting Republicans when there are foreigners posting on social media promoting Democrats. While I view the interference by Russia and China as nefarious, our political opponents could make the same claim about influencing elections even though I have always viewed Canada as an ally. It doesn't seem like a great idea to provide Republicans a talking point that could result in American backlash against Canada.

TexasTowelie

(112,217 posts)
14. Please note that my comment wasn't meant as anything personal against you.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 05:02 PM
Jul 2020

I don't know you, but I do read your OPs and I'm usually in agreement with you or the authors of the OPs that you post.

I do hope that you continue to post about other news and also provide a Canadian perspective on issues, but it makes it difficult to condemn the outside influence in our election process if someone else can point out that our side is doing the same thing.

applegrove

(118,674 posts)
17. I hear you. I will have to bite my tongue here. And post in canada on my canadian
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 05:09 PM
Jul 2020

take on US issues. Thank you.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
4. Nooo! Don't go!
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:47 PM
Jul 2020

I really enjoy reading your posts and contributing to the maintenance of our sanity! We'll miss you!

SWBTATTReg

(22,129 posts)
18. I've always loved the viewpoints of every single person, no matter what their background or ...
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 05:20 PM
Jul 2020

nationality.

Other countries interfering such as perhaps China, the UAE, and Russia among a few ID'ed, is nefarious especially when they do it under the table and try to swag elections one way or the other (to their benefit of course). Personally, I think most interference attempts are usually way too small in scale to really make an impact, although some may disagree w/ me. Maybe on some local scale it may make an impact but still not much.

I found that most interference attempts have been rank and file republicans trying to unduly influence their local elections (last 5-10 articles I've read recently). I laugh sadly because the party that is accusing the democratic party of interference in voting, etc. in elections has been the culprit in election interference, not the Democratic Party.

Personally, IMHO, if they did it openly (not the undue influencing or blatant attempts to modify votes, etc., like the Russians did in 2016) by remarking why they'd prefer a certain candidate over others, this would be far more honest, engaging, and upcoming, in my mind.

Also, I suspect that most overseas persons/countries are far more concerned about their own lives, issues, and their own nations and aren't obsessive about America and American politics.

Of course the danger is that when those entities hostile to American values and hostile to the American sense of justice (our effects against the mafia here in the US vs. the mafia interests in Russia (and rump being buddies w/ some in the Russian mafia)) start being
nefarious and doing harm to the average American voter, by making our votes worth less, by discounting those votes, by losing those votes, by passing restrictive measures on voters, etc. (like the Putin dictatorship has in Russia has done).

Americans do have a long memory. They will remember blatant interference efforts by other nationalities and they will remember these attempts for a while too. I think, from what I've read, on some state elections, that they have beefed up their security efforts and they've tested their voting processes and voting machines far more than what I've previously seen in the past. So I feel relatively safe w/ our next voting efforts that will come up (in August for some, in Nov. 2020 for all of us).

applegrove

(118,674 posts)
16. You are sweet. I'll be on canadian websites. That will keep me engaged.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 05:05 PM
Jul 2020

I do find it hard to watch Trump. I turn to canadian tv at 9PM. That won't change. I'm a junkie.

Niagara

(7,620 posts)
11. Could you hang out in the lounge?
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:52 PM
Jul 2020

I can't blame you at this moment for wanting to take a break in the GD.



I've been lounging a lot here.

DFW

(54,397 posts)
21. I have good and important news for you
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 03:10 AM
Jul 2020

Recent medical breakthroughs have made it possible for you to do this without it killing you.

I knew you’d be excited to find out.

applegrove

(118,674 posts)
22. I know i'll want to yell and scream at the DU when the trolls come (came). It is
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 03:30 AM
Jul 2020

just an expression about not being able to express something when you want and need to.

Rhiannon12866

(205,428 posts)
23. I'll miss you, too - I enjoy your posts and comments
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 04:05 AM
Jul 2020

And you have a better take on American politics than many Americans do - we know who I'm talking about. Take care of yourself and don't be a stranger...

Rhiannon12866

(205,428 posts)
25. Oh, you're a host now! Good choice!
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 04:10 AM
Jul 2020

We desperately need more good hosts and you're supremely qualified! I'll still miss your posts, but I'll keep an eye out in The Lounge...

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