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Squinch

(51,014 posts)
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 07:19 AM Aug 2020

Handy people, can you help with a doorknob problem?

I feel like there must be some simple solution to this problem, but I can't find it.

I have a closet with the original old brass doorknob (like 100 years old). Something has broken and the doorknob no longer moves the bolt. I can't open the door.

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There are no visible screws on the outside. When I look at my other closets with the same kind of doorknob, the screws all seem to be on the inside. As you can see, I thought that ridge on the stem was a sleeve of some kind hiding the screws and I tried to pop it up, but I can't get it to separate from the knob, so I'm not sure if it's supposed to. So then I tried threading a wire through to see if I can slide the bolt that way, but it only catches on the flat part of the bolt.

Anyone ever have this problem? What was your solution? I am sure this is a common doorknob type. I am thinking I'll have to take the door off, but I'd prefer not to if I don't have to.

Any help would be appreciated! My coffee stash is in there!

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Handy people, can you help with a doorknob problem? (Original Post) Squinch Aug 2020 OP
My first thought is to take a hammer and pound it through. Croney Aug 2020 #1
You mean just pound the doorknob off? I'm willing to sacrifice the knob. Squinch Aug 2020 #3
You can try this: Rincewind Aug 2020 #2
So push the door so the bolt slips off? Didn't think of that. Squinch Aug 2020 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Aug 2020 #5
yeah. i was thinking the hinges. least destruction. pansypoo53219 Aug 2020 #9
We just had to do this with an old door. Very easy to remove the hinge pins and take the door off. OregonBlue Aug 2020 #40
Yeah, this idea seems best. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #11
Thank you! I am thinking this is the way to go. Squinch Aug 2020 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Aug 2020 #20
I had to get matching knobs once before. They're pretty common, so that'll be OK. Squinch Aug 2020 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Aug 2020 #42
Pull the pins on the hinges, then try to remove the door by prying at the hinge side of the door. magicarpet Aug 2020 #6
Try taking an old credit card or maybe a spatula to the gap. iscooterliberally Aug 2020 #7
I did this, and also tried with a bendable piece of plastic. But the slope of the bolt goes the Squinch Aug 2020 #19
Actually that's not weird considering the way the door swings. iscooterliberally Aug 2020 #41
If you remove the pins from the hinges you should be able to get to door off maxrandb Aug 2020 #8
I'd probably use a couple butter knives. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #10
Found this soothsayer Aug 2020 #12
And this soothsayer Aug 2020 #13
Problem is, on this one there is no slot. Sadly. But thank you. Squinch Aug 2020 #21
Boo! Sorry soothsayer Aug 2020 #35
Invent time machine. Travel back to installation of door knob. Tell dimwits: "screws on outside!" struggle4progress Aug 2020 #14
Lol! Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #15
Lolol! Honestly, I would really like to go back to the guys that built this building and tell Squinch Aug 2020 #22
In my experience, it's usually not too hard to take a door off hinges and put it back on struggle4progress Aug 2020 #27
My whole self cringed at the thought of that. Glad it did not do permanent damage. Squinch Aug 2020 #29
Sweeping dust off junk-laden shelves in an old basement. Tiny tiny tiny sliver. struggle4progress Aug 2020 #33
Good you want to a place with the fancy microscope. It really sounds horrible. Squinch Aug 2020 #34
Hold on before you go all destro Historic NY Aug 2020 #16
Check the bottom to see if there's a tiny screw. blueinredohio Aug 2020 #18
Lol! At your suggestion, I got a really bright flashlight and looked again for the pin. Squinch Aug 2020 #28
Now that was funny. Thanks for the laugh but sorry it didn't work. blueinredohio Aug 2020 #39
Thank you, thank you, thank you all! I think the hinges are the way to go. I was Squinch Aug 2020 #23
Look at the front of the knob... Newest Reality Aug 2020 #24
Oh, interesting! I'll try it. Squinch Aug 2020 #25
No. It appears to be just decorative. But good idea! Thank you. Squinch Aug 2020 #26
Oh darn! Newest Reality Aug 2020 #30
Thank you everyone! I'm going to wait till 10 to be nice to my neighbors and take it off the Squinch Aug 2020 #31
Good luck! Old doorknobs are cool and fun to take apart soothsayer Aug 2020 #36
Is there a tiny hole is knob sleeve on bottom? randr Aug 2020 #37
Thanks! Squinch Aug 2020 #38
Do you have a cat? Ahpook Aug 2020 #43
As a kid I had a pet raccoon that could open any door in the house.... lastlib Aug 2020 #44
in reverse order of assembly onethatcares Aug 2020 #45

Rincewind

(1,205 posts)
2. You can try this:
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 07:28 AM
Aug 2020

Take a flat bar, and try to pry the door and the jam apart. The bolt isn't very long, so you might be able to do it. I had to do this to my front door years ago when the key broke off in the lock.

Squinch

(51,014 posts)
4. So push the door so the bolt slips off? Didn't think of that.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 07:33 AM
Aug 2020

Just checked and it looks like the other side of the door is pretty tight. But I have some shims. I'll try this when my downstairs neighbors are up and let you know if it worked. Thanks!

Response to Squinch (Original post)

Response to Squinch (Reply #17)

Squinch

(51,014 posts)
32. I had to get matching knobs once before. They're pretty common, so that'll be OK.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:36 AM
Aug 2020

And thanks for the warning on the weight. I probably wouldn't have thought of that.

Response to Squinch (Reply #32)

magicarpet

(14,174 posts)
6. Pull the pins on the hinges, then try to remove the door by prying at the hinge side of the door.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 07:37 AM
Aug 2020

Once open repair the door knob or replace.

iscooterliberally

(2,863 posts)
7. Try taking an old credit card or maybe a spatula to the gap.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 07:37 AM
Aug 2020

Slide it down and see if you can push the bolt back into the door and pop it open. That should do the least damage if you can make it work. Once the door is open, change out the door knob and all the parts inside.

Squinch

(51,014 posts)
19. I did this, and also tried with a bendable piece of plastic. But the slope of the bolt goes the
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:12 AM
Aug 2020

other way. It's flat on my side.

My building is very, very weirdly constructed. Some things are genius. Some are just a total pain!

But thank you!

iscooterliberally

(2,863 posts)
41. Actually that's not weird considering the way the door swings.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:35 AM
Aug 2020

Sometimes this trick works and sometimes it doesn’t. I was hoping to save you all the work of removing the bolts from the hinges, which is a real pain. I hope you can get to your coffee soon!

maxrandb

(15,357 posts)
8. If you remove the pins from the hinges you should be able to get to door off
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 07:41 AM
Aug 2020

then you can get to the screws to fix or change out the doornob and lock mechanism.

Just start with the middle hinge. A Phillips Screwdriver our large nail and hammer can be used to remove the pins from the hinges.

I always remove the hinges in this order, middle, bottom, top.

You might have to use a prybar or flat screwdriver to loosen the door, but once the hinges are off, it should come right out.

For interior doors, I always install the doorknob with the screw access on the outside because this has happened to me before.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,857 posts)
10. I'd probably use a couple butter knives.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 07:43 AM
Aug 2020

Use one of them to "grab" the bolt near the jam and wiggle it out, and the other one to hold it in place so it doesn't keep slipping back in.

It never happened to me, so...

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
12. Found this
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 07:47 AM
Aug 2020
https://www.allaboutdoors.com/video-how-to-remove-a-doorknob-with-no-visible-screws

VIDEO: HOW TO REMOVE A DOORKNOB WITH NO VISIBLE SCREWS

VIDEO: How to Remove a Doorknob with No Visible Screws

Many door handles have visible screws on the trim plate on one side of the door. Simply unscrew these screws, unscrew the latch from the door edge, and remove all the pieces.

If you can't see any screws, don't worry, they're there. But you'll have to take the knob off first.

There should be a small latch near the base of the knob or handle, probably on the exterior side of the door.
Push this latch in, and pull the handle off the door.
Next, find a small slot on the edge of the trim piece. Insert the tip of a screwdriver and pry off the trim piece.
how to remove a door knob

struggle4progress

(118,348 posts)
14. Invent time machine. Travel back to installation of door knob. Tell dimwits: "screws on outside!"
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 07:49 AM
Aug 2020

Pop open a cold frosty and relax, admiring elegance of this simple solution. Being troubled by time travel paradoxes only means it's time for another cold frosty

Squinch

(51,014 posts)
22. Lolol! Honestly, I would really like to go back to the guys that built this building and tell
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:15 AM
Aug 2020

them a few things. Some stuff they did great! Like they wired all the apartments so that they have two sources. So if there's a blackout you seldom lose full power. Genius! But then they did stuff like this.

However, it is a hundred years later. I suppose I can't complain about the lasting power of their work.

struggle4progress

(118,348 posts)
27. In my experience, it's usually not too hard to take a door off hinges and put it back on
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:26 AM
Aug 2020

I'd try that if some gentle prybar action doesn't do the trick. If off-hinges doesn't work for some reason, I'd partly reinsert the pins and try to saw off the doorknob to see if the bolt can be jiggled enough for off-hinges to succeed: but do wear safety goggles: I once got a tiny splinter of brass in my eye, and although it did no real damage, the ER visit sucked up about six hours, during most of which I was in excruciating pain, until Dr Steady Hands found it and plucked it out

struggle4progress

(118,348 posts)
33. Sweeping dust off junk-laden shelves in an old basement. Tiny tiny tiny sliver.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:44 AM
Aug 2020

From some sawed piece of metal that got tossed on the shelf without being rinsed or wiped first, I'd guess. Repeated rinsing didn't work. Doc numbed my eye, couldn't find the problem, got some fancy strap-on microscope and fluorescent dye, looked and immediately said "Oh, there it is" and that was that. Worst thing was the before hours of keeping my arms down and my fists clenched so I didn't rub my eye and grind it in

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
16. Hold on before you go all destro
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 07:59 AM
Aug 2020

is that the hinge for the door to the left? If so knock out the pins and then loosen it off the hinge. You make have to cut or scrape the paint to loosen it.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
18. Check the bottom to see if there's a tiny screw.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:11 AM
Aug 2020

If so you will need an allen wrench to get it out then your doorknob should come off.

Squinch

(51,014 posts)
28. Lol! At your suggestion, I got a really bright flashlight and looked again for the pin.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:28 AM
Aug 2020

Got all excited, and thought I found it, but it turned out to just be dirt.

But thank you. It was worth the try.

Squinch

(51,014 posts)
23. Thank you, thank you, thank you all! I think the hinges are the way to go. I was
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:18 AM
Aug 2020

not sure if there was some "doh!" solution to the doorknob, but it appears there is not. So I feel better going for the pins.

I'm waiting for a decent hour for my downstairs neighbors and then I'll get to it.

I'll report back once it's done.

Thank you all for your advice. I've learned a lot and you have helped me come up with the solution.

Mwah to all of you!

PS: Aren't you excited about Kamala?

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
24. Look at the front of the knob...
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:20 AM
Aug 2020

See the slight dome with a dark edge? Check with a screwdriver to see if it is a cap and try to pop it off. A thin flat head should be able to get into the groove and pry it.

If that is a cap, there should be one on each side and that should reveal the nut/bolt that holds it to the door.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
30. Oh darn!
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:32 AM
Aug 2020

I thought that might be it. I've come across knobs that are like that.

You're welcome. Good luck with that odd knob there.

Squinch

(51,014 posts)
31. Thank you everyone! I'm going to wait till 10 to be nice to my neighbors and take it off the
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:32 AM
Aug 2020

hinges. I'll report back on how it went.

Thanks to everyone.

randr

(12,415 posts)
37. Is there a tiny hole is knob sleeve on bottom?
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:59 AM
Aug 2020

A paper clip can be used to push in hidden pin to release knob and expose opening mechanism. If it is as old as you suspect this will not work and you are lucky the hinges are exposed. Good luck!

Ahpook

(2,751 posts)
43. Do you have a cat?
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:02 PM
Aug 2020

They are very decent problem solvers in this capacity.

We had a dog that was very witty and nicknamed him Houdini. He understood the function of a doorknob, but couldn't quite turn it. Occasionally he would get it!

Just making fun! Hope you get it fixed

lastlib

(23,287 posts)
44. As a kid I had a pet raccoon that could open any door in the house....
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:51 PM
Aug 2020

(we joked that he must've had his own key set.....)

But it was a very old farmhouse, and none of the doors actually locked! (out there in the toolies in those days, nobody locked doors anyway; nobody worried about thefts, and, hell--we didn't have anything worth stealing anyway (except the raccoon.))

onethatcares

(16,185 posts)
45. in reverse order of assembly
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:59 AM
Aug 2020

look on the bottom side of the knob where it goes into the estrucheon plate. There should be an indent or a pin that goes into the knob. if it's a pin use a paper clip or small screwdriver to push the pin into the knob while pulling out on the knob. it should seperate, then look for a cut out slot on the door knob estrucheon plate, insert a small screwdriver into that slot and pop the plate off to expose the screws.

I think you'll find that the spring has broken on the striker. or the old pot metal has broken. .

Replace as possible.

You also need to put an oversize estrucheon plate behind that knob, the door is getting chewed up and that will lead to more $$ spent on an easy repair.

To pop the door open, use a nut pick between the door and jamb at the striker and work the bolt back. You might need two picks.

The disassembly may also have to be done from the inside part of the latch instead of the exterior side. Check the other existing latches and good luck. If you'll fly me in from west central floriduh I'd be glad to only charge $65.00 to repair that.

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