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Fictitious villains we love to hate? (Original Post) GreenPartyVoter Jun 2012 OP
My entry... Archae Jun 2012 #1
Sadly, my 12 yo son said that this doesn't count because for half the movies he was a good guy. GreenPartyVoter Jun 2012 #6
Tell him he was a rotten jerk starting in the "Attack Of The Clones" movie. Archae Jun 2012 #15
Lucas should have left Vader's redemption ambiguous DerekG Jun 2012 #52
Got one (kind of a no-brainer)... pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #2
Dolores... rrneck Jun 2012 #3
Umbridge always reminded me of Laura Bush. Aristus Jun 2012 #7
JK Rowling has always said the only character she based on a real person was Gilderoy Lockhart nxylas Jun 2012 #49
OMG, too right! nt emmadoggy Jun 2012 #53
I wouldn't be a bit surprised. nt rrneck Jun 2012 #59
Totally agree. But have to also emmadoggy Jun 2012 #54
Mr. Potter pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #4
I thought this guy would be here already. baldguy Jun 2012 #5
"HELLO-O-O-O!?!?!" Aristus Jun 2012 #8
He looks better covered in manure. Son of Gob Jun 2012 #65
How could we forget... pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #9
Another real evildoer... pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #10
Percy Wetmore...perfect name for a FREAK! alphafemale Jun 2012 #11
Not to quibble, but he was born in 1960. geardaddy Jun 2012 #39
Oooohhhhh, yes, I hated him! nt emmadoggy Jun 2012 #55
And from '2001: A Space Odyssey'... pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #12
HAL wasn't the villain of 2001. Aristus Jun 2012 #75
"I'll burn the heart out of you!" Staph Jun 2012 #13
Beat me to it HarveyDarkey Jun 2012 #30
Gordon Gekko Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #14
Al Swearengen aikoaiko Jun 2012 #16
I thought Al's arc was brilliant RZM Jun 2012 #32
I never hated Swearengen. In fact I kind of had a crush. nolabear Jun 2012 #46
Well, bad boys certainly have their attractive qualities. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #56
I object to Al being considered the villian. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #76
Maybe I answered this thread incorrectly. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #92
Hmmm.. I guess the debate is antagonist vs villain. I would say all villains are GreenPartyVoter Jun 2012 #98
Al was a secret softy. BlueIris Jun 2012 #79
Call It, Friendo Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #17
My Precious Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #18
My Pretty Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #19
Cruella DeVille Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #20
"I'll be back". bluesbassman Jun 2012 #21
He was only a villain in the first movie. sakabatou Jun 2012 #70
Grendel from 'Beowulf' pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #22
Bad dudes. OnyxCollie Jun 2012 #23
Another villain I loved to hate from that second movie NewJeffCT Jun 2012 #33
You know, Burke, OnyxCollie Jun 2012 #42
What do you got against Paul Buchman? baldguy Jun 2012 #106
Spot on with Frank Booth. geardaddy Jun 2012 #38
Gus Fring JonLP24 Jun 2012 #24
This woman sharp_stick Jun 2012 #25
Excellent ! yesphan Jun 2012 #35
From the classic... ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #26
The Tall Man Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #27
The greatest villain(ess) of all... Glorfindel Jun 2012 #28
KHAAAAAN! ohiosmith Jun 2012 #29
Lots to choose from, but this character takes the cake for me RZM Jun 2012 #31
On the subject of annoying female pains in the ass, Zavulon Jun 2012 #36
George Heasrt yesphan Jun 2012 #34
Gus Fring yesphan Jun 2012 #37
Her geardaddy Jun 2012 #40
The Cigarette Man is a good choice. You just know that somewhere in the bowels of Skidmore Jun 2012 #41
Multiple copies, to be sure! GreenPartyVoter Jun 2012 #97
One more. OnyxCollie Jun 2012 #43
Gary Oldman plays great villains geardaddy Jun 2012 #44
No kidding Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #47
GWB. Oh, wait, that wasn't fiction. nt raccoon Jun 2012 #45
Why so serious? Initech Jun 2012 #48
Hey McFly!!!! Are you CHICKEN???? Initech Jun 2012 #50
To this day, my brother & I still use the line NewJeffCT Jun 2012 #81
Another movie one GreenPartyVoter Jun 2012 #51
Yes. geardaddy Jun 2012 #57
I really loved hating him in McCoys and Hatfields graywarrior Jun 2012 #58
I thought of Perry Cline before I saw you put up Jim Vance. MightyMopar Jun 2012 #73
Ronan Vibert played that role well. graywarrior Jun 2012 #105
Three for the Price of One Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #60
SCAR! Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #61
Shere Khan Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #62
Another cinematic antagonist to loathe... GreenPartyVoter Jun 2012 #63
How about this guy - Arkansas Granny Jun 2012 #64
Shooter McGavin Son of Gob Jun 2012 #66
King Joffrey. nt Chef Eric Jun 2012 #67
You'll probably enjoy this video NewJeffCT Jun 2012 #82
Awesome! King BieberHair is one of the most slapworthy people on TV. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #101
Good fun. Thanks. nt Chef Eric Jun 2012 #107
We must not forget Dr. Evil. Denninmi Jun 2012 #68
all he wants is some sharks with frickin' laser beams NewJeffCT Jun 2012 #83
They always blew my eardrums out. svpadgham Jun 2012 #69
Because a plunger and a metal whisk are made of pure evil. sakabatou Jun 2012 #71
Perhaps you need to mellow out a bit sharp_stick Jun 2012 #94
Katherine Harris OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #72
I always picture her ageing badly, like Baby Jane lunatica Jun 2012 #84
Satan Xipe Totec Jun 2012 #74
Colonel Flagg Skittles Jun 2012 #77
+1000 OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #89
Gny. Sgt. Hartman. OnyxCollie Jun 2012 #78
Who would win in a cage match, him or Sgt Barnes from "Platoon?" GreenPartyVoter Jun 2012 #90
I don't know who would win, OnyxCollie Jun 2012 #91
Yes, you are right there! GreenPartyVoter Jun 2012 #95
Every backstabbing middle management s.o.b. in one cunning package sarge43 Jun 2012 #80
Baby Jane lunatica Jun 2012 #85
al Qaeda (nt) harmonicon Jun 2012 #86
Colonel Tavlington in "The Patriot" DFW Jun 2012 #87
Tuco...."the good the bad and the ugly" rppper Jun 2012 #88
From a reality series....Survivor aikoaiko Jun 2012 #93
Another reality series one... GreenPartyVoter Jun 2012 #99
Another TV one that I loathed GreenPartyVoter Jun 2012 #96
No Hans Gruber yet? fifthoffive Jun 2012 #100
I still think that's his best character NewJeffCT Jun 2012 #103
For all intents and purposes, this guy is a fictitious, villianous personality Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #102
the fascist murderer in "Rope" Enrique Jun 2012 #104

GreenPartyVoter

(72,378 posts)
6. Sadly, my 12 yo son said that this doesn't count because for half the movies he was a good guy.
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:29 PM
Jun 2012

I dropped the ball somewhere along the way....

Archae

(46,337 posts)
15. Tell him he was a rotten jerk starting in the "Attack Of The Clones" movie.
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 11:46 PM
Jun 2012

When he slaughtered that entire village of Sandpeople, including their women and kids.

I always have considered Darth Vader's "redemption" in "Return Of The Jedi" to be too fake.

I mean, even before he puts on the armor, he slaughters little kids.
Tries to kill his own pregnant wife.

He chokes a guy to death.
Chokes another almost to death.
Tortures a woman, personally.
Helps in the death of BILLIONS when Alderaan is blown up.
Lies to a city administrator.
Cuts the hand off his own kid.

And we're supposed to accept that now he's a good guy who's become "One with the Force?"
Nope.

DerekG

(2,935 posts)
52. Lucas should have left Vader's redemption ambiguous
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:08 PM
Jun 2012

It would have been cool if we were left to wonder whether Vader got his angel wings, but sadly, Lucas explicitly showed Anakin smiling in the last minute of Return of the Jedi.

Apparently, a war criminal can get past the pearly gates so long as he saves his own kid.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
49. JK Rowling has always said the only character she based on a real person was Gilderoy Lockhart
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 04:36 PM
Jun 2012

Whether Imelda Staunton based her wonderful performance on Pickles is another matter.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
11. Percy Wetmore...perfect name for a FREAK!
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 11:21 PM
Jun 2012


And the actual guy is a 16 year old girl marrying freak when he was 60 too. ick

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
39. Not to quibble, but he was born in 1960.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 03:05 PM
Jun 2012

Even though he hasn't reached 60 yet, it's still gross that he married a 16-year-old.

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
75. HAL wasn't the villain of 2001.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 12:29 AM
Jun 2012

He was the hero.

A tragic hero. Watch the movie again with that in mind. You may see it in a different way...

Staph

(6,251 posts)
13. "I'll burn the heart out of you!"
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 11:39 PM
Jun 2012



Moriarty, played by Andrew Scott in the BBC's Sherlock, is creepy and brilliant and seriously psychotic! Delicious!


aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
16. Al Swearengen
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:22 AM
Jun 2012


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Al Swearengen: Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
32. I thought Al's arc was brilliant
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:41 PM
Jun 2012

He started off as a straight-up villain. But the more you got to know him, the more you realized he was just as capable of being the protagonist. By the end of the show, that's pretty much what he was. Amazing character development.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
76. I object to Al being considered the villian.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 02:12 AM
Jun 2012

And hated? Never!

Swearengen was the dad in the series. Sometimes hard yes but more often fair and even loving in his own way.

Tolliver was straight up evil even if he had some affection for Joanie. He was the villain.......until Hearst showed up.

Swearengen is my favorite character from any series ever.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
92. Maybe I answered this thread incorrectly.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:19 AM
Jun 2012

I love the Swearengen character but I also found much of his behavior despicable.

The best villains are one with great pathos and I think Swearengen is full of pathos.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,378 posts)
98. Hmmm.. I guess the debate is antagonist vs villain. I would say all villains are
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:44 AM
Jun 2012

antagonists but not all antagonists are villains, I guess?

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
79. Al was a secret softy.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 05:23 AM
Jun 2012

Remember when he comforted the prostitute who thought she'd been exposed to small pox? That was classic.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
33. Another villain I loved to hate from that second movie
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:49 PM
Jun 2012


This installation has a substantial dollar value attached to it...



 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
42. You know, Burke,
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 03:42 PM
Jun 2012

I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage.

 

Zavulon

(5,639 posts)
36. On the subject of annoying female pains in the ass,
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:54 PM
Jun 2012

we have Daphne's mother on Frasier...



...who is, at least as of this writing, the most reprehensible bitch of a TV character I can think of.

yesphan

(1,588 posts)
34. George Heasrt
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:49 PM
Jun 2012

Although he really existed, the characterization given in Deadwood made it easy
to hate the c&^# sucker !

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
41. The Cigarette Man is a good choice. You just know that somewhere in the bowels of
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 03:22 PM
Jun 2012

the Pentagon there is someone like him skulking about.

 

MightyMopar

(735 posts)
73. I thought of Perry Cline before I saw you put up Jim Vance.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:08 PM
Jun 2012

I thought of Perry Cline before I saw you put up Jim Vance. He made me want to spit at the TV. Ultimately I chose Raynald of Chatillon from Ridley Scott's "King of Heaven". Truly a venal character very Dick Cheneylike.

Son of Gob

(1,502 posts)
66. Shooter McGavin
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:55 PM
Jun 2012


Shooter McGavin: I eat pieces of s**t like you for breakfast.
Happy Gilmore: [laughing] you eat pieces of s**t for breakfast?
Shooter McGavin: No... I...

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
101. Awesome! King BieberHair is one of the most slapworthy people on TV.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 01:05 PM
Jun 2012

(However, the number one slapworthy person on TV is and will always be Sean Hannity. The mere sight of his face and sound of his whiny little voice makes me want to jump through the TV to give him a giant bitch slap.)

Not having read the Martin books, I was hoping he wouldn't be killed off too soon, just because I like hating the guy so much.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
84. I always picture her ageing badly, like Baby Jane
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 07:27 AM
Jun 2012

She a real life villainess. After doing the Bush family bidding they sure tossed her aside though.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
91. I don't know who would win,
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:24 AM
Jun 2012

but Gny. Sgt. Hartman would have better trash talk.

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Are you quitting on me? Well, are you? Then quit, you slimy fucking walrus-looking piece of shit! Get the fuck off of my obstacle! Get the fuck down off of my obstacle! NOW! MOVE IT! Or I'm going to rip your balls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world! I will motivate you, Private Pyle, IF IT SHORT-DICKS EVERY CANNIBAL ON THE CONGO!

DFW

(54,408 posts)
87. Colonel Tavlington in "The Patriot"
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 08:18 AM
Jun 2012

Portrayed by Jason Isaacs

Evil perfectly personified. Sort of an 18th Century Joe Arpaio mixed with Jan Brewer and Scott Walker.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
93. From a reality series....Survivor
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:30 AM
Jun 2012

My two favorite villains who I truly despise but respect how well they manipulated people in a game. I hate them so much I really don't want to publicly give them credit.

Johnny Fairplay (Survivor: Pearl Islands, 2003)
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Jeff Probst was correct that Fairplay set-up and told the greatest lie in Survivor history (even nearly a decade later), but Fairplay was also wicked good at breaking up alliances by peeling off the weakest link and changing their votes. No one lied or manipulated weak players better than Fairplay.

Russell Hantz
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Russell's ability to find hidden idols was fantastic, but his vile and nasty approach of voting off anyone who started to question him was truly amazing. It worked to intimidate several groups of people in different seasons. Russell's treatment of his nephew, however, was really repulsive. I'd like to believe it was a part of his tv persona, but the impact on the nephew was real.

I would shake the hands of these men, but damn they were good at being evil.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
102. For all intents and purposes, this guy is a fictitious, villianous personality
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jun 2012


Most likely half the stuff he says he probably doesn't believe. He was under the influence of substances for long periods of his show (and who knows, may still be). He intentionally creates a narcassitic personality for his own glorification ("talent on loan from God.&quot And he says outrageous things just to get attention and to have people talk about him.

So yes, I would call Rush Limbaugh the radio host "fictitious".
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