We are going into DST this weekend.

And who in their right mind wants an extra hour of 105 degrees.

Everyone is out in the the evenings. Very few people are up as early as you are. Just turn on your lights.

It's the evening light when I go to sleep. And hermetically sealing a room isn't a very good option.

light evenings. I think once I don't have to work anymore I will probably go to sleep around 2 or 3 am and wake up around 10 or 11 am. Those seem to be my natural hours. Sometimes earlier if I have had a busy day and if I can tear myself away from the computer, but even when I was a child I could never go to sleep early or wake up early.

For those of us who are not morning people, life has been torture because from school through our working lives we have always had to get up much earlier than our natural clocks were ready and it was the hardest thing we had to do all day. You don't know how lucky you are being a natural morning person.

I was an alcoholic and would close bars. So I would live on few hours of sleep and go to work hung over daily.

I didn't quit drinking until about 20 years ago. But by then my health was in bad shape. My diabetes and kidney disease is I'm sure, a direct result of this irresponsible phase of my life. And then, eight years ago, my daughter committed suicide.

When I thought I had maybe 2-3 years left, I found myself getting up at 3 am and going outside to feel the calmness and to see if there was any communication with my daughter in the afterlife. (There wasnt), This was all about 6-7 years ago and now that I have prostate cancer to boot, I think I have 5 years. Maybe more if I can keep the cancer in check. But I found myself liking the early morning hours. I now go to sleep about 8 or 9 o'clock. And strangely, I feel at peace with the world and am ready to move on.

I had no idea. My heart breaks for you. I would have never had been so contentious had I known your story.

I shouldn't be like that anyway, but sometimes I just get so defensive about my minority position I go overboard. I am so sorry if I have offended you.

My heart goes out to you and I wish you and your family all the best. I have struggled with alcohol myself and have only recently gotten sober again so I know how hard it is. It really messes up your sleep cycles, but mine have always been terrible. Sometimes I think that is why I started or continued to drink (I was a functional wine drinker in the evenings, whatever functional is, ).

Anyway, I congratulate you on your sobriety and I hope to have your success one day.

Or if you did, I'm too stupid to notice.

I am at peace with everything now, even her suicide. Thank you for your reply as I can tell it is sincere.
And you have a great life.

I wish you all the peace in the world.

Your last paragraph describes how I've been forced to live most of my life, and like you describe, it was very difficult. Most of the time, I never felt rested. Even when I managed to get "enough" sleep, I was still TIRED. I dragged all day until afternoon, then I started to perk up. I think one of the worst parts was being made to feel like there was something innately WRONG with me.

I was also the same as a child. My momma said that I "fought sleep" as a baby.

I am now semi-retired and do not HAVE to get up at the crack of dawn to go to work. I work from home and can choose when I work, so decided to let my natural circadian rhythms do what they will... and the result is pretty much what you described.

I don't dislike daytime. I LIKE being able to get a bit more light during DST, and I dread the return to standard time. My whole self--body, mind, and spirit--feels more relaxed when it stays light a little later.

However, I very much enjoy the deep of the night as well. I need it. The peace and quiet of 3am is much the same for me as it is for those who wake at 4am. I just prefer it before I sleep.

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we are the ones who have always had to suffer for it. And I mean suffer, because it has basically been torture my entire life to have to get up early in the morning to get to school or work in time, or be looked at as delinquent or lazy. Why should we be penalized for our own natural tendencies?

I would give anything to be retired and never have to use an alarm clock again. In fact, I would probably go to bed and get up earlier (only by a little bit) just because I think part of the reason I stay up so late is just spite sometimes. I am still a child in a lot of ways.

You and I have similar circadian rhythms and seem to follow the same patterns. Getting up for work in the morning used to be hell every day. While I can function in the morning, it's just a case of going through the motions until my energy kicks in around noon. The night was just as bad - going to bed at a "reasonable" time was worthless because my natural rhythm wouldn't let me fall asleep and I'd lie awake for hours. My best time starts early evening and continues to about 3:00 a.m.

I know you have a way to go until you meet that magic day when there is no bossman to dictate your life and time, but mark it on your future calendar and revel in the anticipation. You won't be disappointed.

to show up for a pre-Noon meeting, I am still not really "with-it". I am much more on the ball and productive in the afternoon and my sleep/wake cycle pretty much mirrors yours. I have tried to change it from time to time, but it's never worked. I think we just have to accept that this is the way we are wired and there isn't much we can or should do about it!

always reluctant to go to bed and then reluctant to get up early for school.

As an adult, I learned that I can also get by on less sleep than most people. 6 hours are good for me. More than that is too much. Less than that and I can function, but not as well as 6 hours.

Now that I am retired, I can stay up as late as I want and nap during the day if I feel like I need it.

It is natural for me to stay up late and get up around 8 or 9 am. So I love having more daylight time in summer. After the winter equinox each year, I start watching the sunsets to see them come later and later as I feel better and better about the gradually lengthening days.

and dark by 10 pm. And it's light that late only around the summer equinox. The rest of DST, it gets dark earlier than that.

What time do you go to bed?

But it really doesn't bother me anymore. It used to but now I can sleep in the light and with sound.

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but as a 12 hour night shift worker I get very tired of hearing people whine about a difference of one freaking hour

depresses me when I get out of work and it's pitch black at 4pm in the late fall, winter and early spring. It makes a difference to some of us who want to make the most of our time after work hours.

Living in Houston, it has to be December before I'm driving home in the dark. My first visit to Chicago on New Year's weekend, I was shocked to see the street lights coming on at 4 pm. I would not like that at all! Being closer to the equator, our DST isn't as extreme as folks farther north, and I do appreciate being able to enjoy the evenings when it's a tiny bit cooler.

depressing.

many people care for families who are all on different time schedules. So to them, one hour can make a hell of a difference.

what difference does it make what time it is

the real difference seems to be if there is more lightness or more darkness

Like it or not, people have to rely on schedules for work, school and other such things.

If time doesn't make a difference, can you go into work any time you feel like it? Does it make a difference if you are an hour late daily?

7am is 7am whether or not time changes

In California we voted to keep a permanent DST. It is now up to the Legislature to make that into law.

so, ONE hour on ONE day

I'll give you an example:
Thursday, they did some roofing replacements on three buildings near me - from 09:00AM to 4:00PM

that left me with 2.5 hours sleep, and then I worked ALL night

I ROUTINELY get three hours sleep in weekly lawn care days - try sleeping through WEED EATERS and LEAF BLOWERS

I will say it again: I DETEST the whining about ONE FREAKING HOUR.


over and *OUT*

Say that when you are 70 and have moderate cancer and kidney disease.

It really is nice being young. Enjoy it while you can and stop getting angry over others who dont share the same life as you.

Over and out is right. I have maybe 5 years. Maybe...

LOLOL

I'll give you a hint: I have worked in IT for 41 years, and I also served in the military

congrats

I did an advanced workout yesterday and ended up slithering out of bed sideways this afternoon

Some of us just can't wake up early for the life of us, no matter what time we go to bed. I have finally started to take sleeping pills (prescription) because melatonin and other OTC meds weren't working and I would go for nights with only a few hours of sleep and it was seriously affecting my health and my mood. I was a mess.

I needed something to help me fall asleep by at least 11 or midnight so that I could get up by 7:30 or 8am. One hour can make a huge difference to some of us. On weekends, if I have a bad week, I will pretty much have to sleep about 12 hours or more just to catch up. I just can't wake up.

We aren't WHINING! We have genuine sleep disorders and they seriously affect our lives. Try to be a little more compassionate.

FYI

people seem very delicate to me

over and out

I suspect it's the latter.

is having to be quiet all night for neighbors who routinely wake me up during the day

Somebody should have warned me when I was young that injuries never really heal... oh hell, of course they did, but I wasn't listening. I was Hunter the invincible.

Where I live it's the bloody sirens that bother me most. I can forgive the firetrucks and ambulances, but our local police seem to turn on their sirens for everything, like dogs marking their territories.

I admit to being a night owl, but that is not my only reason. It just makes more sense to me to have daylight extended during the leisure hours we spend with family and friends than during the hectic time we spend waking up, getting ready for work (or school), and rushing to work (or school).

Finally! Someone who makes me feel sane! I felt like such a minority. And I agree, it's not just being a night owl, but it's having that extra leisure time when MOST people are up and are able to socialize.

Who gets together at 4 or 5 am? It's the hours after work that are the times when most people get together and are social. I especially love the times of the year with outdoor cafes and being able to hang out in the parks without feeling threatened. Morning time is busy time/work time. It's not fun time!

I know that sounds counter, but it works for me. I'm retired so am not bound to the clock or a set schedule, and I strongly dislike mornings. My usual wake time is between 9:30 and 11:00 a.m., after getting to sleep around 3:00-4:00 a.m.

In addition, I'm pretty much a homebody, so getting cozy in my pajamas as it turns dark is a comfort...the earlier, the better, even though it's many hours to bedtime. I love my jammies!

Good poll, smirky!

I'm not a morning person, but due to work generally get up at 5:30. I do that every day because it's just less miserable to be consistent.

I like DST for many of the same reasons mentioned here. If I have to go to work, I don't give a damn that it's dark at the start of the day. But at the end of the day, when I take my dog for her long poop walk, I like to visit several of the neighbors. None of whom are out on their porches when it's dark. Even decades ago when I had a "normal" job, I thought it sucked that it was dark by 5 pm.

The only thing positive I can say about standard time is that on days when I don't have to leave the house, it is harder to get out of bed when it's dark. So I suppose that would make it easier to get up earlier. I just hope I can retire someday so that I can just get up when it's light no matter what time that is, and have light in the evenings.

cutting a piece off one end and tying it on the other. It is a dumb idea. It has been a dumb idea for more than a hundred years.


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than 99% of all in this OP thread.

I hate it getting dark at 2 to 3 PM during high winter, and it only gets worse the further North of Stockholm you go. Up in Norrbotten they go ages with no real sun to speak of.

altogether since you certainly don't need the extra light in the spring/summer months either.

I haven't been to Sweden, but I remember being in Ireland in the summer where it was light until about 9:30pm or later. It was great, but a little strange. I definitely don't get the point of switching the clocks in such high latitudes.

Pick one time and keep it!

The older I get the more time it takes for me to adjust to the time change twice/year. I don't care which one is chosen, but pick either standard or daylight savings and stick to it!

Clocks and money were humankind's worst inventions ever and will ultimately be the root cause of our extinction.

Personally, I can't sleep when it's bright outside and typically get out of bed an hour or two before dawn, paying little attention to the clock.

After our first child was born my wife worked in the day and I worked nights so we never had to put our children in daycare. It's not that we had anything against daycare, we simply couldn't afford it. I was never so tired in my life. It would take a few months to find some sort of sleep pattern that was comfortable and then the damned clocks would change and I'd curse all the "9 to 5" people who thought daylight savings time was a good idea.

It's the time change itself I loathe for the chaos it brings to the wold around me. Moving the clock forward and back literally kills people. It's a horrible thing to do.

to now grass etc etc. I still like it.

and thought of you. This is soooo true for both of us!

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