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Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 11:08 AM Aug 2012

When wall bangars turn fatal.

Yes, I'm sorry to say, it was a rape. Pupal rape, to be exact. The Long-Wing Zebra, the state butterfly for Florida, is well known to be over-aggressive to female butterflies. I read about it, but didn't witness it until recently. The males are so aggressive that they try to impregnate the female before it even comes out of the chrysalis. I've seen pictures where two males hang on each side of the chrysalis, just waiting for the female to emerge enough to do the dirty deed. Unfortunately, some don't wait and break through the shell. Some butterfly enthusiast even claim they know which one will win depending on what side they take up.

Well, for three days I saw this one section of the wall constantly attracting the attention of two butterflies. One would have their wings open wide as if to protect the chrysalis from the attacking butterfly. I had a feeling that the chrysalis formed too out in the open, on too hard of a surface and that I should take it down, but, this thing they do, as they emerge from the chrysalis, doesn't take too kindly to outside meddling, as I learned when I manipulated one for a better photographic shot.

Anyway, I checked on it today, hoping to find an empty chrysalis. What I found was a black tarry body with what looked like a head and antennae. So, sad and gross. But, it just goes to show you that nature doesn't get it right either.


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When wall bangars turn fatal. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 OP
Isn't the rape victim a moth? It's hard to tell, but it looks like one. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #1
Nope. That brown thing is the top of the chrysalis. Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 #2
Weird to call it rape Guldsmed Sep 2012 #3
She doesn't have a choice in the way it all evolves. It's her body that is following Baitball Blogger Sep 2012 #4
Rape? Dirty Deed? It's an insect. alphafemale Sep 2012 #5
Different things. Baitball Blogger Sep 2012 #6
And NEITHER thing can be seen as Rape or Assault in either way. alphafemale Sep 2012 #7
Then I chose to be silly. Baitball Blogger Sep 2012 #8
being a model republican? Kali Sep 2012 #9

Guldsmed

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3. Weird to call it rape
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:44 AM
Sep 2012

As the female releases pheromones from a few hours before she ecloses, she is really asking for it, so it is not rape.

I know there are case, where the female has difficulty in unfolding her wings as a result of the attention, but if it was not on average beneficial for the female, evolution would have weeded out those who start releasing pheromones while still a pupa.

Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
4. She doesn't have a choice in the way it all evolves. It's her body that is following
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:42 AM
Sep 2012

a timetable which she cannot alter no matter how threatening the environment turns around her. It happens quickly. And, from what I have witnessed, if they become frightened it can interfere with the process of metamorphosis and they never make it out alive.

Since you're using a human comparison, everything stops the moment the woman says no. It doesn't matter how far into the courting process they're in. But a chrysalis doesn't even have the option to fly away.

Just as fair warning, yours will not be a popular opinion in this newsgroup.

Also, there are two more chrysalis that formed on the wall, but these are a different kind of butterfly, so I'm hoping the results will be different.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
5. Rape? Dirty Deed? It's an insect.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:30 AM
Sep 2012

Anthropomorphism much?

What is that wasp species who lays her eggs in another insects body so that they will hatch and eat the host alive doing then?





Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
6. Different things.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:37 AM
Sep 2012

One has to do with providing food for their young; the other has to do with treatment of their own kind.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
7. And NEITHER thing can be seen as Rape or Assault in either way.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:57 AM
Sep 2012

Would fire ants swarming and eating a baby bird be evil?

Is a baby bird shoving a smaller sibling out of the nest fratricide?

These things may be harsh to our eyes but to pass judgment on any of them as wrong or evil is just...well...silly.

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