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GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 03:48 PM Sep 2023

5 years in France

Last night, 4 sept 2018, at 5:55 EDT we left Boston Logan Airport on TAP 218 bound for Lisbon and then on to Marseille Airport. Earlier, we had arrived on a Jet Blue flight from Philadelphia.

Before boarding, we fortified ourselves with gin Martini’s and Legal Seafood’s clam chowder.

A couple of nights before we had been stuck in an elevator in Center City, Philadelphia, and waited for the firefighters to get us out. At that time, we worried that something else would delay or derail our plans, But, boarding the Air Portugal plane and winging away across Massachusetts Bay, we knew we were finally on our way.

We left behind a 5X5 storage unit and our Philadelphia friends. It was bittersweet, but after a summer of farewell dinners, living out of suitcases, a recalcitrant teen, scary rabbits, and various doctor’s appointments, we were relieved to be on our way to our new life in France.
Today, is our fifth anniversary of arriving and living full time in France. We have Carte Vitale’s, French driving licences, and, probably most importantly, a cat.

We’re grateful and fortunate to be here, and will remain here.
Of course there have been adjustments to our lives, but we know we made the absolute right choice in coming to France.







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5 years in France (Original Post) GoneOffShore Sep 2023 OP
👍 claudette Sep 2023 #1
Je pense que ce n'est pas que vous. DFW Sep 2023 #32
Je suis claudette Sep 2023 #37
Don't discard your dream. It's still there. DFW Sep 2023 #38
I'll try not to! claudette Sep 2023 #42
Marseille is beautiful. The last time I was there Emile Sep 2023 #2
We love Marseille - great restaurants, and lots of culture GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #6
I thought I recognized Aix, though it's been many years since I visited. Lonestarblue Sep 2023 #12
Aix has a large anglophone population because of the university GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #17
You get used to it. DFW Sep 2023 #33
But, what is the French cats name? IcyPeas Sep 2023 #3
Pierre ? Maraya1969 Sep 2023 #4
She is 'Dora the Cat Who Adopted Us', formerly 'Dora le chat d'ascenseur' GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #5
Awww I love it. This would be a great children's storybook... but from Dora's perspective. IcyPeas Sep 2023 #7
I once had a romantic partner from France. ChazInAz Sep 2023 #15
Lady Chat-terly? n/t DFW Sep 2023 #40
The last photo perfectly captures the essence of village life erronis Sep 2023 #8
Looks like Aix, a lovely town! trusty elf Sep 2023 #10
That photo is the market in the old town. And luckily for everyone's feet, there aren't too many GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #18
Will be joining you in 22 months. yowzayowzayowza Sep 2023 #9
Valbonne is nice, with a lot of Brits. The whole area around Nice is overbuilt. GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #19
Yea, if we end up in the Nice area, will stay north of the A8. yowzayowzayowza Sep 2023 #29
When we bought, we had three agents. And as you may know, agents work for both sides here GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #30
Thanks for the link. Hadn't run into that site. yowzayowzayowza Sep 2023 #31
Keep in mind the costs of a larger property as you age, along with the ability to do maintenance GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #34
No, I will not wholly own one of THOSE gardens. Not gunna happen. n/t yowzayowzayowza Sep 2023 #45
Did you speak french when you moved there? Mr.Bill Sep 2023 #11
On the European language scale, I spoke at a A2 level when we arrived. GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #20
Take it from one who lives in Germany, and is in a different country every day for work DFW Sep 2023 #35
I totally agree with you. Mr.Bill Sep 2023 #43
I'm envious! Sky Jewels Sep 2023 #13
5 yrs of paying for a storage unit? hmmm msongs Sep 2023 #14
Only did that for less than 18 months. And not sure why we did it in the first place. GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #21
How did you find the cost of housing? EleanorR Sep 2023 #16
Aix is pricey, because of the university, and it's proximity to both Marseille and the countryside GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #22
Less than $500 a month? That's interesting. But hard to believe. littlemissmartypants Sep 2023 #23
Here was a quarterly bill from 2022 GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #24
What's this for total living expenses? Or just housing? littlemissmartypants Sep 2023 #25
That's housing. GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #26
Makes much more sense now! Sorry it took so long to get to the crux of the matter. littlemissmartypants Sep 2023 #27
Thanks for the info. EleanorR Sep 2023 #28
I'm in Germany. Not as romantic as France or Portugal, but......... DFW Sep 2023 #36
Very cool indeed. GoneOffShore Sep 2023 #39
But I remember seeing a few chteaux in the neighborhood when I visited there. DFW Sep 2023 #41
I admire your courage. Keep living your best life! Boomerproud Sep 2023 #44

claudette

(3,606 posts)
37. Je suis
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 05:02 PM
Sep 2023

d’accord!! Years ago when I was studying French, I had a pen pal from the beautiful south of France. I was determined to get there one day but so far have not been able to make that dream come true.

DFW

(54,448 posts)
38. Don't discard your dream. It's still there.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 05:04 PM
Sep 2023

Of course, that's easy for me to say. Marseille is a 70 minute flight from here.

GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
6. We love Marseille - great restaurants, and lots of culture
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 04:23 PM
Sep 2023

We're 45 minutes north in Aix-en-Provence, which is easier to live in than the 'big city'. It's quieter and closer to the countryside. Plus there is Cézanne's 'Sacred Mountain', Saint Victoire, just outside of town, which is always a joy to see.

Lonestarblue

(10,106 posts)
12. I thought I recognized Aix, though it's been many years since I visited.
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 06:34 PM
Sep 2023

And congratulations on your change of countries. I love France but do not speak the language well. I know a bit more for reading, but think it would take me quite a while to function well!

GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
17. Aix has a large anglophone population because of the university
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 01:34 AM
Sep 2023

plus the fusion project up the road.

There are resources here for foreigners.

DFW

(54,448 posts)
33. You get used to it.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:35 PM
Sep 2023

I live in Germany, but I'm in Paris once a week, as well as Brussels once a week, and I speak to my office in Geneva almost once a day. So, I can switch in and out of French pretty much effortlessly by now. It's just a question of habit.

GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
5. She is 'Dora the Cat Who Adopted Us', formerly 'Dora le chat d'ascenseur'
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 04:18 PM
Sep 2023

When we bought the flat there was a woman living on the top floor who had Dora. She would put her outside during the day, and come evening Dora would get into the lobby and wait until someone showed up an opened the door to the lift. Everyone knew she lived on the 5th floor, so we would push the button for five and up she would go.

When Madame T would go away, she'd put Dora outside to fend for herself. We started to feed her, first outside, and then she found a way to jump onto our balcony, and we'd feed her there. This continued for a couple of years, with Dora spending more time on our balcony. Mme T had been in the building since the early 70s and after a 'crise de coeur' she ended up in hospital for several weeks. We took care of Dora.

Mme T came back and six months later had a stroke and declined rapidly. At this point, Dora had moved in with us, and Mme T's daughter asked us if we wanted to keep Dora. And of course, we said yes. She is 17 years old, sleeps a lot, and no longer jumps off of the balcony (We're on the ground floor, so only two meters to the ground).

ChazInAz

(2,573 posts)
15. I once had a romantic partner from France.
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 06:51 PM
Sep 2023

Dora has the same expression that ma cher frequently gave me...usually when I tried out the horrid remains of my high school French.

erronis

(15,382 posts)
8. The last photo perfectly captures the essence of village life
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 04:57 PM
Sep 2023

The narrow streets, the cobblestones, the cafes and smells and boules.

I lived in Istres (northwest of Marseilles) and worked near Martigues in the 80s. I loved visiting the coastal towns and going into the big city. It was plenty rough back then - may have improved since?

GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
18. That photo is the market in the old town. And luckily for everyone's feet, there aren't too many
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 01:38 AM
Sep 2023

cobblestones.

Marseille has definitely improved in parts. There are areas that are still a bit rough, but not so much around the Vieux Port, the Panier, and Prado.

yowzayowzayowza

(7,018 posts)
9. Will be joining you in 22 months.
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 05:55 PM
Sep 2023

Spent last spring break in Nice reconnoitering. Really liked the Valbonne area. Exploring the Vendee next spring. Cant hardly wait!!!

GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
19. Valbonne is nice, with a lot of Brits. The whole area around Nice is overbuilt.
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 01:46 AM
Sep 2023

If the land has a less than 75degree incline, the Nicoise will build on it.

The Vendée is lovely.

What kind of visa are you getting? We applied for a VS-TLS which we have to renew here in France every year. This year, we can apply for 10 year cards, which will make life bureaucratically easier.

Check that your state has a driving licence exchange agreement with France. Otherwise, if you move here you will have to apply for a French licence and take the test after a year. Pennsylvania and Florida licences can be exchanged, and there are several other states, but I don't have that list in my head.

yowzayowzayowza

(7,018 posts)
29. Yea, if we end up in the Nice area, will stay north of the A8.
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 06:04 PM
Sep 2023

Have friends in Antibes, but too much traffic on the south, beach side. The freeway work towards Grasse is also a royal mess; parking lot during rush hour. Loved L'esterel along the shore, but the single lane road could be problematic.

I like to sail, so the Vendée is really more my speed. Also only 2hrs to Paris by speed train. My SO is German and teaches/translates French, German & English, so I'm hoping to piggyback on her employment visa process. She went to school in Angers and has close friends in Saumur.

Spending time with real estate and rental possibilities. Are you happy with your purchase? Any other sites that might be of interest?

GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
30. When we bought, we had three agents. And as you may know, agents work for both sides here
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 07:35 AM
Sep 2023

And there's no Multi listing service.

Try https://www.pap.fr/ which are direct sales.

We looked at 7 or 8 different properties before we settled on this one. We knew that we didn't want a house nor did we want a flat in a building without an elevator. Fortunately, we found a ground floor flat.

We are generally pleased with the place that we bought. It's in the town, yet far away from the 'historic centre', so that we're not inundated by tourist traffic. It's in a 'residence' with 9 or 10 buildings, parking, grounds, and all behind a gate. Our building was constructed in the early 70s, so there are a few maintenance issues, but nothing that's bank breaking. And we updated the kitchen and the bathroom. The management company is very good, but that's because the property owners stay on top of them. And we have reasonable neighbours, plus our 'concierge/gardienne' (US equivalent would 'super') does a great job.


yowzayowzayowza

(7,018 posts)
31. Thanks for the link. Hadn't run into that site.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:28 PM
Sep 2023

We are vacillating between a situation like yours and a country villa: the benefits of a walk/bike-able in-town lifestyle versus more space for parking, RV storage, projects, silence and what-not.

GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
34. Keep in mind the costs of a larger property as you age, along with the ability to do maintenance
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:45 PM
Sep 2023

yourself.

And it's always possible to find a place that combines both.

Mr.Bill

(24,334 posts)
11. Did you speak french when you moved there?
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 06:10 PM
Sep 2023

I'm sure you speak at least some by now, but how much? Could one live there without speaking much french?

GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
20. On the European language scale, I spoke at a A2 level when we arrived.
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 01:51 AM
Sep 2023

Which is 'advanced beginner'.

On a listening and reading level, I'm now at B2, and for speaking B1. Writing I'm at A2.

I know people who barely speak at the A1 level, but it makes life a bit difficult for them. They are constantly in need of translation help.

DFW

(54,448 posts)
35. Take it from one who lives in Germany, and is in a different country every day for work
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:49 PM
Sep 2023

Living in any European country speaking only English would be like moving to the USA speaking only German.

Sure, you will always find someone to talk to, but you are only an outsider, and forever. If you move to a different country, you need to integrate with the country, the culture, the people. That means learning the language, whether it's French, Mandarin, Arabic, Hungarian or Catalan. You don't have to undergo a year's worth of total immersion, just try each day. In a year, you may not have native fluency, but if you try every day, you will make progress.

My younger daughter went to school in Hawai'i for two years. Coming from Germany, she saw they offered three languages: French, Spanish and Hawaiian. She chose French, since that is what she had started with here in Germany. I ribber her with "why not Hawaiian?" She said, "right, what would I ever do with that?" But come the next summer, we were all in a car together when a Hawaiian song came on the radio, and damned if she didn't start translating it for us. I said, "I thought you weren't learning any Hawaiian!" She said, "I'm not, but ANYBODY knows THAT much!" Well, if you had just lived a year in Hawai'i, maybe.

Mr.Bill

(24,334 posts)
43. I totally agree with you.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 09:21 PM
Sep 2023

I wouldn't consider moving to a country with a different language without doing that. I was just curious about other people's experience. But at my age, it's not in the cards.

GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
21. Only did that for less than 18 months. And not sure why we did it in the first place.
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 01:52 AM
Sep 2023

We had a friend clear it for us.

We still pay for a mailbox in Philadelphia.

GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
22. Aix is pricey, because of the university, and it's proximity to both Marseille and the countryside
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 01:58 AM
Sep 2023

And the rental market can be difficult for the same reasons.

We bought in 2017 and paid just over 325k dollars for our 900 sq foot, 2 bedroom flat in a 50 year old building. If the flat had been on a higher floor we would have paid more. Presently our charges are around 2200 euros a year, plus electricity - 700 euros per year right now, and local taxes of 2000 euros a year.

littlemissmartypants

(22,839 posts)
27. Makes much more sense now! Sorry it took so long to get to the crux of the matter.
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 04:51 AM
Sep 2023

My heritage is French on my mother’s side. I'm glad you found your happy place. The kitty looks very sweet.

EleanorR

(2,395 posts)
28. Thanks for the info.
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 08:46 AM
Sep 2023

I'm looking at Portugal as well, but their now defunct golden visa program really did a number on the housing market.

DFW

(54,448 posts)
36. I'm in Germany. Not as romantic as France or Portugal, but.........
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:56 PM
Sep 2023

I do have a cool piece of antiquity in my back yard:


GoneOffShore

(17,342 posts)
39. Very cool indeed.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 05:04 PM
Sep 2023

Living in town makes it tougher to find bucolic scenes without a bit of a drive.

DFW

(54,448 posts)
41. But I remember seeing a few chteaux in the neighborhood when I visited there.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 05:07 PM
Sep 2023

Maybe a half an hour outside of town?

"Châteaux" wouldn't print as a headline

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