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World's Oldest Photographs (Original Post) struggle4progress Oct 2012 OP
The quality of some of those photos is insanely high, for their age. Systematic Chaos Oct 2012 #1
Technologists ruled in the Victorian era struggle4progress Oct 2012 #10
How about a motion picture from 1863? >> El Supremo Oct 2012 #2
And they must have thought they were really high tech! Seedersandleechers Oct 2012 #4
I'm certain this is not from 1863. The oldest known motion picture is from 1888. Bucky Oct 2012 #6
Without yet digging further Wednesdays Oct 2012 #11
FWIW, Canular is French for hoax pokerfan Oct 2012 #37
I'm rather doubtful about the authenticity of that. Dry plate photography wasn't invented until struggle4progress Oct 2012 #7
It is the same clip ... kwassa Oct 2012 #13
The last name of the alleged photographer "Léon-Alexandre Cànular" (identified on the youtube site) struggle4progress Oct 2012 #15
Good digging! El Supremo Oct 2012 #24
Hey, I learned somethin from it meself! struggle4progress Oct 2012 #26
Most of the Civil War reenactors are overweight. Real GIs would have been a lot skinnier because vinny9698 Oct 2012 #29
*snort* Was that you in the middle changing your avatar from the South to the North??? madinmaryland Oct 2012 #36
You are more weird than taterboy! n/m El Supremo Oct 2012 #38
Heh. Coming from the poster who is no longer a Tim Tebow fan!! madinmaryland Oct 2012 #39
Fascinating! Some of these are very clear The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2012 #3
Cool! struggle4progress Oct 2012 #8
Well the original YouTube poster may know the music as "The Liberty Bell" by John Philip Sousa demwing Oct 2012 #5
I actually turned the sound off when watching struggle4progress Oct 2012 #9
well then, now for something demwing Oct 2012 #12
I did too treestar Oct 2012 #20
Wow, I didn't know that ashling Oct 2012 #14
Interesting treestar Oct 2012 #16
Maxwell had a core idea in the 1850s but implementing it in a practical way was really difficult struggle4progress Oct 2012 #17
That is really interesting. Thanx. n/t. NNadir Oct 2012 #18
Glad you enjoyed it! struggle4progress Oct 2012 #19
Wow. That was cool. Thanks! HopeHoops Oct 2012 #21
It was popular for black and white photos to be colorized. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #22
Chromolithography apparently dates to almost the beginning of lithography struggle4progress Oct 2012 #25
Check out this one for the "cartoon quality" Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #27
Very interesting post defacto7 Oct 2012 #23
awesome. i find old black + white photography has more clarity. pansypoo53219 Oct 2012 #28
Harrison? verges Oct 2012 #30
The pictures seem correctly labelled to me: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #31
That was fascinating PatSeg Oct 2012 #32
Interesting link... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #33
try this site for great old pic, film etc Swagman Oct 2012 #34
Wow Canuckistanian Oct 2012 #35

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
6. I'm certain this is not from 1863. The oldest known motion picture is from 1888.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:42 PM
Oct 2012

1863 is 15 years before the famous galloping horse film was made... and that took 24 different cameras to shoot. This alleged Civil War film is clearly from a stationary location. At least one person in that crowd seems to be wearing a 1910s era hat.

Wednesdays

(17,380 posts)
11. Without yet digging further
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:57 PM
Oct 2012

I'm willing to bet the clip of the Confederate soldiers is from D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" (1915).

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
37. FWIW, Canular is French for hoax
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 08:18 PM
Oct 2012
Authentic American Civil War footage shot by French experimental photographer and inventor Léon-Alexandre Cànular

struggle4progress

(118,288 posts)
7. I'm rather doubtful about the authenticity of that. Dry plate photography wasn't invented until
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:43 PM
Oct 2012

the early 1870s: at that time, fraction of a second exposures first become possible then

I think your link may be hoax based on this: the gap in the trees up the road is remarkably similar

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
13. It is the same clip ...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:38 PM
Oct 2012

The man with the red shirt and the women in the straw hat at the end of the re-enactment are in both clips; the tents are in the same location, etc...

struggle4progress

(118,288 posts)
15. The last name of the alleged photographer "Léon-Alexandre Cànular" (identified on the youtube site)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:53 PM
Oct 2012

seems to be French for "hoax"

vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
29. Most of the Civil War reenactors are overweight. Real GIs would have been a lot skinnier because
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:44 PM
Oct 2012

of the constant marching and low rations. Especially the Confederates.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,714 posts)
3. Fascinating! Some of these are very clear
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:10 PM
Oct 2012

considering how old they are.

My family has this photo of an ancestor who died in 1847 - we think it was taken in Belfast but I don't have much other information.


 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
5. Well the original YouTube poster may know the music as "The Liberty Bell" by John Philip Sousa
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:38 PM
Oct 2012

But I'll always hear it as the theme to Monty Python's Flying Circus.

struggle4progress

(118,288 posts)
17. Maxwell had a core idea in the 1850s but implementing it in a practical way was really difficult
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:15 AM
Oct 2012
... The first color photograph made according to Maxwell's prescription, a set of three monochrome "color separations", was taken by Thomas Sutton in 1861 for use in illustrating a lecture on color by Maxwell, where it was shown in color by the triple projection method. The test subject was a bow made of ribbon with stripes of various colors, apparently including red and green. During the lecture, which was about physics and physiology, not photography, Maxwell commented on the inadequacy of the results and the need for a photographic material more sensitive to red and green light. A century later, historians were mystified by the reproduction of any red at all, because the photographic process used by Sutton was for all practical purposes totally insensitive to red light and only marginally sensitive to green. In 1961, researchers found that many red dyes also reflect ultraviolet light, coincidentally transmitted by Sutton’s red filter, and surmised that the three images were probably due to ultra-violet, blue-green and blue wavelengths, rather than to red, green and blue ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_photography#Early_experiments
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
22. It was popular for black and white photos to be colorized.
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:51 AM
Oct 2012

You can see it in post cards as well and the colors were almost cartoon like due to the limits of printing.

struggle4progress

(118,288 posts)
25. Chromolithography apparently dates to almost the beginning of lithography
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:56 AM
Oct 2012

in the early nineteenth century, and once the halftone process was invented for reproducing photographs, it would be natural to try to combine the two: one could clearly use Maxwell's technique of taking three snapshots through three different filters and could use the snapshots to produce three different halftone plates for the three colors inks -- and most of the mechanical reproduction work, though novel in combination at first, would have been close to routine work for any printing house that had already mastered the separate steps halftone and chromolithography


An Early Indian Book with Color Photographs <1897>
... The fact that the second edition came out less than three months after the first suggests quick turn-around ...
http://www.photoraj.com/blog/early-indian-books-color-photographs

Early tricolor halftone prints may seem to have cartoonish colors because the photographic work involves additive color theory, whereas the printing involves subtractive theory -- and thus one faces the somewhat nontrivial problem of finding ink colors that are appropriate to the photographic filter colors:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_photography

But I expect you're right about colorizing: it must have been straightforward for professionals to make three appropriate color plates, from a black and white photograph, to mass produce the colorized picture, as in this postcard

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ohiouniversitylibraries/3528770121/

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
27. Check out this one for the "cartoon quality"
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:25 PM
Oct 2012


Don't get me wrong, some colorization was quite good. A lot of it had a pastel quality.

There were studios still doing that kind of thing into the 1960s.

pansypoo53219

(20,977 posts)
28. awesome. i find old black + white photography has more clarity.
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:41 PM
Oct 2012

i started collecting old photographs after buying an old photo album at a antique shop for $5. the album was soooooooooooooooooo cool as it was 'scrapbooked'. no I.D. unfortunately. i buy albums when i can and photos when i find them. even very poor photos can be brought back from nothing w/ photshopping. one phot was so washed out, and just a little darkening and it's a meal on a large porch! sadly i do not have access, but i have seen a few photos my great-great uncle took, WHO i knew til my 30's. he had a good eye.

struggle4progress

(118,288 posts)
31. The pictures seem correctly labelled to me:
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 04:53 PM
Oct 2012

This is the picture they identify as Harrison



And this is the picture they identify as Adams

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