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Aerows

(39,961 posts)
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:06 PM Dec 2012

Wheel of Time - the end of 23 years of waiting

I've been reading these books for about 18 years, but the weight of how long it has taken to get this saga finished hasn't evaded me. Here we are on the cusp of A Memory of Light, and God help us if it is as bad as Path of Thorns, which was a disgrace, likely due to RJ's health conditions.

I can't really discuss the things I think without creating spoilers, because 90% of the cool parts of the books are a mystery novel to discover who is what. I will say that there are liberal clues, but when they are shockingly offered, it is quite satisfying to realize that you were both right and wrong.

A Memory of Light comes out on January 8. You can find the prologue on the TOR site, like always. It's a tease from hell.

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Wheel of Time - the end of 23 years of waiting (Original Post) Aerows Dec 2012 OP
Can't wait... Xyzse Dec 2012 #1
Me too Aerows Dec 2012 #3
To me, it seems the perfect example of perception becoming reality, sort of. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #2
It's a book series Aerows Dec 2012 #4
And here I thought you were referring to the Mayan thingie! NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #5
When I was working at a bookstore in the early to mid-nineties, one of the most frequent Aristus Dec 2012 #6
At least this guy worked hard on finishing his books. Xyzse Dec 2012 #7
He had three series going Aerows Dec 2012 #8
I can only agree. Xyzse Dec 2012 #9
My Borders contact was a grizzled, fifty-ish ex-Marine. Aristus Dec 2012 #10
I guess I got lucky... Xyzse Dec 2012 #12
Hey dude, JoeyT Dec 2012 #14
I wish I could help Aerows Dec 2012 #16
Oh I just meant that was a bad one to get asked JoeyT Dec 2012 #17
That said Aerows Dec 2012 #11
Um...no. Possible spoiler in post. Liberal Veteran Dec 2012 #20
A few years ago Scruffy Rumbler Dec 2012 #13
I sat down, and re-read it all Aerows Dec 2012 #15
I'm still on #5 raptor_rider Dec 2012 #18
I read three of them, then hit the wall. Brickbat Dec 2012 #19
Try the later one Aerows Dec 2012 #21
Wait - you read three Aerows Dec 2012 #22
So I just checked wikipedia, because I couldn't remember... Brickbat Dec 2012 #23
There are many appealing things about the series Aerows Dec 2012 #24
Oh, that's totally fine. Brickbat Dec 2012 #25

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
1. Can't wait...
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:10 PM
Dec 2012

I've been reading these books since mid-90s.

I have to re-buy most of them.
I am just glad someone stepped up to write the end.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
3. Me too
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:13 PM
Dec 2012

I read the first 5 in a row and then eagerly awaited Lord of Chaos in hardback. Just an amazing ability for world creation, a compelling idea, and research blended with believability out of the ass.

RIP Robert Jordan, and thank goodness your work is being finished.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. To me, it seems the perfect example of perception becoming reality, sort of.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:11 PM
Dec 2012

Which is to say that something perfectly open to interpretation reveals so much more of the interpretor than it does of the thing being interpreted.

Where some see death and annihilation, I see a new era breaking.

I welcome the new beginning!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
4. It's a book series
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:19 PM
Dec 2012

Sweetheart.

Please, honey, get it together. Your friends love you, but you seem like you are kind of deteriorating, and none of us want that for you.

Aristus

(66,446 posts)
6. When I was working at a bookstore in the early to mid-nineties, one of the most frequent
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:16 PM
Dec 2012

(and dreaded) customer inquiries was: "When is the new Wheel Of Time book going to be out?"

I heard that question hundreds of times.

Sometimes, customers got angry with me, as if I were author, publisher, distributor, and retailer all in one...

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
7. At least this guy worked hard on finishing his books.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:12 PM
Dec 2012

He would come out with one every few years, even when his health was deteriorating.

He never had more than a 2 year span without one of his series coming out, while even putting out some books like the Fallon Blood series, and his other Conan novels.

This is impressive considering GRR Martin who would have a time span of 3-6 years from one book to another, which is ridiculous... and his afterword in A Feast of Crows made me almost throw that book halfway across the street.

Though yeah, I can only imagine. Some people get passionate about getting the new books.

I fortunately don't get that way in getting angry with those that help me in book stores. I miss my Borders girls... I mean, the Borders Staff.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
8. He had three series going
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:37 PM
Dec 2012

and found a way to finish them all. Amazing man. Indeed he did continue writing until the nails were put in his coffin, and in his case, beyond, because it mattered to him to finish.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
9. I can only agree.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:50 PM
Dec 2012

I've read the Reagan O'Neil books of his and the Conan series.

I am really impressed by Mr. Jordan. I am actually pretty happy his estate picked Brandon Sanderson, even if I don't particularly agree with his politics, I can see where he is coming from, and he seems to have humility enough to accept that he doesn't know everything.

Aristus

(66,446 posts)
10. My Borders contact was a grizzled, fifty-ish ex-Marine.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:22 PM
Dec 2012

Cool guy. Loved books.

A pretty girl would have been nice to have as my "I found this for you; you'll love it!" bookseller.

But I was happy to have this guy. He loved his job.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
14. Hey dude,
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:52 AM
Dec 2012

when is the new Robert Asprin book coming out? He promised it'd be this year. I can't remember which one of his books it was where he just kinda wandered off for like four years between books, but I remember a friend being driven absolutely crazy by people demanding the next book in the Myth series.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
16. I wish I could help
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 05:17 PM
Dec 2012

But I never got into Robert Asprin. I know he did the "Myth" series, but that never was one I liked or read beyond the titles.

You might make a new thread, though. Maybe someone else knows.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
17. Oh I just meant that was a bad one to get asked
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 05:35 PM
Dec 2012

if you worked at a book store. Many angry Myth/Phule fans whenever he took an unannounced break.

He died around 2008, I think it was.

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
20. Um...no. Possible spoiler in post.
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:03 PM
Dec 2012

Taim is promoted in the prologue to Chosen/Forsaken. Demandred is at the gathering of the remaining Forsaken where Moridin tells the others Taim is now one of the Chosen.

Scruffy Rumbler

(961 posts)
13. A few years ago
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:56 AM
Dec 2012

I was in Goodwill looking for something to read. I saw the book called "Eye of the World" and liking SciFi/Fantasy, I picked it up...Part way through, I realized the story was not going to resolve itself by the end of the book. So I went looking for the second book....found the 6th. 6TH!?!" What the hell?" I thought. I did a little investigating and discovered ten books to the series. Yay! This would keep me busy for awhile. I get to the end of the 10th book... and damn. Not only had the story not ended... but I discovered the author had died. NOOOOOOO!!!

This has definitely been a series that keeps on giving! I was fortunate enough not to have 23 years of suspence... only about 5 or so. The next decision is how far back into the series do I go to reread and get the flow going for the las t book?

And just a side note for any DUers that like libraries, the last book that came out I read after moving back to my hometown after 25 years away and checked it out of our small town library where I had my first library card. Love that place and the ladies that work there!

I'll have to go and reserve "A Memory of Light"! Thanks for the heads up!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
15. I sat down, and re-read it all
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 05:03 PM
Dec 2012

Because it is a masterpiece. You miss a lot the first read through. I used to re-read every time a new one came out to steep myself in the rich, well-detailed world. I'm on my 13th time.

. That's pretty much where I am. This series impacted me so deeply, and many of my friends that also read it. It isn't Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones exists because of Wheel of Time exists, as does the entire Sword of Truth series, which I also adore.

Robert Jordan brought depth and breathed life into not only people and places, but he gave life in his art that many could follow and understand. But few could do as well as he did. He captured people, places and things in a way that every author wants to do, but never achieves the way he could, regardless of the genre. His just happened to be fantasy.

Wheel of Time might be his final chapter, but his legacy is a message to those who come after him and would take up a pen. It is infused with the message of "finish, no matter how difficult" and "start as you want to continue, and then continue."

And I forgot to mention, something his books have always conveyed - be a producer. Produce whatever it is that is the best of you, and do what you have to do otherwise. But put your soul out there.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
19. I read three of them, then hit the wall.
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:45 PM
Dec 2012

I couldn't stand the writing, or the plot. I see why people like them, but...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
21. Try the later one
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:45 PM
Dec 2012

After Knife of Dreams. That was pretty much another one that failed besides Path of Daggers.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
22. Wait - you read three
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:47 PM
Dec 2012

You didn't like the Shadow Rising, or the Fires of Heaven? Those two are definitive of the series, and probably had the best writing.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
23. So I just checked wikipedia, because I couldn't remember...
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:00 PM
Dec 2012

...and looking at the covers, I actually read through Fires of Heaven. Which sounds funny -- why read five if I don't like them? Part of it is I like reading writing I don't like, because I'm an editor and I like finding what I would change in bad writing. Part of it was I kept thinking I was missing something, because of the wild success these books have. It's the same reason I read the "Inheritance" series. Totally hated it; read the whole thing.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
24. There are many appealing things about the series
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:10 PM
Dec 2012

I'm surprised that an "editor" can't find them.

I'm not calling you out, but you made the statement that "I am an editor". That could mean anything and your ideas of what an editor is could be different, so I am going to leave it at that.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
25. Oh, that's totally fine.
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:14 PM
Dec 2012

I can see what's appealing about them. It's just not something that appeals to me. I'm not a book editor, but if I were and the MS crossed my desk, I would give it a second and even a third read. There's just a lot more work I would have put into them before publishing them. Would they have been as successful? Maybe, maybe not.

ETA: I hope I don't come across as some writing snob who thinks she's too good for these books. A have a lot of friends -- avid readers whose opinions I respect -- who love these books, and we've had some lively discussions.

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