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Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:54 PM Feb 2013

$130 for an 8-lb turkey; $17 for 1.5lbs of chicken breast

http://shop.ayrshirefarm.com/product.php?productid=17611&cat=250&page=1

I'm a vegetarian; I still like honey in my tea, and eat eggs if they're certified humane so I don't qualify as vegan. I'll also go for fish, if it's US-farmed and on the Monterey Bay Aquarium's "best choice" list.

My husband likes chicken and turkey, and I have wanted to source and buy certified humane chicken and turkey for him.

This farm isn't far from where we live. I'd love to support local producers. But frankly, these prices piss me off. Not just for my own reasons, but pricing like this is going to do NOTHING to encourage people to buy local, and to buy humanely produced meats.

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$130 for an 8-lb turkey; $17 for 1.5lbs of chicken breast (Original Post) Flaxbee Feb 2013 OP
I respect your views, and I admire your desire to Moondog Feb 2013 #1
yes, indeed. But this area, where the farm is Flaxbee Feb 2013 #5
Loudon or Fauquier, I take it. Moondog Feb 2013 #8
Upperville and Middleburg -- Fauquier Flaxbee Feb 2013 #10
On a side note, are you near Marshall, VA (right off I-66) madinmaryland Feb 2013 #17
Interesting! About a half hour away... Flaxbee Feb 2013 #19
Damn! They were really nice people. The BarrelOak has great wine tasting and good wines,too! madinmaryland Feb 2013 #20
Is this an episode of The Californians???? Bake Feb 2013 #21
I wish it was *that* 66 Flaxbee Feb 2013 #24
Hi Flax! Bake Feb 2013 #25
Umm I've been told that the terms like "humane" and "organic" are not certified by anyone. Callmecrazy Feb 2013 #2
this nonprofit is trying very hard to raise and sustain standards Flaxbee Feb 2013 #6
That's steep ... Auggie Feb 2013 #3
this is straight from the farm to their farm store... Flaxbee Feb 2013 #7
No. But then again, the farm isn't reaping the benefits of mass production. Auggie Feb 2013 #11
Supply and demand Bucky Feb 2013 #4
the prices don't have to come down in this neighborhood... Flaxbee Feb 2013 #9
I have a different take on 'affordability': The Shrimp Cocktail trof Feb 2013 #12
So... Am I to believe that Glassunion Feb 2013 #14
OK, that got a chuckle. trof Feb 2013 #15
This may help... Glassunion Feb 2013 #13
I'm not in Arlington -- I'm about an hour away in a more rural area Flaxbee Feb 2013 #16
I don't know if there's a reason for those prices, but I couldn't afford them, even if a good reason Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #18
I don't understand why the price is so much higher than their beef.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #22
Monterey Bay Aquarium is a good source of information on fish Major Nikon Feb 2013 #23
Yikes, that's expensive! robertkdem1965_h89 Feb 2013 #26
I am paying 4.00 for organic beef dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #27
I'm lucky to be in an agricultural state near a food co-op Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #28

Moondog

(4,833 posts)
1. I respect your views, and I admire your desire to
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:57 PM
Feb 2013

actually make good on them.

But those prices are fucking nuts!

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
5. yes, indeed. But this area, where the farm is
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:09 PM
Feb 2013

is one of the 5 richest counties in the U.S.

About 40 minutes outside of DC in Virginia's "horse country"

We don't live in that county.

These kinds of prices are no problem for most of that area's residents....

But for the rest of us poor slobs? Ain't gonna happen.

Moondog

(4,833 posts)
8. Loudon or Fauquier, I take it.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:15 PM
Feb 2013

I lived in Arlington for years.

I understand your point, but that is still nuts, even by the inflated standards of the areas you reference.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
17. On a side note, are you near Marshall, VA (right off I-66)
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:41 PM
Feb 2013

We've been going to visit an Alpaca Farm for nearly 10 years. Wonderful couple that owns the place.

http://www.alpacafullmoon.com/

My wife has bought alpaca yarn there and made scarves!

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
19. Interesting! About a half hour away...
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:46 PM
Feb 2013

but a pretty 1/2 hour drive.

There are alpacas all over this place. lol.

On edit: They closed at the end of the year last year:

Alpaca Full Moon Farm closed its doors on December 31, 2012. As we have been saying around here, it was a "wonderful run!"

Ten full years of delightful, curious alpacas who stole the show each and every weekend by greeting many of our visitors at the fence line.

Ten full years of enjoying the many shoppers who found that perfect alpaca gift in our Full Moon Shop and shared their joy in knowing that it was just the most perfect present they could buy for themselves ... or someone else!

Ten full years of meeting new folks who became old friends, all different and wonderful people, sharing a grand passion for animals.

Ten years worth of Harvest and Holiday Open Houses. Ten years of close friends stepping up to the plate, giving us hours of their time, to help us get through those major events.

Ten years of the best that life could hold. Thank you all for joining us on this incredible journey.
~~Lee and John Lane~~

While we figure out what the next "wonderful run" might be, explore www.barreloak.com/, the enterprising winery and farm that purchased the majority of our alpacas. And enjoy the photographic goodbye created by Jim Remington (one of those farm visitors turned friend) at www.jwremingtonphoto.com/ - look for The Four Seasons, Fall, Time to Say Goodbye.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
20. Damn! They were really nice people. The BarrelOak has great wine tasting and good wines,too!
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:51 PM
Feb 2013

Have to make a trip down there one of these days!

Bake

(21,977 posts)
25. Hi Flax!
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:05 PM
Feb 2013

I made the mistake of getting sucked into the gun wars in GD ... not doing that again!



Bake

Callmecrazy

(3,065 posts)
2. Umm I've been told that the terms like "humane" and "organic" are not certified by anyone.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:05 PM
Feb 2013

They are just marketing tools to justify price gouging. I heard this from my dad who was thirty years in the "gourmet" produce industry. It's all a racket.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
6. this nonprofit is trying very hard to raise and sustain standards
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:10 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.certifiedhumane.org/

And the farm I mention above states that they're part of the Certified Humane program.

But yes, much of the labeling is just pure marketing bullshit.

Auggie

(31,177 posts)
3. That's steep ...
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:06 PM
Feb 2013

but my guess is the mark-ups aren't that much more after wholesalers and retailers take their cut at the supermarket.

Real food is not always inexpensive to produce. Especially limited production.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
7. this is straight from the farm to their farm store...
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:13 PM
Feb 2013

so there are no middlemen, so far as I know.

I do appreciate the costs involved, but surely, it can't be this much....

Auggie

(31,177 posts)
11. No. But then again, the farm isn't reaping the benefits of mass production.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:39 PM
Feb 2013

They must be doing something very special with those animals to justify the expense.

It could be similar with American Wagyu beef that's being raised in parts of the United States. It's very labor intensive and costly to produce well-marbled beef humanely. Snake River Farms in Oregon sells two petite fillet mignons for $80. It's not for everyone. Nor should it be.

In my neck of the woods we have many producers selling Cabernet Sauvignon for over $100 a bottle. These are small productions, from small vineyards, utilizing labor-intensive techniques and expensive equipment. It's very rare wine and very distinctive. And it's not for everyone either.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
9. the prices don't have to come down in this neighborhood...
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:15 PM
Feb 2013

it's a very very wealthy community.

So sure, they're fine where they are.

trof

(54,256 posts)
12. I have a different take on 'affordability': The Shrimp Cocktail
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:06 PM
Feb 2013

When my daughter was 9 or 10 and the family went to a restaurant for dinner, her absolutely favorite thing was a shrimp cocktail.

One evening about 30 years ago we dined at a relatively upscale spot and of course she wanted a shrimp cocktail.
I don't remember what the price was, but it was outrageous.
OK, we were in St. Louis and I know they don't grow a lot of shrimp around there, but the price was just WAY too high.

I told her she couldn't have one that night and explained why.
I was an airline pilot and making pretty good bucks.
(This was back in the olden days. )
I told her that we although could easily AFFORD to buy her the shrimp cocktail, at that price we were being ripped off big time.
Bless her heart, she understood what I was saying and why.
Not a pout.
She had the French onion soup.


I understand what you're telling us, but I just can't understand why people would pay prices like that.
No matter how wealthy they are.



Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
14. So... Am I to believe that
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:20 PM
Feb 2013

in St. Louis: Shrimp, from the Gulf Coast is somehow more expensive than soup from France?

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
13. This may help...
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:18 PM
Feb 2013

In my area(south east PA) I have a delivery service that sources produce, meats, milk, eggs, etc from local farms. The company that I have been dealing with is a little mom and pop and they are fantastic. You know exactly where everything you buy comes from.

I buy organic / no hormone / no antibiotic / meats from them, and have never had an issue. As a perk, I don't have to go to the store. Downside, if it ain't in season, you have to hit the grocery store and take your chances.

That said I noticed that you mentioned Arlington, VA. Now the company that I have delivering to my house does not deliver to you, however I did notice that Washington's Green Grocer does deliver to Arlington. They source meats from quite a few of the places that my meats come from. From them you could get Turkey breast at $8.90 a pound or whole chickens for $4.50 a pound, and that is delivered to your door.

Your delivery day would be on Wednesdays.

www.washingtonsgreengrocer.com, run by Lisa and Zeke.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
16. I'm not in Arlington -- I'm about an hour away in a more rural area
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:10 PM
Feb 2013

but I'll definitely check them out.

Thanks!

 
26. Yikes, that's expensive!
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:36 PM
Feb 2013

Those turkeys and chicken had better be the best in the world to justify such prices.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
27. I am paying 4.00 for organic beef
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:39 PM
Feb 2013

but that is "hanging weight" for a 400# beef side
of which maybe 200 # will be usable meat
but includes the bones ( cut and wrapped separately)
plus I have to pay an additional 131.00 for the butcher fee
so added up I am close to paying 10.00 a # for year's supply of organic lean beef.

but you know what?
A year's supply of beef from the store will cost more than that, and for less flavor, less quality.
And my beef farmer will deliver the wrapped meat from the butcher to me.

Another farm about 50.00 miles away sells organic pork, chops are 7.00 a pound.
I don't buy from him, but he makes a killing taking pork and chicken to an outdoor market in Pensacola.


Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
28. I'm lucky to be in an agricultural state near a food co-op
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:42 PM
Feb 2013

I get organic, humanely raised meat for prices that are comparable or sometimes only slightly higher than those for supermarket meat.

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