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alarimer

(16,245 posts)
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 06:53 PM Mar 2013

Got "counseled" today at work

The step before they give you a bad evaluation.

Apparently I have made too many mistakes. I admit to all of them. Ever since I got here, I've felt out of my element and over my head. In my defense, the last few months have been personally very trying as well. And I know it has affected my performance. I've tried not to let it, but it seeps in somehow. Mostly my mistakes were due to a lack of preparation. And so much of my job is things that I have never done before.

Still I feel like shit. I've been convinced for some time that moving here was a huge mistake on many levels. Right now, though, I can't even apply for anything else until I start to do better, because I don't want a bad reference.

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Got "counseled" today at work (Original Post) alarimer Mar 2013 OP
Hugs to you, my dear alarimer... CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2013 #1
Thanks alarimer Mar 2013 #2
You have mail. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2013 #3
Hang in there! Denis 11 Mar 2013 #4
Thank alarimer Mar 2013 #5
Don't worry about a reference Paulie Mar 2013 #6
Ditto this!! A bad reference isn't a death sentence..... lastlib Mar 2013 #19
Hoping for better days ahead Helen Reddy Mar 2013 #7
Unfortunately it only makes me more likely to skip the gym. alarimer Mar 2013 #13
They probably won't give you a bad reference union_maid Mar 2013 #8
I guess I'm thinking of the place on an application where they ask if they can contact this employer alarimer Mar 2013 #15
As someone else mentioned, many companies no longer provide references of any sort. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #24
I'd consider delete Facebook altogether, but I hear that's a negative as well alarimer Mar 2013 #26
I second that emotion--IME most employers are afraid of lawsuits in regards to bad references. raccoon Mar 2013 #22
^^^^ Yep. Moondog Mar 2013 #9
Hang in there XRubicon Mar 2013 #10
I hope I can do this. alarimer Mar 2013 #20
Why are you staying? Why not start immediately looking for a new job or move back to the old job? riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #11
All this is true. alarimer Mar 2013 #14
I'm worried about you... riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #17
I have had a hard time recently. alarimer Mar 2013 #18
It's really hard to perform under the gun like that Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #12
Go here Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 2013 #16
Pull a "Fight Club" NightWatcher Mar 2013 #21
good luck to you NewJeffCT Mar 2013 #23
FWIW.. sendero Mar 2013 #25
When I hired someone, I had to ask a few questions about their performance. alarimer Mar 2013 #27

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
2. Thanks
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 06:59 PM
Mar 2013

I know tomorrow I'll feel better and I should just use this as an opportunity, but right now I want to crawl under a rock.

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
6. Don't worry about a reference
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:50 PM
Mar 2013

Get out and find something more suitable. It will drive you mad otherwise and make yourself sick.

Leaving by choice is always a better option but have something lined up first. Start looking now dont wait.

Good luck!

lastlib

(23,246 posts)
19. Ditto this!! A bad reference isn't a death sentence.....
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 09:53 PM
Mar 2013

but sticking with an unfulfilling job is!! You can overcome a bad reference. Get out while it's still your choice.

 

Helen Reddy

(998 posts)
7. Hoping for better days ahead
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:58 PM
Mar 2013

for you.

I don't want to tell you how to live your life but, during these challenging times, please take care of yourself. Eat well, get enough sleep, exercise and curl up to your favorite snuggle bunny.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
13. Unfortunately it only makes me more likely to skip the gym.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:35 PM
Mar 2013

I went today for the first time since Saturday but gave up after 15 minutes. And I stress-eat.

union_maid

(3,502 posts)
8. They probably won't give you a bad reference
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:03 PM
Mar 2013

Most companies have a policy of just verifying dates of employment nowadays. Too much potential for a lawsuit if they say more, so most won't say anything good or bad. Move on as soon as you can. People make mistakes. Life's too short to let a decision that didn't work out make you miserable one minute longer than necessary.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
15. I guess I'm thinking of the place on an application where they ask if they can contact this employer
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:38 PM
Mar 2013

I've never been called for my employees who've moved on, so maybe they don't always call. Personal references are a different matter.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
24. As someone else mentioned, many companies no longer provide references of any sort.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:50 AM
Mar 2013

Although it's legally possible to give a bad reference (as long as you can back it up with an ironclad paperwork trail), alot of places won't take that chance. They'll just verify dates of employment, positions held, salary, etc. It seems like companies that are hiring know this, so they're finding other sources for background on applicants. This can include criminal history, social media, credit reports, and possibly other methods. If you complete and sign an application, you may be giving your consent to allow them to gather this data on you.

If you are really concerned about it, you could include your current employer's name, with a notation requesting that they not be contacted unless a job offer is forthcoming. They may or may not agree to it, but it's worth a shot.

As an aside, you should also clean up any social accounts like facebook, twitter, etc. that you may have. It's amazing the negative stuff people will put online - if I'm considering hiring you, and I see on your facebook that you are out getting wasted 3-4 nights a week, you are probably not going any further in the process. It may seem unfair, but that's how things are these days.

Good luck.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
26. I'd consider delete Facebook altogether, but I hear that's a negative as well
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:31 PM
Mar 2013

So I just keep it locked down so no one but my friends can see it. Or I hope so anyway.

I do some hiring, but I don't plan on Googling anyone or checking their Facebook. Ever. Unless my boss makes me. I think it's wrong and a violation of privacy.

raccoon

(31,111 posts)
22. I second that emotion--IME most employers are afraid of lawsuits in regards to bad references.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:10 AM
Mar 2013

Hang in there and try to give yourself grace.

I was in a state similar to yours when I changed jobs just a little over a year ago. Took me a while to adjust to my job.

What helped me immeasurably was being able to talk to trusted friends about things that were bugging me, and get their input.

XRubicon

(2,212 posts)
10. Hang in there
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:13 PM
Mar 2013

I don't know what you do but if it involves doing new things alot I think you should work on a method.

Don't let them get you down, let this motivate you and plan your move out of there on your terms if that's what you want.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
20. I hope I can do this.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 11:18 PM
Mar 2013

At this point, I'd just like to improve enough to avoid the "less than good" rating which triggers a performance improvement plan and other nonsense. I have a couple of months yet.

I feel like I need to at least get to a place where I can consider myself a modest success at this job, where I'd be moving on on my terms, not because I had no choice, and feel like I've accomplished something.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
11. Why are you staying? Why not start immediately looking for a new job or move back to the old job?
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:21 PM
Mar 2013


I'm not understanding why you believe you have to persist... until you are fired?

FWIW, I don't think they'll give you a bad reference - virtually every employer now simply confirms employment dates or they face a fat lawsuit anymore. If its because you think you need a "full year" on your resume, I'm not so sure you'll make it if you are this miserable. It will be far worse if you're fired.

Be upfront in interviews - that you moved to the area and made a mistake and now you want to move back...





alarimer

(16,245 posts)
14. All this is true.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:37 PM
Mar 2013

I don't want to go back to what I did before. This was what I thought I wanted and I might have been okay at it, and I might still be, but for some personal adversity that has definitely affected my performance.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
17. I'm worried about you...
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:51 PM
Mar 2013


Your posts sound like you're miserable. I know you've said before you don't like the area at all which is why I thought that maybe moving BACK to somewhere you like where some friends are located might help.

Please take care of yourself. I hope you find a way out of this soon.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
18. I have had a hard time recently.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 09:02 PM
Mar 2013

I really don't have any ties anywhere.

I broke up with someone months ago, though we are on speaking terms now.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
25. FWIW..
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 11:02 AM
Mar 2013

.... most companies will not divulge ANY information regarding job performance per se. Most are allowed to answer these questions only:

1) dates employment began and ended
2) salary(sometimes)
3) eligible for rehire

Obviously if the "eligible for rehire" is no then that raises some questions. But only a rogue employee looking to lose his own job would offer an opinion on job performance, many companies have had their asses sued off over than one so most have a policy of not commenting.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
27. When I hired someone, I had to ask a few questions about their performance.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:33 PM
Mar 2013

Just a checklist whether something, like teamwork, was above or below average. No open-ended questions, though.

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