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corkhead

(6,119 posts)
Sat May 18, 2013, 11:41 PM May 2013

Ok, here is your chance to come clean; who do you have on ignore and why.

this is an offshoot of this very interesting and entertaining discussion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022863806

I'll start. Much to my surprise, I am not ignored by anyone at the time of this post. I don't expect that to last long because of the nature of this thread, but so be it.

I am not using the ignore feature on anyone currently. I did use ignore during the 2008 primaries because I did find some people quite ignore worthy, but they were all paroled once the candidate was determined and primary season was over. I for some reason take pride in not having to ignore anyone, and aside from some occasional snark, I try to be civil.

Ok everyone, I am not totally sure what I am getting myself into here, but it's time to ask - who are you ignoring?

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Ok, here is your chance to come clean; who do you have on ignore and why. (Original Post) corkhead May 2013 OP
I ignore no member, but a bunch are ignoring me. NYC_SKP May 2013 #1
I'll post this again... corkhead May 2013 #6
I too try not to ignore anyone. If I have to I do. Then I go in every few months and take them applegrove May 2013 #11
take it as a badge of honor, NYC_SKIP Skittles May 2013 #32
*takes a bow* NYC_SKP May 2013 #55
don't you just love that? Skittles May 2013 #71
I Ignore No One - 14 Are Ignoring Me cantbeserious May 2013 #2
I have no one on ignore HarveyDarkey May 2013 #3
Besides you? pinboy3niner May 2013 #4
I'm with NYC_SKP..... CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #5
Soul mates, I tell ya! NYC_SKP May 2013 #7
We ARE! CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #9
I'm embarrassed; maybe I am not doing enough to stir up shit on this site: corkhead May 2013 #10
I would not worry about it if I were you... CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #13
If it'll make you feel better I can alert on some of your posts pinboy3niner May 2013 #19
Be my guest, my dear pinboy3niner! CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #24
Me? Alert on the Princess of Sweetness? pinboy3niner May 2013 #25
I would hope you wouldn't! CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #26
Indubitably! pinboy3niner May 2013 #29
LOVE that movie! CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #30
I'll name them if others do first BainsBane May 2013 #8
am I one of them, BainsBane? Skittles May 2013 #33
Nope BainsBane May 2013 #36
YEE HAW! Skittles May 2013 #37
I'm considering your offer OmahaBlueDog May 2013 #85
I have no problem naming BainsBane May 2013 #86
Same here - I've never had one hidden OmahaBlueDog May 2013 #87
I can tell you subject matter BainsBane May 2013 #88
Meta OmahaBlueDog May 2013 #105
The last person I added BainsBane May 2013 #12
I've a whole bunch on mail ignore as use that to track people uppityperson May 2013 #14
So what happens if one of those people try to PM you? BainsBane May 2013 #15
I won't get mail if someone on mail ignore sends me a pm. I don't fret it as don't really care to uppityperson May 2013 #16
DEATH THREATS? Skittles May 2013 #34
Skittles, MIRT needs you. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #41
I cannot join MIRT I tell you Skittles May 2013 #45
Skittles, you'd kick ass on MIRT OhioChick May 2013 #63
Nah, that's not really what the job is. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #68
Do you take requests? BainsBane May 2013 #89
Free Bird! Warren DeMontague May 2013 #90
Actually BainsBane May 2013 #91
I don't have a posse, so I can't really speak for anyone but myself. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #93
I have asked BainsBane May 2013 #95
I hear you. FWIW, I'm trying too. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #96
Thanks BainsBane May 2013 #97
Right on. Same to you. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #98
Where do you live? BainsBane May 2013 #99
Yes. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #100
It is a zombie that has had thousands of accounts on DU over the yrs and all across the uppityperson May 2013 #65
Aye Warren DeMontague May 2013 #94
Death threat guy? BainsBane May 2013 #102
Yup, my bestest buddy I like to ban went through a phase of signing up with uppityperson May 2013 #104
I have 12 DUers on mail ignore, no one is on full ignore. MIRT taught me that. In_The_Wind May 2013 #43
how does that track anyone? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 #46
I have three on ignore. a la izquierda May 2013 #17
No one, although--- AmyDeLune May 2013 #18
I ignore people who irritate me in very minor ways. hunter May 2013 #20
Well, that's...counterintuitive pinboy3niner May 2013 #22
I do that too. wildeyed May 2013 #53
I'm pleading the 5th on this. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #21
I'LL KICK LADY FREEDOM ASS AND MAKE HER 'FESS UP Skittles May 2013 #70
Yipe!! Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #78
At the moment, I am ignoring NYC_SKP, applegrove, cantbeserious, HarveyDarkey, petronius May 2013 #23
"Ignore" is a foreign concept to me. I always wondered what happens. Do responses just not appear? nolabear May 2013 #27
Yes, they just don't appear BainsBane May 2013 #28
Sonofabitch. Learn something every day. To everyone who has me on ignore: nolabear May 2013 #31
I have never ignored anyone and have no idea how many ignore me question everything May 2013 #35
I have no one on ignore DFW May 2013 #38
I guess I'll be the first one to actually say Dragonbreathp9d May 2013 #39
I have a whole page of people on ignore olddots May 2013 #40
No one. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #42
if That would be Meta, what is This? Tuesday Afternoon May 2013 #51
Years ago I would ignore some DUers but they left DU. In_The_Wind May 2013 #44
Yes! femmocrat May 2013 #47
Everyone who posted in this thread. davidthegnome May 2013 #48
You asked too late... Flying Squirrel May 2013 #49
I'd like to know which 5 star members are ignoring "The DUzy Awards." Flying Squirrel May 2013 #50
No one! ohiosmith May 2013 #52
What is MIRT? ConcernedCanuk May 2013 #54
MIRt = Malicious Intruder Removal team, Tuesday Afternoon May 2013 #60
I put all the cheesy muthafuckas on total and complete Ignore. Tuesday Afternoon May 2013 #56
I have fewer on ignore than are ignoring me. femmocrat May 2013 #57
We watched for that 1 block mail after Jeff R joined. In_The_Wind May 2013 #58
Oh..... OK. Thanks! femmocrat May 2013 #59
No one... I did have one on ignore Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #61
I don't have anybody on ignore. I've had people be rude to me but ... BlueJazz May 2013 #62
I would love to know who is ignoring me and why. hrmjustin May 2013 #64
I ignore no one cliffordu May 2013 #66
I have one on ignore. winter is coming May 2013 #67
STOP IT WINTER IS COMING Skittles May 2013 #69
lol graywarrior May 2013 #72
I only have one person on ignore and it's because alsame May 2013 #73
i've got two on ignore MrsBrady May 2013 #74
I am ignoring none and no one is ignoring me mvd May 2013 #75
No one. MrSlayer May 2013 #76
I have no one on ignore, no one bothers me that much MrScorpio May 2013 #77
I have 14 people on ignore right now susanr516 May 2013 #79
Nobody. LWolf May 2013 #80
I have this guy named corkhead on ignore. Dash87 May 2013 #81
For some reason I put this person on my ignore list... Make7 May 2013 #83
I'm ignoring threads started by the following people: Make7 May 2013 #82
No one. nt hack89 May 2013 #84
I couldn't take it pscot May 2013 #92
I had the same problem, but... TreasonousBastard May 2013 #101
Not ignoring anyone. 2 people ignoring me. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #103

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
6. I'll post this again...
Sat May 18, 2013, 11:49 PM
May 2013

“A real DUer is not measured by how much he or she Ignores but how much he or she is Ignored by others.”

applegrove

(118,778 posts)
11. I too try not to ignore anyone. If I have to I do. Then I go in every few months and take them
Sat May 18, 2013, 11:57 PM
May 2013

off ignore. I'm trying to be open and live and let live.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
55. *takes a bow*
Sun May 19, 2013, 09:36 AM
May 2013

I checked, it's more like 49 ignoring, 52 blocking PMs.

As if I had time to send PMs to the ignorant.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,699 posts)
5. I'm with NYC_SKP.....
Sat May 18, 2013, 11:49 PM
May 2013

I have no one on ignore, and around 20-22 have me on ignore or blocked from sending PM's.



corkhead

(6,119 posts)
10. I'm embarrassed; maybe I am not doing enough to stir up shit on this site:
Sat May 18, 2013, 11:55 PM
May 2013

granted I don't post nearly as often as many, so I don't have nearly the opportunity to offend as others.

Information on my Transparency page is currently not displayed to other logged-in members because I have had fewer than five posts hidden by Jury in the last 90 days.

My posts hidden by Jury in the last 90 days: 0
Days since last hidden post: Never
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Number of Star members ignoring me: 0
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CaliforniaPeggy

(149,699 posts)
13. I would not worry about it if I were you...
Sat May 18, 2013, 11:58 PM
May 2013

I don't see our purpose here to stir the shit, but to shed light and caring into the lives of others.

Someday, someone will take offense at something you said, and then you'll be on ignore. It most likely will happen eventually.

We have opinions and not everyone will like them, or us.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
19. If it'll make you feel better I can alert on some of your posts
Sun May 19, 2013, 12:48 AM
May 2013

Who knows? We might get lucky and you'll get some hidden. If we're REALLY lucky, you might even get PPR'd!







OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
85. I'm considering your offer
Mon May 20, 2013, 10:50 PM
May 2013

15 ignore me, and I have 15 on ignore. I am 90% sure I know who two of the posters ignoring me are.

I used to have a no-ignore policy. Then came Meta. Now that Meta is done, I may reconsider about 4/5 of my ignore list.

If we named names, what would we hope to gain? Dialog? Closure? Agreement?

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
86. I have no problem naming
Mon May 20, 2013, 10:51 PM
May 2013

I just don't want to have a post hidden. I suppose the point is to find out who has you on ignore. Someone told me today they just took me off ignore. I myself added two more today. I generally reserve ignore for people who prefer personal attacks to substantive conversation.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
88. I can tell you subject matter
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:00 PM
May 2013

When I first joined, I resisted ignore for a long time. But you may recall Meta got pretty heated, and I accumulated some enemies, particularly on issues relating to sexism. (hint hint). I had quite a sizable ignore list for a while. It was probably close to 20 at one point. It made things awkward because I couldn't see responses in subthreads. So I cleared out my list except for two members I'd recently battled with (Islamophobes). Now, I've been making a concerted effort to be much more agreeable personally, but that doesn't mean I believe any less strongly in my views, and I'm not afraid to state them. Some members, however, resent strongly the fact I am on DU and do everything in their power to point out what a reprehensible human being they think I am. I just added one back right now. The hint is he hijacked a very recent thread of mine in GD. So basically I've hidden people for nasty personal attacks or Islamophobia. Throw in some sexists and rape apologists, and that's my list.

Your turn.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
105. Meta
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:51 AM
May 2013

Many posters in Meta became flaming pains in the backside, and I just ceased wanting to deal with them. Ditto the multitude of HoF squabbles that spilled into Meta. Meta is the source of 90% of my ignore list. Not because of attacks on me, per se (As OmahaBlueDog, I'm sometimes amazed I don't have 100 people ignoring me here), but because I just got sick of reading the same insufferable posts every day.

uppityperson

(115,679 posts)
14. I've a whole bunch on mail ignore as use that to track people
Sat May 18, 2013, 11:58 PM
May 2013

Being on MIRT, it gave me a way to mark someone to check out along the way. So, I've a bunch on mail ignore. I put 1 person on ignore today to take a break from her for a bit, but imagine I'll take her off soon.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
15. So what happens if one of those people try to PM you?
Sun May 19, 2013, 12:00 AM
May 2013

You won't receive the mail. Isn't that a problem when you're on MIRT? I think they need to give you all a better way to track people.

uppityperson

(115,679 posts)
16. I won't get mail if someone on mail ignore sends me a pm. I don't fret it as don't really care to
Sun May 19, 2013, 12:07 AM
May 2013

get the nasty death threat. Most those on my mail ignore I am fine not getting mail from. There are ways to track people in MIRT, it is just what I used in addition since we don't have the buddy list thing anymore.

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
45. I cannot join MIRT I tell you
Sun May 19, 2013, 06:36 AM
May 2013

I would just get plain vicious; I cannot STAND babysitting so-called adults

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
68. Nah, that's not really what the job is.
Sun May 19, 2013, 04:02 PM
May 2013

It's more like just pressing a button and zapping.

It can be quite rewarding.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
90. Free Bird!
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:29 PM
May 2013

Actually, yeah, you can PM me- or any other current MIRT member- if you spot someone, er, questionable.

Bear in mind what MIRT does and doesn't do- namely, MIRT basically deals with people who just showed up. Folks -and lord knows everyone who hangs out here long term gets this urge- who have signed up thinking they could axe their long-time DU nemeses have been sadly disappointed.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
93. I don't have a posse, so I can't really speak for anyone but myself.
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:52 PM
May 2013

Pretty much everyone here I've disagreed with over something, at some point.

But if you're having problems with someone, you can always take it to admin. Or just ask 'em to lay off.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
95. I have asked
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:54 PM
May 2013

the people in question, and I don't think the administrators care (other than hiding one signature line). So I'm back to ignore. The thing is I've been trying much harder to get along with people. I haven't had a thread hidden in 51 days, but some people hold on to grudges.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
96. I hear you. FWIW, I'm trying too.
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:59 PM
May 2013

And I didn't mean to sound unsympathetic, I know you had a crap weekend. I hope the car damage isn't too bad.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
97. Thanks
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:08 AM
May 2013

The car is running so the damage appears to be just cosmetic. My dad cautioned me to be sure to get it fixed because water and salt will get in the bullet holes and rust the body. The claims agent comes to look at it tomorrow.

I have to say I've enjoyed getting to know you a bit and putting our disagreements in the past. I appreciate your willingness to do that

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
98. Right on. Same to you.
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:11 AM
May 2013

Your Dad is right--- salt eats cars like nobody's business. At least we're heading into summer, now.

One thing we don't have to worry about so much here, although on the rare occasions it actually does snow, everyone freaks out and no one knows what to do.

uppityperson

(115,679 posts)
65. It is a zombie that has had thousands of accounts on DU over the yrs and all across the
Sun May 19, 2013, 02:42 PM
May 2013

internets. For some reason he took a dislike to me after I banned him around 30 times one weekend after taking him on as a hobby. He is a real jerk but what he posts is pretty much the same, copy/pasted, for several years.

uppityperson

(115,679 posts)
104. Yup, my bestest buddy I like to ban went through a phase of signing up with
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:28 AM
May 2013

Threatening usernames too. Wish he'd get a different hobby.

a la izquierda

(11,797 posts)
17. I have three on ignore.
Sun May 19, 2013, 12:35 AM
May 2013

Mostly immigration related stuff...I think. I only have one ignoring me, and I couldn't care who it is

AmyDeLune

(1,846 posts)
18. No one, although---
Sun May 19, 2013, 12:40 AM
May 2013

I've thought about it on occasion, when I get tired of reading the same thing over and over from one poster or someone just pisses me off...but I'm just too curious to not know what someone is writing.

...though I see someone has me on ignore...

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
53. I do that too.
Sun May 19, 2013, 08:59 AM
May 2013

I ignore people who post often, but something about either the topics or the format they choose to post in is annoying. Also, I ignore people who are very rude. I guess I should alert, but I hate the drama that evolves around that. I am fine with disagreeing, even vehemently, on a topic and won't ignore based on that so long as the other poster is using logical arguments and following board guidelines.

petronius

(26,603 posts)
23. At the moment, I am ignoring NYC_SKP, applegrove, cantbeserious, HarveyDarkey,
Sun May 19, 2013, 01:41 AM
May 2013

inboy3niner, CaliforniaPeggy, BainsBane, uppityperson, a la izquierda, AmyDeLune, hunter, and Lady Freedom Returns.

Why is this thread so empty?

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
27. "Ignore" is a foreign concept to me. I always wondered what happens. Do responses just not appear?
Sun May 19, 2013, 01:58 AM
May 2013

And what about responses to those responses? Are whole threads and subthreads lost? Man, I am WAY too nosey for that!

(And to all who have me on ignore... )

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
28. Yes, they just don't appear
Sun May 19, 2013, 02:05 AM
May 2013

and a subthread started by someone on your ignore list doesn't appear. If someone you have on ignore responds to one of your posts, your my post tab still lights up, but when you click on the number it says you have the person on ignore.

question everything

(47,534 posts)
35. I have never ignored anyone and have no idea how many ignore me
Sun May 19, 2013, 02:35 AM
May 2013

could not care less.

I've always viewed DU as a place for like minded (more or less) individuals who exchange ideas and ask questions and to even change one's mind.

If I disagree with someone, I'd rather post my opinion. If I decided that such a debate is a lost cause, I just stopped reading.

Granted, I used to spend a lot more time here reading and caring about a lot more topics. Not anymore. Life is getting too short.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
38. I have no one on ignore
Sun May 19, 2013, 02:45 AM
May 2013

I don't even know how to do it--or why I would bother to do it. I can ignore a post or a poster without doing so mechanically, and besides, you never know when even someone you consider a dork might post something interesting.

One "star member" has me on ignore. I don't know why. I don't care. My only regret is the time I wasted finding out.

Dragonbreathp9d

(2,542 posts)
39. I guess I'll be the first one to actually say
Sun May 19, 2013, 03:26 AM
May 2013

I have only one on ignore BantheGOP, can't even remember why I know it's been over a year

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
40. I have a whole page of people on ignore
Sun May 19, 2013, 03:46 AM
May 2013

they only post in a recurring topic and I'm sure they want to be ignored .When and if I see their names in other topics I take them off ignore.

i'm getting intolerant in my old age and it sucks. Ignoring on line is a very odd game we play.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
42. No one.
Sun May 19, 2013, 04:50 AM
May 2013

of course, this being the lounge, no one is going to actually admit to anyone that they really have on ignore.

That would be meta.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
48. Everyone who posted in this thread.
Sun May 19, 2013, 08:28 AM
May 2013

Including myself. Seriously, can you put yourself on ignore? That would be kind of funny.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
49. You asked too late...
Sun May 19, 2013, 08:31 AM
May 2013

Every once in awhile I start ignoring people, but something always makes me clear the list. Guess I just hate to think I might be missing something.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
54. What is MIRT?
Sun May 19, 2013, 09:31 AM
May 2013

.
.
.

I see it mentioned more than once in here, and am curious.

oh - on topic,

I have none on ignore,

but some have me on ignore

as of today:

Number of Star members ignoring me: 6
Number of Star members blocking mail from me (including members ignoring me): 7

Been that way for awhile.

CC

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
57. I have fewer on ignore than are ignoring me.
Sun May 19, 2013, 10:19 AM
May 2013

I have no idea.

Someone has me on "block mail" and I have only sent about two emails since I have been a member.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
58. We watched for that 1 block mail after Jeff R joined.
Sun May 19, 2013, 10:31 AM
May 2013

It showed up at the same time as the 10th post with a info from DU PM Cannot reply to automated messages. IMO: it is part of DU's program.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
61. No one... I did have one on ignore
Sun May 19, 2013, 11:22 AM
May 2013

who had told me she was placing me on her ignore list. It seemed appropriate, at the time, to reciprocate. I was very new to DU back then. Recently, I removed her from my list. There are 16 ignoring me... don't know who, other than her, don't care who.

I am beginning to wonder why this is such a hot topic these day. There was a thread in GD that had over 300 posts the last time I saw it.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
62. I don't have anybody on ignore. I've had people be rude to me but ...
Sun May 19, 2013, 11:25 AM
May 2013

...I figure they're just having a bad day.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
64. I would love to know who is ignoring me and why.
Sun May 19, 2013, 02:41 PM
May 2013

Love to know what I said to to 15 people to not like me.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
66. I ignore no one
Sun May 19, 2013, 02:49 PM
May 2013

I'm being ignored by 28 or 30.....it fluctuates.... Dunno why....

Ignoring people on a web discussion board seems a little.......weak.....

alsame

(7,784 posts)
73. I only have one person on ignore and it's because
Sun May 19, 2013, 05:42 PM
May 2013

they consistently disrupt threads with snark without adding anything at all to the discussion. It's been happening for years and obviously won't change.

One person is ignoring me

MrsBrady

(4,187 posts)
74. i've got two on ignore
Sun May 19, 2013, 06:57 PM
May 2013

only because they post SO much that I miss other posts...
it has nothing to do with them personally.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
75. I am ignoring none and no one is ignoring me
Sun May 19, 2013, 07:14 PM
May 2013

Controversy just isn't my thing. I have some strong opinions but rarely argue about things.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
76. No one.
Sun May 19, 2013, 07:23 PM
May 2013

There are a few people I find mildly annoying but there isn't really anything anyone can say that would make me ignore them. I find the idea childish and silly.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
77. I have no one on ignore, no one bothers me that much
Sun May 19, 2013, 08:19 PM
May 2013

Thirty-three people, however, are ignoring me.

So be it.

susanr516

(1,425 posts)
79. I have 14 people on ignore right now
Sun May 19, 2013, 08:55 PM
May 2013

I review my list about once every 6 months. Half of the ones are on my list permanently; the other half, I will probably take off soon.

Of course, I'm not a star member, so my ignore list isn't included in anyone's total.

Make7

(8,543 posts)
83. For some reason I put this person on my ignore list...
Mon May 20, 2013, 10:14 PM
May 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&id=100801

... but for the life of me I cannot recall why...
[font color="#ffffff"]Not really - that's you! Whoever you are that clicked the link![/font]

Make7

(8,543 posts)
82. I'm ignoring threads started by the following people:
Mon May 20, 2013, 10:14 PM
May 2013
DainBramaged and graham4anything, but I am not using the DU Full Ignore or Block Mail functions for anyone.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
92. I couldn't take it
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:35 PM
May 2013

When i used ignore, people would be referring to post #7, or 13, and I couldn't fnd them. Drove me nuts. Now I just move on.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
101. I had the same problem, but...
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:49 AM
May 2013

then I realized anyone who would refer to a post I had ignored is worth ignoring himself.

Then my ignore list got so big I didn't see anything. It was peaceful for a while.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
103. Not ignoring anyone. 2 people ignoring me.
Tue May 21, 2013, 01:24 AM
May 2013

I think one of them is somebody I snapped at once in exasperation. Which I know isn't the most constructive response, even to stupid comments, but it does get tiresome when certain subjects can't even be discussed without someone taking things personally.

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