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Kali

(55,014 posts)
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:47 PM Jan 2012

sort of a lounge meta thread re: medical advice

there have been a few posts and alerts concerning medical advice here and at least one lock that I know of.

for what it is worth I had started a thread in the hosts forum about this when I got one of my very first alerts after becoming a lounge host. On DU2 medical advice was not allowed. DU3 is to set our own standards. Personally I don't have a problem with minor discussions. We are all adults and everybody I know has these conversations in real life. If you are susceptable to taking crappy advice without checking it out thouroughly I doubt censoring these kinds of topics on one website is going to help.

in the host forum thread several people said we should keep the old DU rule so I don't want to imply there was a consensus, however Skinner did weigh in and wrote that the particular thread under discussion was fine to leave open and upon questioning about what medical topic would need to be acted on replied

"If someone is having chest pains, or of they have a gunshot wound, or some other life-threatening emergency, tell them to call 911."


Now what do you all think?

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sort of a lounge meta thread re: medical advice (Original Post) Kali Jan 2012 OP
There are medical professionals here who I believe are very cautious to avoid dispensing of advice.. hlthe2b Jan 2012 #1
I admit to dispensing medical advice in open forums. Aristus Jan 2012 #2
I pretty much see it the way you do, Kali. GoCubsGo Jan 2012 #3
BTW, I feel the same about veterinary advice. GoCubsGo Jan 2012 #5
There are others... Many veterinarians are extremely cautious because owner assessments hlthe2b Jan 2012 #7
I alerted on that thread. Ptah Jan 2012 #4
which thread? hlthe2b Jan 2012 #8
This one: Ptah Jan 2012 #10
fine to establish the threshold, but this is a pretty clear request for common ailment "lay" help.. hlthe2b Jan 2012 #11
I wasn't lobbying to have it hidden. nt Ptah Jan 2012 #12
I know... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #14
My thread saying I felt a cold coming on got locked. undeterred Jan 2012 #13
Really? hlthe2b Jan 2012 #15
Yes. undeterred Jan 2012 #16
and it was done by a new host who didn't see my thread in the host group until it was already locked Kali Jan 2012 #17
It was locked by LynneSin undeterred Jan 2012 #18
exactly! Kali Jan 2012 #20
Ah, I was wondering why Applegrove hadn't replied to my experience. So it got locked, I guess. freshwest Jan 2012 #26
It hasn't been locked. And it should not be. Ptah Jan 2012 #28
The internet is a great place to get medical advice.... Scuba Jan 2012 #6
Sometimes the advice someone is looking for is "Go see a doctor" hedgehog Jan 2012 #9
Many of us have no insurance and no job so going to a doctor undeterred Jan 2012 #21
+1 freshwest Jan 2012 #27
"My advice to you is to start drinking heavily." is my usual reply. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #19
Thanks for the info on NIH - I didn't know they had hedgehog Jan 2012 #22
Some links... HopeHoops Jan 2012 #24
I follow the advice I learned in The Jerk (1979) pokerfan Jan 2012 #23
They forgot to tell him to watch where he puts his "special purpose". HopeHoops Jan 2012 #25
I'm with the common-sense approaches stated by both you & Skinner. pacalo Jan 2012 #29

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
1. There are medical professionals here who I believe are very cautious to avoid dispensing of advice..
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:54 PM
Jan 2012

That said, the lay discussions regarding OTC and other basic interventions for common ailments should be perfectly acceptable. I think most DUers can recognize when something is getting into a higher "risk" territory or suggests a more serious problem and will back off appropriately.

Aristus

(66,386 posts)
2. I admit to dispensing medical advice in open forums.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:00 PM
Jan 2012

It is always on the topic of conservative management of non-life-threatening conditions. However, I will stop offering advice if it is causing trouble. If anyone wants my professional assessment and/or opinion, they can PM me with their question.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
3. I pretty much see it the way you do, Kali.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:02 PM
Jan 2012

If someone is seeking advice that obviously requires a doctor for diagnosis or treatment, most of the posters usually say, "Go to the doctor." I don't have a problem with posts, such as "I have pain from XYZ. What do those of you who suffer from XYZ pain do to relieve it?" I don't have a problem with advice on common ailments, such as colds. But, obvious medical emergencies need to be locked. Ditto for those who seek diagnosis on symptoms. None of us are Bill Frist, and we are not capable of giving a definitive diagnosis over the Internet.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
5. BTW, I feel the same about veterinary advice.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:06 PM
Jan 2012

AFAIK, there is only one vet here, and she almost always advises seeing your own vet. Sometimes we can help with behavioral issues, or in coping with common illnesses, like chronic renal failure. However, a visit to the vet is usually the best thing one can do for their ailing pet.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
7. There are others... Many veterinarians are extremely cautious because owner assessments
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:10 PM
Jan 2012

can often be very different from actual signs presenting. Pediatricians encounter that as well--it just sort of goes with the territory. When the patient can't speak for themselves, a rigorous physical exam needs to accompany the reported "history" in most cases.

Ptah

(33,032 posts)
4. I alerted on that thread.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:03 PM
Jan 2012

I didn't know any other way to find out what the community standard is.

I am not suggesting they be stopped, I just wasn't sure.



hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
11. fine to establish the threshold, but this is a pretty clear request for common ailment "lay" help..
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:16 PM
Jan 2012

Particularly the part about "just beginning" to hurt-- (i.e., not increasing pain, intractable pain, or new symptoms).

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
13. My thread saying I felt a cold coming on got locked.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:22 PM
Jan 2012

Edit:

And I felt it was unfair, because since that time I've seen people ask for a lot more specific advice, get answers, and the post doesn't get locked. It feels like a lounge popularity contest when some people get their post alerted on and locked, while others don't.

Kali

(55,014 posts)
17. and it was done by a new host who didn't see my thread in the host group until it was already locked
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:31 PM
Jan 2012

and they were going by DU2 rules. I don't know if you appealed back to the host as allowed by the system but I do know that host has since resigned as they didn't want to host anymore (not because of this particular issue as far as I know, just because they prefer to participate in general and didn't want to host)

The alert on your thread was the original genisis for my thread about this issue in the hosts forum.


oh and I can probably go back and unlock that if you want? EDIT: no I can't - apparently her status as host superceded mine even after her retirement. So only a host who was before her in the list can unlock it. Or an administrator.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
18. It was locked by LynneSin
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:35 PM
Jan 2012

and I did appeal but I never heard back. Its not worth quibbling over - I did get a lot of responses before it was locked. But it certainly seems like there is no clear and agreed upon standard for what people are allowed to ask regarding medical advice.

Most people do not go to a doctor when they feel a cold coming on- they self medicate, so I feel that is within the range of what you ask on a message board. I think if you ask 10 doctors that question you will get 10 answers.

For more serious issues you ask a doctor or go to the ER.

Kali

(55,014 posts)
20. exactly!
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:51 PM
Jan 2012

"But it certainly seems like there is no clear and agreed upon standard for what people are allowed to ask regarding medical advice"

hence BOTH of my threads - this one and the one in the host forum - trying to establish the standards so we don't have things like uneven locks over threads like yours.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
26. Ah, I was wondering why Applegrove hadn't replied to my experience. So it got locked, I guess.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 07:48 PM
Jan 2012

I wasn't giving medical advice, just explaining my situation. You know, like 'do you like habanero peppers or anaheim peppers?'

People are not posting as much. I'm not posting as much either. I think as Kali says we are all adults here, we're not talking life threatening stuff.

Bluebassman just made a good bye thread here, something about not getting enough replies. I asked what was wrong but it appears he is gone.

Posting on a message board is an optional life activity and if one isn't happy with the experience naturally they will leave off doing it.

Later, I guess.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
6. The internet is a great place to get medical advice....
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:06 PM
Jan 2012

... you can get any and every medical opinion on the internet. What could be better?

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
9. Sometimes the advice someone is looking for is "Go see a doctor"
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:13 PM
Jan 2012

Oftentimes, we think our problem is too trivial to take to a doctor, or at least we're hoping it is!

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
19. "My advice to you is to start drinking heavily." is my usual reply.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:35 PM
Jan 2012

Seriously though, there's a huge difference between sharing experiences (as in "Fentanyl freaks me the fuck out and makes me vomit constantly", which is true) and telling someone to do something specific like taking forty-five ibuprofen tablets and drinking a bottle of mouth wash or something similarly dangerous. The general "advice" really is "see a doctor", but it can be helpful if you recommend a specialist like seeing an ENT for vertigo.

It can also be comforting to know that you aren't the ONLY one who gets some weird side-effect from specific drugs. There are usually alternatives available but again, talk to your doctor, but the more you know when having that conversation the better equipped you are to ask questions. For example, "will Oxycodone cause long-term hearing problems"? Answer I got: "Not with the dose you're taking." I had a terrible reaction from two incompatible medications (both prescribed) so now I look up every drug I'm prescribed for known interactions (U of M and NIH both have great sites for this). DU is a great source of knowledge, if for nothing else than to get a simple link to a reputable source or search terms you might not have considered. It is still up to each individual to weigh the integrity of whatever "advice" they receive.

So, my advice to you is to start drinking heavily.
(Damn. Now I want to watch that movie again.)

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
23. I follow the advice I learned in The Jerk (1979)
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jan 2012
Navin R. Johnson: Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
25. They forgot to tell him to watch where he puts his "special purpose".
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:16 PM
Jan 2012

"Oh, there it is, right under the 'J's."

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
29. I'm with the common-sense approaches stated by both you & Skinner.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:18 AM
Jan 2012
Personally I don't have a problem with minor discussions. We are all adults and everybody I know has these conversations in real life. If you are susceptable to taking crappy advice without checking it out thouroughly I doubt censoring these kinds of topics on one website is going to help.


and

"If someone is having chest pains, or of they have a gunshot wound, or some other life-threatening emergency, tell them to call 911."


Both say it all for me. It all boils down to personal responsibility & common sense.











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