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Why do some people put a line through the number 7? (Original Post) raccoon Oct 2013 OP
I was always taught it was the french way of doing it. I do it at times. But then applegrove Oct 2013 #1
I think it's a European thing. Adsos Letter Oct 2013 #2
Yeah, that's what I always thought, too Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #4
Interestingly, my grandmother did it dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #10
It also differentiates it from a lowercase "l" kentauros Oct 2013 #32
European CurtEastPoint Oct 2013 #3
Unless one is just a straight line, of course. Quantess Oct 2013 #15
I wish it were an American habit csziggy Oct 2013 #18
I also slash my zeros. UncleYoder Oct 2013 #5
Pretty much all numbers are indistinguishable without my glasses alarimer Oct 2013 #25
That is how I learned to write the seven. MADem Oct 2013 #6
The "thingy" on top of a numeral 1 Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #26
And those of us who learned about fonts... uriel1972 Oct 2013 #27
Graphic artists/designers, hand-drafters too kentauros Oct 2013 #34
There is also 9's written like a large small case g Paulie Oct 2013 #7
To give it seven acute angles. Scuba Oct 2013 #8
That's acute explanation. MiddleFingerMom Oct 2013 #12
THis sub-thread should have OriginalGeek Oct 2013 #16
Let me see if I have the right tool to determine that assessment: kentauros Oct 2013 #36
Figure 29. Scuba Oct 2013 #37
It's a German/European thing. Myrina Oct 2013 #9
Euro-- commonplace in Italy, Spain, France, etc. as well. nt MADem Oct 2013 #28
European thing. That's the way I was taught in Vienna. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #11
Euro thing WilmywoodNCparalegal Oct 2013 #13
i started writing them that way datasuspect Oct 2013 #14
European... MrScorpio Oct 2013 #17
European, so 7 doesn't get confused with 1. LiberalEsto Oct 2013 #19
^^This^^ Avalux Oct 2013 #20
I do it and I live in the north east. I get it from my French/Spaniard mother who JaneyVee Oct 2013 #21
I still slash my Z's in a similar fashion. Paladin Oct 2013 #22
Most of the people pipi_k Oct 2013 #23
I dash my 7's and my Z's, and close the tops of my 4's Recursion Oct 2013 #24
Habit I picked up in French class in high school. LumosMaxima Oct 2013 #29
To differentiate between a 1 and a 7 PRETZEL Oct 2013 #30
The line through it makes it look like a four if a person is not very careful with their writing. patricia92243 Oct 2013 #31
Real reson: to look like an insufferable elitist euro-snob Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #33
I started writing them like that in college. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #35
Me too... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #38
Why do some people put a line through the letter Z? Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #39
You can confuse it with 2, though. Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #42
Spend some time in Europe; the number 1 looks like 7, or sometimes LeftinOH Oct 2013 #40
I don't put lines through 7's normally, Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #41

applegrove

(118,683 posts)
1. I was always taught it was the french way of doing it. I do it at times. But then
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 01:49 PM
Oct 2013

I was in French immersion as a kid.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
2. I think it's a European thing.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 01:50 PM
Oct 2013

I first saw it when I was in Germany. I think it helps differentiate it from a "1," which tends to have a bit more exaggerated top slash in some European scripts.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
10. Interestingly, my grandmother did it
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 02:15 PM
Oct 2013

and some of my aunts (her daughters)
They were all born here, but their grandparents were not. (German/Irish).
So I remember seeing it when growing up.

Beautiful Copperplate writing, btw.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
32. It also differentiates it from a lowercase "l"
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:13 PM
Oct 2013

for serif fonts. Interestingly, some sans serif fonts still put the serifs on the "1."

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
15. Unless one is just a straight line, of course.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:28 PM
Oct 2013

If you put the little tag at the top of a one, you have to follow up with a short horizontal line at the base. 1

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
18. I wish it were an American habit
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:46 PM
Oct 2013

I do a lot of genealogy and there is a lot of confusion in old records about 1s and 7s, Os (letter) and 0s (number), etal. I really, REALLY wish the US had the convention of listing dates as day month year. For my records, I use numerical day, abbreviated month and four digit year (I.E.: 22 Oct 2013) so there is no punctuation or other symbols to confuse the issue. My MIL in her records used various ways, which gets really annoying when you realize that every date for that branch of the family has the month and day transposed.

To make it worse, many now don't know how to read cursive, especially antiques versions. I spent most of yesterday hunting records on an ancestor whose middle initial was Y - but that initial was transcribed as G, T and A. Even worse is the ancestor whose last name is Tucker - the first initial of which has been (more often than you'd expect) transcribed as F, and sometimes as L, I, or P. "Lucker" or "Pucker" I can see, but "Fucker" as a surname?

 

UncleYoder

(233 posts)
5. I also slash my zeros.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 01:59 PM
Oct 2013

We all need a way to tell if that is a 1 or a 7 or a 2.
It's a chemist's thing. Also a programmer's way of telling 0s from Os.
My problem nowadays is I can't tell my 5s from my 3s.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
25. Pretty much all numbers are indistinguishable without my glasses
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 06:00 PM
Oct 2013

We use a slash through the 7 and 0, to make it easier for data entry people.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
6. That is how I learned to write the seven.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 02:01 PM
Oct 2013

I learned in Europe.

It distinguished it from the ONE, which had a little "thingy" on the top, much like the seven, only shorter.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
26. The "thingy" on top of a numeral 1
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:47 AM
Oct 2013

is called a serif. It's one of those words that probably only a coin or stamp collector would know

WilmywoodNCparalegal

(2,654 posts)
13. Euro thing
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:01 PM
Oct 2013

That's how I was taught in Italy. Curiously, when I ended up in the middle of NC in high school, I was told not to cross my 7 because to do so was a satanic symbol (I'm not kidding). That's rural NC for ya.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
19. European, so 7 doesn't get confused with 1.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:47 PM
Oct 2013

The way most Europeans write 1 is with a long hook on the left that makes it resemble a 7.

My parents, both born and raised in Europe, always put the line in the 7. Although I was born and raised in the U.S., I learned do it that way too, but to be honest, it's just an affectation on my part.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
20. ^^This^^
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 05:01 PM
Oct 2013

And I always thought it was cool to do it when I was in school, same as drawing a line through a zero, so as not to confuse it with an O. I still do that one at work.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
21. I do it and I live in the north east. I get it from my French/Spaniard mother who
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 05:13 PM
Oct 2013

Always does it. I just do it out of habit, have been since I was a kid.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
22. I still slash my Z's in a similar fashion.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 05:19 PM
Oct 2013

A remnant of international work, years ago. My Z's will never be mistaken for 2's.....

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
24. I dash my 7's and my Z's, and close the tops of my 4's
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 05:38 PM
Oct 2013

European 1's don't have the little serif at the bottom, so people dash the 7 to distinguish it from 1. The danger is that can then look like 4.

LumosMaxima

(585 posts)
29. Habit I picked up in French class in high school.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 03:26 AM
Oct 2013

I have a friend who acquired the habit in college while studying French. I cross my Zs as well.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
30. To differentiate between a 1 and a 7
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:18 AM
Oct 2013

I do it and I'm an accountant.

Sometimes when you're writing numbers quickly, at least for me, my 1's and 7's kind of look the same.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
39. Why do some people put a line through the letter Z?
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 01:11 PM
Oct 2013

I don't see how one can confuse that with any other letter.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
40. Spend some time in Europe; the number 1 looks like 7, or sometimes
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 01:30 PM
Oct 2013

the number 1 looks more like the greek letter 'lambda'. Putting a horizontal line through the number 7 clearly distinguishes it from 1.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
41. I don't put lines through 7's normally,
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:58 AM
Oct 2013

But I do put a line through Z, I guess so it doesn't look like a 2.

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