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Is this math/geometry problem really that difficult? (OECD) (Original Post) pokerfan Dec 2013 OP
I estimate 1/6 of the circumference of the circle cyberswede Dec 2013 #1
Yeah, that's what popped in my mind just by looking at the first drawing pokerfan Dec 2013 #13
157 cm BlueJazz Dec 2013 #2
208cm? Chan790 Dec 2013 #3
I also had 209 Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #24
42 Glassunion Dec 2013 #4
Here you are with the correct answer antiquie Dec 2013 #19
I didn't even use a calculator. Took me less than 2 seconds. Glassunion Dec 2013 #21
Circumference of the entire doorway is 2*pi*r or 6.28*100 or 628 cm. Systematic Chaos Dec 2013 #5
Eyeballing from the drawing, I was thinking... Wounded Bear Dec 2013 #9
I think you're too high by 50%. Callmecrazy Dec 2013 #17
It would be uncomfortable at best to try and squeeze through a doorway only 52 cm wide... Systematic Chaos Dec 2013 #18
I rechecked my math... Callmecrazy Dec 2013 #20
Answer: live in coastal California, and never have to worry about this stuff petronius Dec 2013 #6
That might take a couple of minutes of thought if the diagram didn't make the answer struggle4progress Dec 2013 #7
99 cm. jmowreader Dec 2013 #8
I once watched a young carpenter build a spiral staircase without measuring anything. Scuba Dec 2013 #10
My brother in law could do stuff like that. cliffordu Dec 2013 #15
not enough information surrealAmerican Dec 2013 #11
209cm is my guess, but I am not very smart and math stuffs. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #12
Depends on what you mean by "difficult". Dr. Strange Dec 2013 #14
Well, the angle has to be < pi/3 radians ... eppur_se_muova Dec 2013 #16
104.72 cm arc each door XRubicon Dec 2013 #22
Pi*D/6 One_Life_To_Give Dec 2013 #23

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
1. I estimate 1/6 of the circumference of the circle
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 12:34 AM
Dec 2013

...now, I can't remember how to determine the circumference of a circle given the diameter, but the basic premise is obvious. I also haven't had geometry class since 1982.

I would expect a kid who recently had geometry in school to figure it out pretty easily.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
13. Yeah, that's what popped in my mind just by looking at the first drawing
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 12:28 PM
Dec 2013

Then I spent the next ten minutes trying to figure out if it was some kind of trick question.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
3. 208cm?
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:03 AM
Dec 2013

That's 1/3 of the circumference truncated down to the nearest centimeter minus 1cm. That should insure there is at-least one baffle between the two openings at all times.

d?=circumference

200(22/7)=628.3185307179586476925286766559<<so I don't have to retype that, this will be assigned variable (q)

q/3=209.43951023931954923084289221863

Edit: Yes, it is that hard. Please realize now why America is not producing more STEM majors and needs to instead figure out how to monetize humanities degrees and continue to import engineers.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
24. I also had 209
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 04:20 PM
Dec 2013

EDIT: nevermind....I looked at the link and saw my error in calculating

I'm just rusty...A little bit of remedial refreshers and these would be second nature to me (I hope)

And as one of the commenters mentioned, the blogger does no favors for himself calling that a "geometry" question when it is really trig...

Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
5. Circumference of the entire doorway is 2*pi*r or 6.28*100 or 628 cm.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 02:19 AM
Dec 2013

Each outer wall must be at least 1/3 the circumference, to assure that air cannot pass two of the wings at the same time.

628/3=209.33 cm, then 209.33*2 walls equals total wall circumference of 418.66 cm.

418.66 from 628 = 209.34 cm of total doorway space, or 104.67 cm each for the two openings, within one cm.

I haven't worked on anything like this since 1987, but this all seems right to me.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
9. Eyeballing from the drawing, I was thinking...
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:01 AM
Dec 2013

about one radius, or 100 cm. Not exact, of course, but an estimate.

Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
18. It would be uncomfortable at best to try and squeeze through a doorway only 52 cm wide...
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:24 PM
Dec 2013

...unless you're a child or an adult with a small frame. I'm 6'3" and in the low 300s so if I had an appointment in that building I'd say fuck it and go get some fish 'n' chips instead.

Look at my explanation again carefully. The formula for the entire circular door is 2*pi*r, and the radius of the doorway is 100 cm (or 200 cm diameter). So, 2*3.14*100=6.28*100=628 cm.

Each opening is approximately 1/6 of 628 cm; and that in fact is 60 degrees out of a 360 degree circle.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
6. Answer: live in coastal California, and never have to worry about this stuff
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 02:55 AM
Dec 2013

See, that wasn't hard at all!

(And seriously: no, I don't think that problem is too hard for anyone with a basic grounding in geometry or logical thinking. Even without remembering the formula for circumference, thinking it through should lead to 1/6 of the circle.)

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
8. 99 cm.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:48 AM
Dec 2013

One-sixth of the diameter of the circle is 104.67 cm, and just for GP let's round down to 104.

Now let's throw in a piece of information that's NOT in the question: how a revolving door is made and weatherstripped. These doors are made out of three two-inch-thick door slabs, and there's a piece of felt weatherstripping running right down the middle of each door slab. (At least that's how the only revolving door in town is made.) If you want the wind to not whip through the door assembly, you need to have half the thickness of the door slab (2.5 cm) between the gasket and the edge of the door opening on both sides of the door opening...so, take your 104cm "ideal" hole and reduce it by 5cm, leaving us a 99cm door opening.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
10. I once watched a young carpenter build a spiral staircase without measuring anything.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:01 AM
Dec 2013

It took him about half a day and when he was done, it was perfect. I'm still in awe.

Dr. Strange

(25,921 posts)
14. Depends on what you mean by "difficult".
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 12:55 PM
Dec 2013

If you mean can you come up with an acceptable answer (~105 cm), then it's moderately difficult.
If you mean can you come up with the answer, along with a good justification (i.e., show and explain all of your work), then it's fairly difficult.

We get this a lot in calculus. For example, students can tell us that a series converges, but they have a heck of a time explaining (in words, using sentences with verbs etc) why.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
16. Well, the angle has to be < pi/3 radians ...
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:52 PM
Dec 2013

So 104.7 cm = 100 cm * ? / 3 is the maximum width of the openings.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
23. Pi*D/6
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:21 PM
Dec 2013

Each side must cover atleast 120degrees, the angle between wings of the door. The circumference of the circle is Pi * Diameter
120 degrees is 1 third of a circle so each solid wall portion must be atleast (1/3) * Pi * D Since we have two solid portions to make up the sides total is 2 * (1/3) * Pi * D Since the full circle is Pi * D subtracting the 2/3*Pi*D from 3/3*Pi*D yields 1/3*Pi*D as the maximum length for the two openings combined or distributed equally (1/2) * (1/3) * Pi * D = (1/6)*Pi*D each or 104.7cm each

Technically you could make one larger than the other provided each solid wall is atleast (1/3) * Pi * D in length. However as the smaller opening gets progressively smaller the entire door apparatus looses it's function and therefor the result is trivial, although zero.

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