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Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 07:36 PM Feb 2014

I have had a rotten day.

I have identified a problem in the trucking industry from my 18 years of driving experience and having driven for several companies. Upper management puts people who have no idea of what it's like to drive a truck for a living in charge of truck drivers. What this usually results in is making the trucker's job more difficult than it has to be while wasting resources without accomplishing anything else. When drivers try to explain the situation as it really is they are treated as if they are stupid. So you have a delusional fool with his head stuck up his ass telling you that you're the one who is an idiot.

The trucking industry has a horrible problem with turnover. It is actually normal for a fleet to have greater than 100% turnover in its driving jobs every year. I've just explained to you one big reason why. The industry either has yet to figure that out or they don't care.

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I have had a rotten day. (Original Post) Tobin S. Feb 2014 OP
It's deliberate pscot Feb 2014 #1
I don't think that's it. Tobin S. Feb 2014 #2
Tobin I was in business management for about 20 some years. DebJ Feb 2014 #12
Sorry to hear that Tobin PumpkinAle Feb 2014 #3
it is rampant in almost all industries rurallib Feb 2014 #10
Ah, sycophantic..that's the word I was looking for. n/t DebJ Feb 2014 #13
Airlines have a pilot qualified Chief Pilot, should be the same for trucking. Downwinder Feb 2014 #4
Do you talk with other drivers about this? marzipanni Feb 2014 #5
Here's an example. Tobin S. Feb 2014 #9
Sorry to hear that MH1 Feb 2014 #6
My dear Tobin... CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2014 #7
Very sorry to hear of your frustration, Tobin. elleng Feb 2014 #8
Not just trucking industry... hunter Feb 2014 #11
sucks hibbing Feb 2014 #14
du rec Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #15

pscot

(21,024 posts)
1. It's deliberate
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 07:44 PM
Feb 2014

They don't want bosses who understand. They want bosses who are willing to push your buttons and fuck with you. A boss who understands your problems won't lean on the whip hard enough to inflict real pain.. They want you scared, hurting and running as hard as you can. People go to high-priced business schools to learn this.

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
2. I don't think that's it.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 08:04 PM
Feb 2014

Most drivers are already willing to work hard and there are severe legal penalties for companies that try to make them work too hard, as in hours of service violations.

Besides, I'm a business major and a senior at Indiana University and I have yet to take any classes on whip cracking.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
12. Tobin I was in business management for about 20 some years.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:41 PM
Feb 2014

I also took quite a number of college business management classes.

There is theory, and then there is life.

Example: Adam Smith's invisible hand is really just a slap in the face!

Seriously, there are lots of bu$$%holes in management positions who are completely
uninformed and inadequate, and who cost the company money and often, cost the
company everything. Seeing that so often drove me to become a manager myself
just to be able to prove to myself that a)it's really not that difficult to manage (depending
upon how big an idiot YOUR boss is, and how much independence you have to get 'er done)
b) the best way to manage is to respect the people who work for you, and to show them that
you can do their job, too, and fully understand it.

Guess what? It really was that simple. I was quite successful and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

Business theory is just that: theory. But the world is peopled with people.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
3. Sorry to hear that Tobin
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 08:22 PM
Feb 2014

but it isn't just the trucking industry this is happening in.

The companies want the sycophantic yes men who will never, ever question anything unless it affects the bottom line and while it usually costs more to have employee changeover they really don't care, it definitely is a case of next and there is no shortage of "next" - all coming in at low wages.

rurallib

(62,423 posts)
10. it is rampant in almost all industries
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:24 PM
Feb 2014

not only do they want 'yes men' but they also want assholes who will keep workers from becoming too comfortable.
One of the keys to productivity that was identified many years ago and has been proven over and over is to keep the workers stirred up through constant change. (White-Westinghouse IIRC)

marzipanni

(6,011 posts)
5. Do you talk with other drivers about this?
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:40 PM
Feb 2014

How does it make the trucker's job more difficult, while wasting resources?

Perhaps if a group of drivers let upper management know this affects the bottom line (which seems to matter more than anything else) that is what will make them look for improvements to their business model. Strength in numbers!

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
9. Here's an example.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:10 PM
Feb 2014

At the company I work for we haul some trash. The trash loads go to a landfill. A driver took a newer truck into the landfill, backed up over a mattress when he was going to dump the load, and got all kinds of springs and wires tangled up in the drive shaft causing some damage to the truck.

Management decided that the solution to this incident was to not let any newer trucks go into the landfill. So if you had a newer truck and you had a trash load, you either had to return to the yard and put the load on an old truck and then take it to the landfill, or meet someone at the landfill who had driven an older truck there and do the swap.

So instead of penalizing the driver who made a mistake and calling it a day, they penalized every trucker in their fleet and wasted a lot of time, energy, and fuel in the process, sometimes using two trucks to do the job of one.

They recently pulled their heads out of their asses on that one, but not after over three years of having it crammed up there.

My current situation and source of anger and frustration is that my boss is a dick and will do shit like in the previous example for fun. He was recently promoted to the job and he was so well liked by all the drivers that the general manager called a meeting telling us about the promotion and...that we had to respect the guy. It was like your momma showing up at school and telling all the kids to be nice to you. The man does not elicit any respect on his own. He also has zero commercial driving experience let alone any driving experience in our specialized fleet.

So what do we do?

MH1

(17,600 posts)
6. Sorry to hear that
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:52 PM
Feb 2014

If it helps any ... as already said upthread ... it's not just the trucking industry.

I work in an IT department in a medium large company and every year it seems like they add another shot of dumbfuck-juice to whatever they're serving the management. The good news is I think I'm getting to the point where it doesn't faze me so much anymore, and I can even laugh at the idiocy sometimes.

That said .. back to your issue ... is there anything magic that happens after you hit 20 years? Like a pension or something? 'Cause if so just hang in there for that and try to find amusement in the actual idiot thinking that you're the idiot.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,639 posts)
7. My dear Tobin...
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:55 PM
Feb 2014

I am so sorry to hear this...

I'm glad you're venting about it--it sucks to keep stuff like this inside.

Hang in there, sweetie...

Eyes on the prize and all that...

elleng

(130,974 posts)
8. Very sorry to hear of your frustration, Tobin.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:59 PM
Feb 2014

This sort of thing is, I think, common among many industries: Management doesn't know/understand what workers do. Its surely true among governmental agencies: Heads of agencies, put in their positions for political reasons, have no idea.

Trucking industry surely should do better.

hibbing

(10,098 posts)
14. sucks
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:21 AM
Feb 2014

That sucks big time. Where I work all the people that make the big decisions have no idea what the people that do the "real" work do, so they come up with all kinds of crazy ass ideas that once implemented usually make things worse. It gets pretty ridiculous at times.

Peace

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
15. du rec
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:09 AM
Feb 2014

I wish you had posted this in GD, Tobin.

You have really generated a great discussion here and I wish it could be more widely seen.

Sorry you had a rotten day.

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