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Many paths collide; Rick faces sheer brutality; the group struggles to survive.I've heard we could be getting a cliffhanger or two tonight. I wonder if the single letter title is important at all?
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 30, 2014, 04:31 PM - Edit history (1)
Who will die?
It isn't just the characters that need hope. The audience does too.
Rick looks as if he has just seen and been through something more horrifying than he has experienced so far. (and that's saying a lot)
At first I thought Rick's eyes looked blank but that isn't it - his eyes look to me as if he is still seeing that horrific event. He's having a mind wobble and could go either way ...off the deep end or back to reality, of sorts. He has the look of a person who is trying to absorb something terrible. Something so shocking that it shuts the brain down.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)We'll be seeing the last of. Beth tonight. Maybe Bob or Sasha.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)I was trying to determine who the swarm was overpowering in the video. Couldn't really tell but I kept thinking of Beth while I watched.
Probably happy go-lucky just wonderful not being the lone survivor Bob.
I don't want any of them to die.
Iris
(15,657 posts)If this were Lost, tonight would be his night for sure.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Maybe just badly injured.
Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)We should have seen it coming.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I have not read any big spoilers for this upcoming episode, so my "feeling" is just a hunch.
PumpkinAle
(1,210 posts)Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)and the episodes are too short at 45 minutes each. They need to make some double episodes for premiers and finales so that it doesn't seem like they just kill off characters summarily to rush along the story or keep their budget down. But who knows maybe as a twist no-one from the group will die tonight.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)That's a good thought!
They don't have to keep me hooked. I'm hooked enough.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)I agree with your assessment. It looks like Rick is on the verge of losing it or coming back.
I guess we'll find out...
Don't dread that the season is ending. Be happy that Game of Thrones is back on next Sunday.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)That did help!
Thank you!
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)but, we still may be left with cliffhangers tonight that won't be resolved until October.
mgcgulfcoast
(1,127 posts)michonne, maggie, glenn and carl.
rug
(82,333 posts)mgcgulfcoast
(1,127 posts)ret5hd
(20,491 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Chandler Riggs asked to be a guest on Talking Dead, but was supposedly turned down because of a mystery guest to appear tonight. Then, Laurie Cohan shows up with Andrew Lincoln in LA. Does that mean Maggie is a goner?
Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)photograph. His comment: "Well, I guess she sealed her fate."
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)it could just be coincidence that they arrived together
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)Tonight will be bloody.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)it's better than last year's finale
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)It will be a long wait until October.
Just wish the last show was longer
We are hooked on the show anyways.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)only about 45 minutes
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Iris
(15,657 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)After last night in GD, I'm in the mood for some nihilistic action. But I just had a horrible thought about Beth. I.hope I'm wrong!
rug
(82,333 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)view among fans.
MissB
(15,808 posts)Here we go!
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)to the finale tonight
MissB
(15,808 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)all covered in blood.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)with Hershel
Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)MissB
(15,808 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Rick recalling what happens and then ending with him by the car?
MissB
(15,808 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)It's supposed to be an sction- packed episode, I hear.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)making a fire... have the wires set up around their campsite
MissB
(15,808 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)it was somebody from the prison?
Lex
(34,108 posts)Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)What a terrible way to go.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)but, he's already surrounded by a dozen or more walkers, so they let him die.
MissB
(15,808 posts)Looks like it.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)not 100% sure, though
Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)MissB
(15,808 posts)Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Where's Daryl?
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)asleep in the car?
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)I may be mistaken.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)ambushes Rick and Michonne. Did they see Carl in the car?
where is Daryl?
MissB
(15,808 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)right now
The guy with Carl.
MissB
(15,808 posts)Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)MissB
(15,808 posts)a bite worthy of a vampire
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Rick bit the guy to death
Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)He is a living zombie! I get it! The Walking Dead!
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)n/t
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)Go Rick
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Iris
(15,657 posts)holy shit
Chiyo-chichi
(3,580 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)for a minute or two there. I couldn't take my eyes off the TV
MissB
(15,808 posts)Not so much.
Iris
(15,657 posts)In fact, this whole season has been so intense, I've been reading spoilers the day after before watching the eps. I don't know if I'll make it through the night!
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Herschel offering Rick words of wisdom.
MissB
(15,808 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)he had a similar bout of craziness when Lori died
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)keeping them safe is all that matters
Iris
(15,657 posts)Gothmog
(145,254 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Poor kid.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Approaching Terminus smartly.
Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)Heading for the woods, because they don't know who they are.
Hey, it just occurred to me that cannibals in the Walking Dead wouldn't work, since dead bodies reanimate.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)last week...
Iris
(15,657 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)spoil the meat.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and not his father...
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)not to give up on his Dad, because Andrea and Rick brought her back
MissB
(15,808 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)so far
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)Terminus is populated by hipsters, and Gareth is giving a TED talk.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)MissB
(15,808 posts)Abraham, Rosita, Eugene, Maggie, Glenn and Tara...
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and how everybody there is packing heat
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that he met with Carol when he booted her out of the group, right?
MissB
(15,808 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I think
MissB
(15,808 posts)charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)New recurring character
Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)Is that the guy with the watch?
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Didn't catch if he was the guy with the watch.
Iris
(15,657 posts)Would Beth have had it?
Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)was the one Rick gave to that young couple in the abandoned town when he booted Carol out of the group
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Hershel gave it to him as his father-in-law.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)I don't remember anything significant about a watch.
MissB
(15,808 posts)Iris
(15,657 posts)Chiyo-chichi
(3,580 posts)Rick knows it is Herschel/Glenn's watch and figures the Terminus folks have harmed Glenn & maybe others.
Iris
(15,657 posts)especially not now
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I guess the watch Rick gave to that other guy was a different one
Iris
(15,657 posts)So, there were two watches?
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Makes sense.
Iris
(15,657 posts)Not good at all.
MissB
(15,808 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)even Imperial Stormtroopers don't shoot that badly
Iris
(15,657 posts)Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Many bullet holes.
Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)I saw the human remains.
Iris
(15,657 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)around there.
Iris
(15,657 posts)I guess the cannibal-thread is true then.
Who have they already eaten?
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)so, maybe she might have had an arm and/or leg gnawed on
Iris
(15,657 posts)do you think they harvest body parts so they last longer?
yikes!
I was not joking. but, glad they didn't go that far on the show.
Lex
(34,108 posts)the cannibalism vibe of Terminus is an interesting and no doubt intentional juxtaposition in this episode.
Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)Lex
(34,108 posts)to that, but I just thought it was an interesting scene with Rick, given what is probably happening at Terminus.
Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)Rick is now biting into people, so it prepares us to expect the next evolution in a post-apocalyptic world. Which is a society that eats people.
MissB
(15,808 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)saw them just now.
Yep, that also confirms the premise of my post #162 down-thread.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Iris
(15,657 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)how depressing
MissB
(15,808 posts)Suspense. Killing. Me.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)is in the train car
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Iris
(15,657 posts)At least, we didn't see them arrive.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)for next season?
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Let's hope so.
I also want to know what happened to Beth.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Beth, Carol and Tyreese will meet up and be the cavalry?
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)are the cavalry.
MissB
(15,808 posts)Iris
(15,657 posts)I'm glad Rick's "back" though.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)No major deaths, however.
but, it was a good line for him to say that They're screwing with the wrong people.
Iris
(15,657 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)But now we gotta wait until October to find out what will happen.
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)Can't wait to see the show tomorrow.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)one his way to the train car
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)thing he said. 7 second delay.
I don't even remember what he said.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)I feel like we needed another hour for the season finale.
They built up all that tension and the ending just let all the air out.
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)to Rick vs the Claimers, and an episode to entering Terminus.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)but last night's episode still needed an additional hour. Ideally, this episode should've been the penultimate episode with the season finale airing next week and dealing with Rick's group fighting back. That gives them amply opportunity to do their traditional finale kill-off of main characters.
Or even better, have the episode just end with them snatching Carl once Rick got in the rail car.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)But I could have sworn Andrew Lincoln had been on "Talking Dead" before.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)they've interviewed him on tape, but not in studio live
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Hopefully Rick & Gang can get free before Tyreese/Carol/Judith get there.
(and where is Beth!?!?)
Whew. Alrighty then.
I was cheering when Rick killed that POS. Both of those PsOS.
Good for him! He has assimilated his feelings.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)"just gone" - I hate that typical lack of communication that passes for drama on the show.
and why didn't Maggie even question where her sister was?
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)Hell, Beth's abduction might have even been important information to Rick. And Maggie....
Actually I thought the whole freight car reunion scene was a little stiff and rushed.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)and it's hard for him to talk about - especially after watching Rick rip a man's throat out with his teeth.
Daryl will tell. In between plotting & planning in the cattle car, they will all tell their stories - to some degree.
Besides, I think there's more to Beth abduction than just a simple kidnapping and that will be explored next season.
The reunion felt rushed to me but I can live with it.
Maybe everyone assumes anyone they don't see must be dead and that talk can wait because the needs of the living are more important.
LeftOfSelf-Centered
(776 posts)I hope that "just gone" isn't the writers' way of simply writing her off the show. "She's just gone, so no point in looking for her." And nobody ever worries about her or mentions her ever again (as it sometimes happens on TV shows).
Also Beth had been the closest thing to a mother that Judith had ever know, so for that alone I hope they at least make an attempt to find her. I was actually pretty surprised that it wasn't Beth who had taken Judith out of the prison...
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)So much of life will change between now and then.
We should have weekly Game of Thrones threads.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)The Walking Dead is awesome and already miss it.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)as the other three entered the train
DebJ
(7,699 posts)think he might be the only safe one.
Lex
(34,108 posts)everyone to start shooting.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that Carl would get shot
Iris
(15,657 posts)Mrdrboi
(110 posts)Rick literately Taking a Bite out of Crime.
If the Terminus people knew what Rick did few hours prior they would of just let him and his people leave. If not Hes going to start biting other peoples necks out.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)Terminus turned out to be what I expected. That entire scene about setting snares and the funnel in the trail that directs the quarry into the trap definitely foreshadowed it.
October is so far away!
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)to be anything other than a trap
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)Rick had a bite. Poor Carl.
mwdem
(4,031 posts)when they went into the train car? After Rick and his group were noticed inside the building and everyone seemed so nice, they all introduced themselves, so Gareth know their names. When he told them to go into the car, he called them by their weapons, or in Carl's case, just the boy. Michonne was the samurai, Darryl was the crossbow and I don't remember what he called Rick. Dehumanizing them?
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)since he was the one that took action against them first.
mwdem
(4,031 posts)Now I remember.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)the Zombies, and the not-yet-zombie humans in many ways.
Then we see Rick take a bite out of that guy, making the comparison literal.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)Well I know Carl agrees with me.
But man, Rick sees a frickin chain to a watch and ASSUMES the very worst and initiates the confrontation? And he *did* kill that guy in the bathroom.
I dunno, I think we the audience are just on the side of "our friends' because we've known them so long, but damn, maybe they're not really good guys at all.
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)Every one is just trying to stay alive.
They all have PTSD.
I wonder what I would do if I had to live in that world.
The prison was the first safe place they had.
The rules we live by don't count in there world.
I don't blame Rick for what he did.
Carl was going to be raped.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)I was talking about his reaction to the Terminus folks, just because he saw a guy with a pocket watch. He pulls a gun on him for crissakes, because he has a chain in his pocket?
If the roles were reversed and Rick et al were the lords of Terminus, as they were of the prison, you bet they'd be super suspicious of newcomers. But when Rick's gang are the newcomers, they feel threatened when people distrust them.
That's all I'm saying. They are as bad as the guys they think are the bad guys. Which is probably the whole point.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)It was also the riot gear and the poncho. Rick's instincts were correct. Those are bad guys, possibly cannibals.
The rest of the group (being held prisoner in the cargo container) indicates Rick was right.
The Terminus folks also acted like they were used to the routine. Shooting at their feet, leading them towards the container, like a trap foreshadowed earlier in the episode by the rabbit trap scene.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)was something he noticed as well.
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)Looking forward to seeing our guys escape.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that any escape will come at a cost of at least one or two cast members.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Actual monsters don't question their actions.
Carl was questioning himself and his actions.
Rick's actions have sent him off in spirals of guilt and hallucinations.
Michonne recognized what she had allowed herself to become and what she was becoming again (after the prison attack and scattering) and said never again.
They aren't monsters.
Rick used the only weapon he had available to save them - his mouth. Carl was in the process of being raped, Daryl was being beat to death and Michonne was next up for rape. They were all marked for death. Their weapons weren't handy. His mouth was.
While Rick was sitting against the truck, covered in blood, he looked as if he might snap again. He didn't. He finally came to terms with doing what you have to do to protect those you care about and not letting that destroy you or your ability to care. He told Daryl he was his brother. Before, Rick closed himself off from the rest because he felt damaged. He felt guilty.
Lizzie was a monster. Not the same kind of monster as the "Claimers" but still a monster.
You get the sense that Lizzie was always sick. Recall how Mika told her to look at the flowers, just look at the flowers like you're supposed to do - indicating this was a long term way for dealing with Lizzie's episodes. (her breaks)
Lizzie was most likely born that way. That's the sense I get anyway. Mentally unstable and living in her own world. The coming of the walkers just amplified and channeled her illness.
Poor Mika - wouldn't survive if it meant killing humans because she felt bad for what they used to be. I applauded her understanding, especially for one so young. For her it was absolute - killing people was wrong even if it meant your own death. Most people want to live and will respond to threats to their person.
But some people are seen as threats simply because some sociopath or deranged person sees them that way. Wouldn't matter how little of a threat they actually were - Maggie's group wasn't a threat to Terminus - they just wanted some help. The army guys weren't a threat to Woodbury or the Governor - but he wanted them dead anyway. Rick's group wasn't a threat to Woodbury and the Governor had to lie about it - because he wanted them dead anyway. Just like he lied to Tara and her sister and that other group - because he wanted them dead anyway.
The "Claimers" were a group of sociopaths. Born or made that way through childhood trauma...like Merle, but without the grain of redemption...for Merle loved his brother and that was his saving grace.
The "Claimers" were talking about raping Michonne in that house. Rick heard them. They didn't know they were talking about Michonne but they were. One of them said he had first go on the woman the shirt belonged to - the shirt Michonne washed and was drying before she and Carl left out. A group of men joking about who gets to rape a woman first is a group of men that are monsters. Rick had to get out. He had to warn both Carl and Michonne. Otherwise, they could have all died in that house.
Terminus is filled with cannibals (is my best guess based on the things I saw in the finale) - nothing good guy about cannibals. Before the breakdown of society (the society the characters knew) cannibalism was a taboo. Just because things have changed doesn't mean that has changed.
You don't have to prey on desperate people and trick them into entering your lair just so you can eat them in order to survive. Doing that makes you a monster. Even if they aren't cannibals - they still tricked people with the sanctuary BS and then stole their belongings and locked them in a train car. Good people don't do that.
The Governor didn't have to kill anyone to be in charge - he wanted to kill them. He didn't have to kill the people he killed to survive - he wanted to kill them. He was a monster.
Rick noticed the watch, the knapsack, the poncho and the police riot gear - it wasn't just one single item that did it. He knew those items belonged to people in his group.
I think your question is a question that the audience is supposed to ask.
And I'd wager there will be differing opinions.
I don't have a favorable opinion of Carol for killing Karen and David. I know a lot of other people do. I used to like Carol a lot.
I am glad Tyreese forgave her though. But for his sake, not hers.
I still wouldn't sneeze or cough around Carol.
Lex
(34,108 posts)considered good, and still come back to the light.'
Just like with Carol killing those 2 people.
Our people may not be the "good guys" but probably the "as good as you can be and survive" guys.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)When the group was looking to escape from the Termites, they ran through a warehouse-like room with a bunch of vehicles in it. Did anybody notice if one of the vehicles was the car that escaped with Beth? They were only there for a few seconds, and this thought didn't occur to me until the next day.
(I have not been able to re-watch yet)