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DebJ

(7,699 posts)
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:02 AM May 2014

Some one please explain to me, clearly and concisely, the negative ramifications

for me, a non-criminal, a non-terrorist, of having some government official, or anyone, really,
reviewing lists of calls made out from and received in on my phone line.

I'm sorry, but somehow I have yet to pick up the inherent dangers to me or to society.

But I am picking up the negative ramifications caused in my life by the people who are so worried about this.
I just had a typical Comcast experience, which is NEVER good, because of this, which since I don't understand
this fear, seems like paranoia to me. Please explain!

Here's what happened... a bit jumbled because its late and it was just a Facebook rant... I actually typed WHERE DO I ENTER MY PIN many more times than in this synopsis. After the fourth time, I went to all caps over and over again.

"I think that when I feel like I need to cuss in the future, I will just mutter "Comcast". They so stink. Saturday Night Live really needs to parody this disgusting, disgusting, customer screwover that they call service.

I got a screen saying access to my account is limited unless I put in a PIN. But there is no place on the screen to enter a pin. I just had an insane chat with an incompetent or untrained employee who no doubt works overseas for $2 an hour, and I was forced to ask my very simple, and non-security related question, repeatedly: where do I enter my PIN? Why does the screen say enter your pin, but then not provide a place anywhere on that screen, or any other screen, to enter one?

But first she had to say thank you for contacting me. Pause one full minute. Again thank you for allowing me to provide you service. Please check out our Customer Service guarantee at this link. Pause for more time.
Three or four more similar statements about 'thank you' and "I know how important service is to you' blah blah blah interjected throughout the chats (I think maybe an automated interjection so random and stupid).

At this point, I've been waiting like 5 minutes for a standard answer to a standard question: where is the screen? But no, can't answer that. Not without tying up my time to ask me all about my account, when I am not requesting secure information about my account or any account, just WHERE IS THE SCREEN TO ENTER A PIN?

Then she tells me about their great new services for the cell phone I don't use with them. Then she tells me she will provide me with a new password. I DON'T WANT OR NEED A NEW PASSWORD. I want to know where is the screen to enter the PIN?

The reply: I have your account up now and I can see you have our services connected. WHAT is the purpose of wasting my time with this drivel? I just want to know where do I enter the pin so I can see my my bill detail. OF COURSE I have services connected or I wouldn't HAVE a bill and I wouldn't be contacting you to ask where do I enter my pin, if I didn't have a login in and a password! ARGH. (NOTE: The screens for amount due and that allow you to pay are not, of course, blocked whatsoever. You just can't see what they are billing you FOR, exactly, without entering the pin for which they provide NO MEANS TO ENTER ONE!)

Reply: do you want me to check your account for you?
NO I WANT TO KNOW WHERE TO ENTER THE PIN SO I CAN SEE IT FOR MYSELF.

Reply: I can reset your password for you, or you can call 18009346489 24/7. Would you let me know how to proceed?

ME: I will call the number because changing my password does not give me a place to enter my pin. Apparently you are completely unable to help me. Clearly you are unable to help me, and it will be 'fun' to share this 'customer service experience' with Comcast's many other fans of their legendary service. And that's not a good thing.

I call the number. It puts me through to the same recording as 1800 Comcast, which gives you no options for needing a PIN. So I try another line just to get a human voice, with computer problems. Finally, a woman with a brain explains that there is a new FCC ruling that no one is to be allowed to check any kind of phone records unless they have a user id, a password, AND a pin. And that you won't get a screen that allows you to enter a pin until they mail one to you, and that will take up to 30 days. So I said, let me get this straight, for the next 30 days, I will be able to see how much I owe you, and you will want payment or cut off services, but I will not be able to see what you are billing me for? She said, yes, because of the FCC. NO, not because of the FCC. Because of paranoid idiots ... what are these people DOING that having someone see what numbers they are calling or that are calling them, would cause a problem for them? Some guy screwing other women who doesn't want his wife to know? Drug dealers? International criminals? TERRORISTS? Thanks paranoid people who use your irrational fears to make life miserable for the rest of this, you are now aiding and abetting criminals and increasing government expenditures and business expenditures for this new idiotic system created on your behalf. I hope someone DOES look at all your phone numbers, and put your sorry paranoid butt into jail for whatever you are doing that you are SOOOO afraid someone might see. And if you are being unfaithful, I hope your spouse finds out sooner rather than later, dumps your sorry butt, and takes every penny from you. And thanks Comcast for having idiots in Customer "Service" to force me to go through hoops so as to NOT answer my question, and to subject me to your sales pitches about how wonderful your service is and to ask me if I want to buy even more services! End of Rant."

On Edit: my apologies in advance for the use of the word 'idiot' to anyone who can clarify for me the inherent dangers to our society and to me because someone knows how often I call my family, or a local store. Comcast makes me completely incensed.

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Brigid

(17,621 posts)
1. I wonder . . .
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:17 AM
May 2014

How many people have shot themselves while trying get something done through a customer service call.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
2. No kidding.
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:17 AM
May 2014

I've had similar experiences and there is just no use trying to reason with them when all they are doing is reading a script.

On a practical level, have you considered that the browser you are using isn't compatible with their website? Often this will explain what you are experiencing. Sometimes web designers use features that ONLY work in IE, and thus if you use, for example, Firefox, not all features will work. And the customer service people would have no idea about this.

But yeah, I have had that exact same thing happen when I just wanted to ask a really trivial question.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
3. My son asked me the same thing, about which browser I was using.
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:28 AM
May 2014

I'm using Firefox, and I have used Firefox every month to do this for a very long time now.

Thanks for your reply!

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
4. Yeah I use Firefox too
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:32 AM
May 2014

There was one website, and it was work related so I HAD to access it, and it simply did not work with Firefox. I ranted at the company and told them that I refuse to use IE blah blah blah (of course it all fell on deaf ears but whatever).

Eventually I had to get a plugin for Firefox, an IE emulator so that Firefox can properly handle certain (stupid) websites.

Once. and under much protest.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
6. I have two Comcast accounts; one is ours, and one is for my son in another state.
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:35 AM
May 2014

He just added phone service yesterday.

I am still able to access the account for our home here without a pin, but if this is FCC regulation,
its a matter of all new services being immediately subjected to the new regulations at set up. But
no doubt they will be putting that same onus on everyone else with phone service currently, over
time. We've had phone on our Comcast account for about three years now.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
5. I don't even think, for the online chats, that it is even so 'personal' a customer service
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:33 AM
May 2014

experience as to have someone transcribing or cutting-and-pasting a script.

I think it is automated, so that with any lapse in time per some set amount, the
computer kicks in, to say something and keep you hanging on, and prompts you
with their sales crap. These comments were interjected during every wait time
I experienced for a sane answer to my repeated question.

I wanted to scream NO I never want to watch a boxing match. Boxing is vile
to me and the very thought of two men intentionally inflicting as much damage
as possible on each other for money, while others enjoy watching this with
sadistic pleasure, makes me want to vomit. I get sick to my stomach, and they
ask this at every phone call and now in internet chat assistance also. The new
twist was that on the phone, they did the sales pitch in Spanish only. Every
phone call I've had to make to Comcast, for Years now, they have subjected
me first to their sales pitch for watching two human beings beat the crap
out of each other.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
7. I just end up swearing and yelling into the phone
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:36 AM
May 2014

"No I am NOT interested in this bullshit!!"

Even if nobody is listening, it makes me feel better

(but I bet they do hear it)

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
8. LOL I do that to. And then subject my husband to my rant.
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:37 AM
May 2014

But since he is my husband, he isn't hearing anything I say, anyway, LOL.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. Yes, you're right
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:50 AM
May 2014

Customer service has gotten so horribly bad in part because of exaggerated concerns over "security," which is usually little more than imposing difficulties on customers so as to look like they're doing something. Airport security is another prime example.

However, to your original question about the government reviewing lists of your phone calls: Let's say you have a local pizza joint. The proprietors are good guys, make good pizza, and you call them up from time to time. Maybe once a month. Say, the day before payday because they'll put you on the cuff for a day. Now, it just so happens this particular pizza place is also a front for nefarious activities. They help some group designated a terrorist outfit to launder money, and that money comes through, let's say once a month or so. Coincidentally, the day before your mid-month payday. Three or four alphabet agencies are monitoring calls by the terrorist group, and they've identified the pizza joint as a possible front outfit. And hey, isn't there some kind of pattern: Every month, when the terrorists call Neighborhood Pizza, the very same day DebJ calls them. Sometimes before, sometimes after. Maybe DebJ needs a little extra attention.

Now remember, the folks doing the monitoring don't know you, aren't your friends, and their continued funding depends heavily on uncovering stuff to justify their bloated budget. Suddenly, your family, everyone you talk to, everyone you work with, your friends list on Facebook, all become of intense interest to the good guys trying to catch the bad guys. I'm guessing that the difficulties you're having with Comcast would seem like pretty small potatoes to trying to explain your non-existent relationship with the terrorists at the pizza parlor.

But yeah, Comcast should get its act together and quit punishing its customers.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
10. Ok, thanks. And thanks for being nice to me!
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:53 AM
May 2014

I forgot about the 'connections to terrorists' things, which do get out of hand from things I've read.

I guess its one of those types of things that has a statistically very small chance of happening to
any one person, but if it DOES happen, its complete hell and could be very destructive to your life.

And I called Dominos like six times this month, an anomaly for me. Are you a mind reader?

On edit: or have you been checking my phone calls? LOL. Just kidding. I order online so I guess
many strangers might know!

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. Actually, I'm with the ADL
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:29 AM
May 2014

The Anchovy Defamation League. Let's talk about your pizza toppings. Or lack thereof . . .

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
12. if there was a customer service rep at the other end of the 'puter
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:45 AM
May 2014

He or she was required to follow a script. I work part time as a phone rep: we are required to do certain things in a certain way, or "fail" the call. Too many "failed" calls and we will be fired. It doesn't matter how happy the customer was. If we skip certain steps to save them time, we fail. So it is literally your satisfaction versus our jobs. Sorry. It's a horrible, horrible, low pay, shitty job. But it puts food on the table, so to speak.

It's also entirely possible that there wasn't even a human at the other end. Sounds like it may even have been a 'puter following a script and not understanding your questions.

That's how cheap they've become. Not just Comcast. All. of. them.

As far as the pin number, I wouldn't blame the FCC or whatever activists caused this ruling. I would blame Comcast. There are probably a zillion different secure ways they could set you up with a pin, and when government agencies do put new laws into effect that will impact a business, they allow time for the business to put the new s/w or whatever together. If a corporation is fighting against the regulation, they'll wait until the last minute and then make it as painful as possible for their customers because they don't give a shit about you. They want you to complain to the FCC or whoever. Just remember. They don't. give. a. shit. about. you.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
19. I tried to reach a rep at my insurance company...
Mon May 5, 2014, 10:59 AM
May 2014

first, I tried finding the information on their website but could not find it. I called and got the phone tree dance, was hung up on once, and there was not an option to speak to someone live. So I went back to the website and used their Communication Center. I told them what happened and said I could not reach a person through the phone. Their response: Thank you. Please continue to use our phone system.

WTF?

 

blueamy66

(6,795 posts)
13. COMCAST SUCKS!
Sun May 4, 2014, 11:25 AM
May 2014

I was going to type a huge rant the other day as well, but deleted it by accident.

I refuse to even telephone them anymore, because I cannot understand a word that is spoken. I instead chat online.

My problem? Somehow my TV listings "doubled"...like a split screen. All I wanted to know was how to get my TV listings back to single on the screen.

20 minutes later, after having to jump through hoops to confirm that I actually had a Comcast account, after asking how my day was twice, that "it is not a problem, no problem", my screen fixed itself.

I too was typing in caps. HOW DO I GET MY TV LISTINGS BACK TO SINGLE???? IF I DIDN'T HAVE AN ACCOUNT WITH YOU, WHY WOULD I BE CONTACTING YOU?

I decided to play with the rep for a bit after the tv was back to normal...that is until she wanted to reboot all of my equipment in my entire house that was related to Comcast.

They are incompetent nitwits.

Glad I'm not the only one who hates them.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
14. Every time I call Comcast with some problem,
Sun May 4, 2014, 02:24 PM
May 2014

I get some customer representative in India or Bangladesh, and his or her accent is so heavy that I have to ask the person repeat what he or her is saying. They are usually very helpful once I get past the language barrier.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
17. Two things you can try to get a real person in North America.
Mon May 5, 2014, 12:44 AM
May 2014

1. Mash the zero button. This can sometimes jump you out of the call system and get you an operator.

2. Ask for assistance "en Francais, s'il vous plait", This should get you transferred to a Canadian rep, who will probably speak English as well.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,376 posts)
15. I had a credit card and a car loan through Wells Fargo....
Sun May 4, 2014, 11:05 PM
May 2014

Every other bill I pay online I can see the amount owed, a link to the statement and another link to "Pay Bill Now".


Not with Wells Fargo. They actually had two different websites you had to use, one to see your balance and statement and the other was strictly for bill paying.

Major pain in the ass.

You have my sympathies.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
18. Oh the stories I could tell you about Comcast!
Mon May 5, 2014, 10:50 AM
May 2014

I fully understand your frustration with them. Does anyone wonder why they are doing so much damage control with their commercials about all of their NEW customer service guarantees? It's because they know WE know they are full of crap!

I don't have them anymore and never will. Nobody's perfect as far as customer service. But Comcast was some of the worst I've ever seen. One small example: they damaged my desktop so badly, they had to remove it from my home for repair. Yes, they assured me they would back up everything. They DID back up all my files but returned the computer to me with absolutely NO software on it. Not one single program. That was a really fun time.

Sorry.

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