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Game of Thrones 4.5 "First of His Name" (spoiler alert!) (Original Post) NewJeffCT May 2014 OP
article on changes from book to screen NewJeffCT May 2014 #1
George R.R. Martin on Oberyn Martell NewJeffCT May 2014 #2
Arya kills the Hound? TorchTheWitch May 2014 #3
to be honest NewJeffCT May 2014 #4
Yikes! The true deceit and degradation of little finger is finally exposed! Baitball Blogger May 2014 #5
I started late NewJeffCT May 2014 #6
he creeps me out in the show TorchTheWitch May 2014 #7
in the books NewJeffCT May 2014 #10
and? TorchTheWitch May 2014 #14
well, Sansa is what 17 or 18 on the show? NewJeffCT May 2014 #15
but I wasn't even considering Sanza really at all TorchTheWitch May 2014 #18
Well, Lysa isn't exactly stable, either NewJeffCT May 2014 #25
I think Varys had him pegged... TorchTheWitch May 2014 #33
Liked the book reveal better NewJeffCT May 2014 #11
“Tears, tears, tears,” Liberal Veteran May 2014 #13
Is that foreshadow? Baitball Blogger May 2014 #16
oh someone will be going through the moon door TorchTheWitch May 2014 #19
My guess NewJeffCT May 2014 #26
Damn. It does look like the brothers will pass each other in the night. Baitball Blogger May 2014 #8
Oh! Yay to the warg power! Baitball Blogger May 2014 #9
A flash of white fur and sharp teeth. That's all I saw, officer. Baitball Blogger May 2014 #12
hard to believe NewJeffCT May 2014 #17
I was thinking about that a few days ago TorchTheWitch May 2014 #20
I had to laugh at poor Pod TorchTheWitch May 2014 #21
On the Cutting Room Floor: The Hound Gets Down with His Chicken! TorchTheWitch May 2014 #22
Arya has her water dance. And the Hound now has his chicken dance. Baitball Blogger May 2014 #24
good scene, though NewJeffCT May 2014 #28
Hound is teaching her how to be street smart. Baitball Blogger May 2014 #29
true NewJeffCT May 2014 #30
from the previews I really thought she killed him then TorchTheWitch May 2014 #35
I really like that guy rudolph the red May 2014 #37
He's really grown on me NewJeffCT May 2014 #38
He just strikes me as a very decent guy, rudolph the red May 2014 #39
Well, I'm glad the deviation from the book with Bran blogslut May 2014 #23
I'm not a big fan of his storyline, either NewJeffCT May 2014 #27
What does he find at the tree at the top of the hill? Baitball Blogger May 2014 #31
it's kind of hard to explain NewJeffCT May 2014 #32
the vision tells him that what he seeks is beneath the tree TorchTheWitch May 2014 #34
Thank you so much! Great information! Baitball Blogger May 2014 #36
This could quite possibly be the best TV show ever... SomethingFishy May 2014 #40
Here you go... MrScorpio May 2014 #41
Now I know what happens to cats when they get a whiff of catnip. Baitball Blogger May 2014 #45
They have thin walls in Westeros /nt jakeXT May 2014 #42
In the audiobook NewJeffCT May 2014 #43
How happy are they Jimmy? NewJeffCT May 2014 #44
Question about Sansa. Baitball Blogger May 2014 #46
she used that line herself when she was talking to Margery TorchTheWitch May 2014 #48
Quick question NewJeffCT May 2014 #60
I don't recall it from the books either TorchTheWitch May 2014 #61
Another question: Baitball Blogger May 2014 #47
no idea really TorchTheWitch May 2014 #49
maybe they're setting up NewJeffCT May 2014 #50
The only Winds of Winter chapter that I'm aware of TorchTheWitch May 2014 #51
I'll see if I can find the links NewJeffCT May 2014 #52
here is one NewJeffCT May 2014 #53
thanks so much! TorchTheWitch May 2014 #58
No problem NewJeffCT May 2014 #59
Here is another NewJeffCT May 2014 #54
summary of chapters out NewJeffCT May 2014 #55
Victarion NewJeffCT May 2014 #56
This week's "If Game of Thrones took Place on Facebook" NewJeffCT May 2014 #57

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
3. Arya kills the Hound?
Sun May 4, 2014, 04:38 PM
May 2014

Hmmm. I don't think I like that. I always rather liked the Hound both in the books and the show.

And I'm still curious why the show suddenly has the White Walkers wearing clothes given last week's episode. Clothes seem stupid on White Walkers.

Baitball Blogger

(46,753 posts)
5. Yikes! The true deceit and degradation of little finger is finally exposed!
Sun May 4, 2014, 09:30 PM
May 2014

Not just the man that orchestrated every major turn of events, but a real monster in bed!

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
18. but I wasn't even considering Sanza really at all
Sun May 4, 2014, 11:41 PM
May 2014

When I said Littlefinger gave me the creeps. He gives me the creeps because he's a psychotic nutball.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
25. Well, Lysa isn't exactly stable, either
Mon May 5, 2014, 10:50 AM
May 2014

I think he's just building himself up & up so he'll eventually be worthy of Catelyn, even though she's dead. His family was too small a deal to be even under consideration for Cat or Lysa when they were younger...

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
33. I think Varys had him pegged...
Mon May 5, 2014, 05:04 PM
May 2014

"Lord Baelish would burn down the kingdom if he could be king of the ashes." That's what so creepy about him. He wants the whole world, is never satisfied with the gains he does get yet would also destroy everything in order to obtain what he wants rendering what he wants useless to have. He said himself that he wants "everything". But even if he had "everything" he'd still never be satisfied. His real enjoyment is in the how he goes about getting something not actually having it, so he's doomed to never having enough.

His "chaos is a ladder" was one of the best speeches in the whole show. It really showed how psychotic he is.



Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
13. “Tears, tears, tears,”
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:05 PM
May 2014

I was half expecting them to race right through that plot in one episode at the rate they were going.

Robin doesn't take very good care of his toys, does he? Yay, a bird! Send it through the moon door!

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
19. oh someone will be going through the moon door
Sun May 4, 2014, 11:44 PM
May 2014

not saying who, why or how though. I'd expected that was going to happen already in tonight's episode.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
26. My guess
Mon May 5, 2014, 10:53 AM
May 2014

is that with Episode 7 being entitled Mockingbird, it might happen then.

However, it would have been an awesome way to end the season with: (spoilers) [font color=white]the "Only Cat" moment, and then have the final scene of the season be the intro of Lady Stoneheart.[/font]

Baitball Blogger

(46,753 posts)
8. Damn. It does look like the brothers will pass each other in the night.
Sun May 4, 2014, 09:53 PM
May 2014

Unless Jon Snow follows another course from the one suggested by the traitor.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
20. I was thinking about that a few days ago
Sun May 4, 2014, 11:47 PM
May 2014

And so many of the book readers all over the intertubes can't figure out why the show couldn't be exactly like the books.



TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
21. I had to laugh at poor Pod
Sun May 4, 2014, 11:49 PM
May 2014

Watching him struggle with his horse was hilarious yet embarrassing for him. You can't help but both laugh and feel so bad for him at the same time.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
22. On the Cutting Room Floor: The Hound Gets Down with His Chicken!
Mon May 5, 2014, 02:35 AM
May 2014

I don't know why but I thought this was hysterical...



NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
28. good scene, though
Mon May 5, 2014, 10:58 AM
May 2014

and, good point about him having armor - as well as Meryn Trant - vs Arya's rapier and Syrio's wooden sword.

Some foreshadowing there.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
35. from the previews I really thought she killed him then
Mon May 5, 2014, 06:03 PM
May 2014

Good interview I watched last night of the actor (Rory McCann) that plays the Hound about his changing relationship with Arya...





blogslut

(38,007 posts)
23. Well, I'm glad the deviation from the book with Bran
Mon May 5, 2014, 02:47 AM
May 2014

turned out the way it did. I've read folks who say the show had to do that to keep Bran's story interesting. I have to admit, in the book, his road trip got rather monotonous.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
27. I'm not a big fan of his storyline, either
Mon May 5, 2014, 10:54 AM
May 2014

However, i do think he'll play a huge role before it's all over.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
32. it's kind of hard to explain
Mon May 5, 2014, 02:24 PM
May 2014

Bloodraven on a message board.

The book also says three-eyed crow, but the show calls it the three eyed raven.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
34. the vision tells him that what he seeks is beneath the tree
Mon May 5, 2014, 05:57 PM
May 2014

and what they've been seeking is the three-eyed raven who Bran, Jojen and Meera all believe he has to meet because this "creature" (for lack of a better word) will show him how to use his powers. Remember that Jojen told Bran that his powers far surpassed his own and he could only teach him very little... he needed to get to the three-eyed raven (that for reasons that become clear later isn't able to go to Bran) to learn what his powers are and how to use them... and probably for what purpose he should use them.

Under the tree is a cave where Bran and his group finally find the three-eyed raven, and he starts to learn things (which is really all I should say about that without spoilers), but even at the end of book five where the book series has thus far ended since the next one hasn't been published yet not much has really been revealed since Bran's meeting with the "three-eyed raven". It would have made more sense if like the books the show called this "creature" the three-eyed crow since it more explained who/what it/he is.

Going by the titles of the episodes this season there's a big huge hint about what they discover in the cave under the tree with the three-eyed raven, and I'm guessing that this is about where the season will end as far as Bran's story line is concerned.

I like the storyline of Bran and his group in the show better than the books so far at least since until the end of book five when they finally find the three-eyed raven all their storyline in the books was just them traveling to find the three-eyed raven which was really drawn out and kind of boring. I also think it makes more sense for Bran in the show to find the route through a vision rather than the insignificant character of Coldhands leading the way as it was in the books. After all, it's his visions that are what is significant in Bran's storyline. Martin built up so much interest and intrigue with the Coldhands character which was probably the only reason anyone kept reading about Bran and his group just continuing to travel north, yet like so many others he turned out to be no one special, so the show did away with him. It really irks me that Martin does this with characters building up so much interest and intrigue about them that not only fall flat when no longer needed but doesn't explain what is most intriguing about them.

There's a really interesting video here that I think is one of those extra things you get when you buy the DVD's that explains sooooo much about things that happened in the past that soooo much better explain a lot of things in the show that they could really only just touch on or never explain really at all. The beginning especially explains some things about Bran's storyline. Fast forward through the guy in the beginning that goes on and on for a good five minutes or more explaining the video and basically just babbling...



SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
40. This could quite possibly be the best TV show ever...
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:07 PM
May 2014

Sunday nights I watch Mad Men and get disappointed with where they are taking that, and then I watch GOT and I spend 20 minutes trying to pick my jaw up off the floor.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
43. In the audiobook
Tue May 6, 2014, 03:19 PM
May 2014

that scene really makes me cringe. The narrator was gravel-voiced British actor Roy Dotrice, who was in his late 70s at the time, and now 90 years old. While he's a terrific narrator overall, just the thought of this guy reading "Oh Petyr! Petyr!" over & over just made me wince.

(As an FYI, Dotrice played the pyromancer at the Battle of the Blackwater in Season 2)

Baitball Blogger

(46,753 posts)
46. Question about Sansa.
Tue May 6, 2014, 07:56 PM
May 2014

Did she make that comment up about being a stupid girl who should never lie, in order to get Lysa off her back, or did someone really tell her that?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
48. she used that line herself when she was talking to Margery
Tue May 6, 2014, 10:09 PM
May 2014

At that time Sansa was explaining to Margery how excited she was when she first came to Kings Landing. She found Winterfell boring, and delighted in the bustle and pageantry of the city particularly what nobles get to do. Her character is a bit in la-la land believing that knights and ladies are really like they are described in fairy tales. It's utterly shocking to her that it's the complete opposite of what she'd always imagined. And unfortunately she learned the hard way just how bad those people she always thought were practically angelic turned out the be completely horrible and completely horrible to HER.

Because Joffrey and Cercei are constantly calling her stupid, I think when she looks back on how naive she'd been she believes it herself. You didn't get the quote right though (probably because of the accent as well as her talking so fast) since what she says is "I'm just a stupid stupid girl that never ever learns." I believe what she means by that is that even when she was being treated so badly and her imaginings what what those people should be like she still for quite some time made excuses for them I guess so she wouldn't have to face just how naive she was and still clung to her illusions about them while blaming herself in taking how they treat her to heart. At that time she has no family or anyone on her side to explain this to her and help her to understand that the problem isn't her... she's completely alone in this hostile environment.

When she has the crazy Lysa encounter by that time she HAS learned, and just spits out the same words in order to place blame on herself so that Lysa would calm down. She's learning how to manipulate people herself.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
60. Quick question
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:01 PM
May 2014

In the books, I don't remember the Lannister gold mines running dry? Did I just forget that part?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
61. I don't recall it from the books either
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:09 PM
May 2014

There was a lot of things said about how much money was owed to the bank and that they needed the Tyrells for several reasons one of which was their wealth. I got the definite impression that the Lannisters used up their funds making loans to Robert and that Littlefinger was also borrowing heavily from the bank during both Robert's reign as well as Joffreys.

In the books Cercei just constantly blows off the Braavos banks trying to get their money. She never finds it to be any concern. But she made a lot of really horrendous decisions.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
49. no idea really
Tue May 6, 2014, 10:49 PM
May 2014

That encounter never happened in the books. I may be just a gift with Cerei being afraid of her daughter forgetting about her family and getting too attached to the people in Dorne. Then again, it also may be a means for her daughter to escape... Cercei never wanted her to go to Dorne in the first place, and it was also Tyrion that arranged Myrcella's future marriage.

I think the biggest point to the whole encounter was that finding out that Oberyn is going to be one of the three judges for Tyrion's trial she wants to try to manipulate him to make sure that he finds Tyrion guilty.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
50. maybe they're setting up
Wed May 7, 2014, 01:26 PM
May 2014

Cersei and her handling of the royal navy? Aurane Waters, I believe? (By the way, did you read the Winds of Winter chapter that mentions Waters?)

Looks like no Kettleblacks, though.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
51. The only Winds of Winter chapter that I'm aware of
Wed May 7, 2014, 01:33 PM
May 2014

is the one about Arya. That one I read, but if there are more I'd like to read them as well.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
52. I'll see if I can find the links
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:02 PM
May 2014

But, there are two Arianne Martell chapters out there, a Victarion, Tyrion and an awesome Barristan chapter. In one of the Arianne chapters, it is mentioned that a new pirate lord with the last name Waters has been harassing ships around the Fingers using ships that match the ships under Aurane Waters...

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
58. thanks so much!
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:00 PM
May 2014

I didn't realize there were so many chapters out already. I'd love to read whatever there is. Thanks for finding whatever you can, and just with this info I can probably have some success searching myself.

I do remember there being something about Waters swiping all the new ships that Cercei was having built in the last book.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
59. No problem
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:08 PM
May 2014

The Theon chapter was really good, too. It actually takes place before the infamous Pink Letter from the end of Dance with Dragons, which is why many people believe the Pink Letter is a fake or flat out wrong.

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