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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 07:54 PM Aug 2014

Was anyone ever as luckless at the Oscars as Peter O'Toole??

1962 - nominated for Lawrence of Arabia, loses to Gregory Peck for To Kill a Mockingbird

1964 - nominated for Becket, loses to Rex Harrison for My Fair Lady

1968 - nominated for The Lion in Winter, loses to Cliff Robertson for Charley

1969 - nominated for Goodbye, Mr. Chips, loses to John Wayne for True Grit

1972- nominated for The Ruling Class, loses to Marlon Brando for The Godfather

1980 - nominated for The Stunt Man, loses to Robert DeNiro for Raging Bull

1982 - nominated for My Favorite Year, loses to Ben Kingsley for Gandhi

2006 - nominated for Venus, loses to Forest Whitaker for The Last King of Scotland

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Was anyone ever as luckless at the Oscars as Peter O'Toole?? (Original Post) Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 OP
He went up against some awesome competition NewJeffCT Aug 2014 #1
It was a lifetime award for Wayne Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #11
This has always been my gripe, but except for Cliff ROBERTSON, the others have always been UTUSN Aug 2014 #2
Like jeff said above -- he had fierce competition Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #10
What about Doris DAY?!1 n/t UTUSN Aug 2014 #3
I don't know that her Oscar misfortunes rise to O'Toole levels, but the Golden Globes were kinder Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #12
Ennio Morricone, nominated five times, never won. Not even nominated for his westerns. CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #4
I agree that Morricone's failure to ever win is a travesty Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #9
Fellini received an honorary one, I believe... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #22
Acting wise, he's the unluckiest bigwillq Aug 2014 #5
O'Connell is among the best in a very small field... Chan790 Aug 2014 #6
Honoray recepient hibbing Aug 2014 #7
I love My Favorite Year - i saw it in a movie theater many moons ago Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #8
But before his gracious acceptance of the honorary, his gracious humility went into refusing UTUSN Aug 2014 #15
interesting hibbing Aug 2014 #17
It should have been Lion in Winter mackerel Aug 2014 #13
He was brilliant, he and Kate going at it is some of the best joeybee12 Aug 2014 #21
Leonardo DiCaprio's closing in on O'Toole. Frank Cannon Aug 2014 #14
He also lost to some great performances NewJeffCT Aug 2014 #20
OtOH, there are those who are WAY overly awarded. (Stepping into it: ) UTUSN Aug 2014 #16
Alfred Hitchcock. (nt) Paladin Aug 2014 #18
Poor Meryl Streep. Nominated 18 times, but only won 3. Liberal Veteran Aug 2014 #19

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
1. He went up against some awesome competition
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 08:48 PM
Aug 2014

Other than John Wayne, which was kind of a lifetime achievement award at the time, all the other performances were equally amazing. So, I agree that if some of those movies were released in different years, he may have won several Oscars.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
11. It was a lifetime award for Wayne
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:12 AM
Aug 2014

It didn't help that O'Toole was nominated that yeat for a) a remake and b) a remake for which the previous lead actor won best actor and c) that the Robert Donat win in '39 is controversial to this day, with one camp saying it should have gone to Gable and the other saying it should have gone to Olivier (and a sizable Jimmy Stewart contingent is out there as well).

UTUSN

(70,720 posts)
2. This has always been my gripe, but except for Cliff ROBERTSON, the others have always been
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 10:01 PM
Aug 2014

in highly popular vehicles, although Lawrence/Arabia was top of the line, but as DUers here have always reminded, Are you really going to deny PECK/Mockingbird?!1

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
10. Like jeff said above -- he had fierce competition
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:07 AM
Aug 2014

Including having to compete with Richard Burton from the same film in Beckett. Today, Burton would have been nomed for lead; O'Toole for supporting, and he'd have won that in a walk.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
12. I don't know that her Oscar misfortunes rise to O'Toole levels, but the Golden Globes were kinder
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:16 AM
Aug 2014

Before there was Mad Men -- before Don Draper -- there was Jerry Webster. Lover Come Back is one of my all time favorites -- with Hudson/Day/Randall and many others.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
4. Ennio Morricone, nominated five times, never won. Not even nominated for his westerns.
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 10:19 PM
Aug 2014

Carter Burwell (Fargo and most of The Coen brothers films) never has been nominated at all and Fargo is one damn fine score.

The closest Alfred Hitchcock, the greatest director ever, came to winning was best song, Que Sera Sera for The Man Who Knew Too Much.

They did give Morricone an honorary Oscar and Hitchcock too. Hitchcock gave the shortest speech in Oscar history, he said, "Thank you, very much indeed" and the last three words were cut off.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
9. I agree that Morricone's failure to ever win is a travesty
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:05 AM
Aug 2014

I'm not sure I'd agree that Hitch is the greatest director ever, but he was a great director, and it's certainly odd that he never won.

He has 5 nominations for Best Director. I'll share with you the other 5x nominees and their records:

4 – John Ford (5)
2 – Elia Kazan (5)
2 – George Stevens (5)
1 – George Cukor (5)
1 – Michael Curtiz (5)
1 – John Huston (5)
0 – Robert Altman (5)
0 – Clarence Brown (5)
0 – Alfred Hitchcock (5)
0 – King Vidor (5)


By the way, the list of 4x nominees who've been shut out isn't too shabby

0 – Federico Fellini (4)
0 – Stanley Kubrick (4)
0 – Sidney Lumet (4)
0 – Peter Weir (4)

Back to Hitch

1940: He loses for Rebecca to John Ford for The Grapes of Wrath
1944: He loses for Lifeboat to Leo McCarey for Going My Way.
1945: He loses for Spellbound to Billy Wilder for The Lost Weekend
1954: He loses for Rear Window to Elia Kazan for On the Waterfront
1960: He loses for Psycho to Billy Wilder for The Apartment

RE 1960: I think he should have won for Psycho, even though I'd have still given BP to The Apartment. Psych is a masterful building of suspense and a wicked plot twist. We all know about the shower scene now, but seeing that movie for the first time, you'd be thinking it was going in a different direction.
RE 1944: IMO, the best director that year should have gone to Billy Wilder for Double Indemnity

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
22. Fellini received an honorary one, I believe...
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 02:36 PM
Aug 2014

He and Kubrick were far too talented for Oscar voters to understand they were actually seeing art.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
5. Acting wise, he's the unluckiest
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 10:26 PM
Aug 2014

But Kevin O'Connell, a sound re-recording mixer, has been nominated 20 times without winning.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
6. O'Connell is among the best in a very small field...
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 11:34 PM
Aug 2014

I'd be surprised if he wasn't nominated yearly. I'm surprised he's never won.

Well, no, I'm not...the Oscars are very starfucker. If you're a big enough film or loved enough, you can win for things you didn't even do well. To wit, Avatar. a film with a negligible amount of non-CGI shots outside of the first 15 minutes won "best cinematography." Note the computer-generated scenes may not be considered in the evaluation of cinematographic work for this award.

It's really easy to get passed over many times if you don't work on blockbusters or awards-darlings.

hibbing

(10,100 posts)
7. Honoray recepient
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 11:51 PM
Aug 2014

Hi,
I remember watching his acceptance speech for his honorary Oscar, what a gracious statement it was. The video is out there in googleland.

And if you haven't seen My Favorite Year, you should.

Peace

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
8. I love My Favorite Year - i saw it in a movie theater many moons ago
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 12:44 AM
Aug 2014

However, my favorite underrrated/underappreciated Peter O'Toole performance is is voice work as Anton Ego in the Dixney/Pixar film Ratatouille

UTUSN

(70,720 posts)
15. But before his gracious acceptance of the honorary, his gracious humility went into refusing
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:56 AM
Aug 2014

He was approached about an honorary, and he demurred ever so graciously and humbly, paraphrasing, "Oh, no, perhaps I still have time to EARN one?!1"

Here's the deal, the Academy is not nothing if not scarfing-up of the glorious names of others for its own glory, so bringing in a Name into its circus is always a commodity to be yearned after. Most of the showbizzers are themselves dying for the spotlight.

But not him, at least not that time. I think I detect the subtlest DIG at them.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
14. Leonardo DiCaprio's closing in on O'Toole.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:24 AM
Aug 2014

1994, What's Eating Gilbert Grape - Best Supporting Actor, lost to Tommy Lee Jones for The Fugitive.

2005, The Aviator - Best Actor, lost to Jamie Foxx for Ray.

2007, Blood Diamond - Best Actor, lost to Forest Whitaker for The Last King of Scotland.

2014, The Wolf of Wall Street - Best Actor, lost to Matthew McConaughey for Dallas Buyers Club.

2014, The Wolf of Wall Street - Best Picture (as producer), lost to Brad Pitt, Dede Gardner, Jeremy Kleiner, Steve McQueen, and Anthony Katagas for 12 Years a Slave.


NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
20. He also lost to some great performances
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 02:26 PM
Aug 2014

He's still young enough that he can be nominated a few more times.

UTUSN

(70,720 posts)
16. OtOH, there are those who are WAY overly awarded. (Stepping into it: )
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 09:08 AM
Aug 2014

I've never seen more than a scene of anything with Katherine HEPBURN, but neither her vehicles or her presence have ever drawn me the least little bit. Yeah:

I have never believed that it was a tie for STREISAND's Funny Girl. Can anybody really explain how it could be in terms of just plain numbers? -- Was it an even number of votes cast? And it was a tie? STREISAND was clearly the biggest thing in (generations?). With the HEP's already having gotten enough (did she even show up to accept anything?), this should have been a clean win for STREISAND.

Besides that, there are scores of one-time whosits that nobody remembers or cares about who got those knickknacks. It's almost all not only subjective, but a game of power, money, and trade-offs in the background.

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