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Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:34 AM Sep 2014

Group work in college...ironic.

Last edited Sat Sep 20, 2014, 05:39 PM - Edit history (1)

I have done a lot of group work in college over my academic career. I can only think of one time when it worked out equitably and without problems. I guess doing group work in college is supposed to prepare you for your professional career. However, I've been in the workforce for 25 years, and group work when paying your bills depends on it and group work when you are just looking for a 'C' or better are two entirely different things and a lot of people behave much differently in each situation.

I am in my final semester at school, and I'm taking the capstone course for the business major. That means that the course draws on knowledge that you've attained in all of your previous business courses. It's an online class. The course is only open to seniors, and it's got about nine prerequisites. So you would expect the people in such a class to be highly motivated, achievement-oriented types of people, right? Yeah, I would, too.

Thirty percent of our grade in that class is in group work. We have three large papers to write as a group. There are seven members in my group, and the group was formed on September 5th. Our first paper is due September 29th, and we're supposed to submit it for review to the school's writing center by next Wednesday. One group member didn't bother checking in until Monday of this week and one didn't bother until Thursday night.

Everyone in the group dragged their feet for a week and a half basically waiting for someone to tell them what to do. I created an outline for the paper, assigning group roles for the various sections, but a couple of members didn't like that so we spent a couple of days getting bogged down in a cluster fuck. It got to the point that the instructors had to chime in and tell everybody that, look, Tobin does indeed really know what he's talking about and has some very good ideas for your paper. On Tuesday of this week, I took some ideas from the other students into consideration, revised the outline, and set a timeline for our first draft to be done. I told everyone that if they got rough drafts of their sections turned into me by Friday night, I would put together a very good first draft and have it out to them by Sunday evening.

One person got back to me last night, and that was to say he wouldn't have his portion of the work in until later this morning. Nobody else has said a thing. I haven't received any work from anyone.

What that probably means is that I'm going to end up doing about 80% of the work in our group. That's the way it usually works out. I have no idea how these people got to this point in their college careers. On the job, the penalty for not doing your work is harsh. I'm afraid the lesson of group work in college is lost on most people.

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Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. I can think of a couple of options
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:10 AM
Sep 2014

1). Peer pressure from those that do actually turn in anything, even if it isn't great stuff. Perhaps those that do any of the work can be leveraged to push the folks that are late or do nothing.

2). Go to the instructor and be very clear as to who was assigned what sections and try to enlist their help in "motivating" those who seem a bit less interested in the effort.

3). Try a carrot & stick approach, although I don't know what either of those might be.

Good Luck.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
2. Anyone assigned a group project in college should assume that their grade
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 09:26 AM
Sep 2014

depends upon them doing 100% of the work!


The related issue is group work done on solo assignments: Five persons divvy up a five problem homework page, do one problem each, copy the work and answers and each hand it in to get an A. You do the entire homework yourself, make one or two mistakes, and get a C.
Comes exam time, you get an A- because you know the work, and they all get D- because they don't. Result: the instructor tosses his previously announced policy giving 75% of your grade from the exam, and replaces it with a policy giving 80% of your grade from the homework!


Bonus: Human Relations people who will only give interviews to grads with a 3.5 or better.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
3. I don't understand why professors think this is good thing.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 10:32 AM
Sep 2014

It is not fair for others to coast on the work of one or two people.

I would be petty and tell the professor that half or more of your group is not doing any work whatsoever and ask him if you can take their names off. It's not fair that they should get credit for work you do. Or fair that you should suffer because they didn't do any work.

They should really fail the assignment. But you shouldn't have to do their work for them, either.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
4. Most learning mgt software systems I'm familiar with can track student activity.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 12:31 PM
Sep 2014

If the other members of your group aren't checking in, or specifically visiting the group site, your instructor can tell.

That said, I think the better application of group work is in more complex projects than writing a paper. One instructor I've worked with would assign group projects and step one was members of the group assigning specific roles to the group members-- which they would report back to the teacher before doing anything else. Each member was in some way primarily responsible for shepherding through a portion of the project and it would be obvious if they slacked off-- not simply covered by their partners working harder to compensate.

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
8. I'm sure the instructors realize to a certain degree who is working and who is not.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 05:30 PM
Sep 2014

And we do have group evaluation and member evaluation forms to complete after each paper is turned in. But I'd bet that a certain amount of sleuthing is necessary to get an accurate picture.

This is what I do. On our group site I can also send messages to the class instructors. Before I send out every message to the group, I make sure that I've selected "All Participants" so that the instructors get a copy as well. They can probably access those messages anyway, but this way I am sure that they are getting them.

The professor has said that those who do not provide much input will be penalized, but the main thing for me is that I have to do the work of five people instead of one to get the project to completion. I get a good grade for that kind of effort, but, Jesus, I've got a life, too, and I'm basically going to spend this entire weekend chained to my computer.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,693 posts)
5. My dear Tobin...
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 01:12 PM
Sep 2014

It seems that you always get stuck with being the adult in these situations. It's not right.

There are some good suggestions in your thread and I hope they're workable for you.

Hang in there!

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
6. You may get a Group Grade but, Your Individual Grade will be an "A" and the other students
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 01:21 PM
Sep 2014

will get a grade that reflects their input equally.

Do not worry, Tobin.

Just keep doing your best, put forth your best quality work and your Professor will recognize it.

The day you get your grades for this class, post your results and You and I will toast and drink a beer to your "A".

Give Jen a hug for me ----

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
10. Groupwork Sucks!
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 11:27 PM
Sep 2014

In grad school we had a bit of groupwork in many classes, but it wasn't a huge part of the grade. Except in one class, where it was a huge part of the grade. Another girl and I did the actual assignment, the other three people did not much and what they did was irrelevant. The professor had no idea who did the work, because we all got the same grade. My lowest grade in grad school. I resent groupwork in a major way, always have.

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