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http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/52-common-myths-and-misconceptions-debunked
kairos12
(12,862 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)Of course, the sugar myth above debunks a link between sugar and ADHD, and sugar and poor behavior. Neither of those are really a common myth about sugar. Excess energy, of course, exists outside of adhd, and so does poor behavior.
That sugar causes peaks and crashes? THAT might be impossible to debunk.
Wabbajack_
(1,300 posts)If the water is close to boiling putting a decent amount in the pot does indeed appear to make it boil faster.
Dr. Xavier
(278 posts)an hour, wasn't debunked. Hmmm, what does that tell you?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)Rozlee
(2,529 posts)At least, I've read about references that he separated the all male marijuana plants from the female plants. If he only wanted to use it for hemp, why completely separate the females, that have the highest concentration of THC? I'll bet he did so smoke a phat one on most nights.
Bucky
(54,027 posts)The argument you're making is the equivalent of saying...
: Jill walked up to the top of the Empire State Building.
: Jill jumped off the Empire State Building to commit suicide.
◦ Therefore everyone who walks up to the top of the Empire State Building is planning on committing suicide.
Sorry, but logic doesn't work that way. To argue "Washington smoked pot" you'd have to have a line of evidence that actually showed he'd smoked pot. As a history teacher (and one-time pothead) I've looked into this. There is no evidence to support the claim.
You are, of course, free to hold onto any cherished beliefs you hold for whatever sentimental reasons you wish to hold onto them. But you need to recognize that this is an article of faith on your part, not a fact-supported conclusion.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)It has its place, but speculation can be fun, especially if the subject is one who is long dead and has had so many legends and perceptions/misperceptions tied to him, such as the cherry tree and the wooden teeth. Another path down the road to illogical, but still intriguing (for me) conjecture; did George Washington ever take any of the pain medications such as laudanum for his tooth problems? I don't believe it's illogical to make the assumption that his dental problems were painful. I've had a couple that were excruciating. I've always been interested in the horror modern conservatives express over drug use today when people unwittingly gave their children tinctures of medicine mixed with opiates, ether and hashish before drug prohibition for coughs and women took them to address lack of vitality. Or how they claim cartoons today promote homosexuality because some character holds hands with another of the same sex, but seem to think Bugs Bunny is wholesome, although he routinely kisses his male protagonists.
Just illogical musings that are fun for me.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)CDC Chief Admits that Vaccines Trigger Autism
Published on Apr 2, 2008
Ginger Taylor
Julie Gerberding, the head of the CDC, went on CNN's House Call with Dr. Sanjay Gupta to discuss the Hannah Poling case and admitted that vaccines trigger autism in a subset of the population with mitochondrial disorders.
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Addendum: Gerberding/CDC/HHS has given several names to the phenomenon of Vaccine Induced Autism. Gerberding calls it the "symptoms of autism" in this interview, "autism like syndrome" during a previous CDC press conference and HHS refers to it as "vaccine induced encepalopathy" on their website for the Vaccine Injury Compensation fund.
I wrote this piece (see link below) to point out the absurdity of trying to fool the American people into thinking that vaccines cause something that looks exactly like autism, and in fact is diagnosed as autism by every professional the child sees, but is actually an "autism like syndrome" with the "symptoms of autism" that occurred following a "vaccine induced encepalopathy" which has the exact same symptoms as autism, but it is not really autism... oh... and by the way... vaccines don't cause autism.
It is time to end the word games and deal with the problem.
MORE.
Congressional Briefing on the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
Published on Dec 12, 2013
The Canary Party
On November 7th, 2013, members of the vaccine injury community held a briefing for congressional staffers to present many of the problems in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in preparation for hearings in the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
Professor Mary Holland, Head of Graduate Legal Studies at NYU, and Rolf Hazelhurst, father in one of the test cases in the Omnibus Autism Proceeding and Assistant District Attorney General, State of Tennessee, present the case against the VICP and call for reform.
http://www.ebcala.org/amicus-briefs
http://www.ebcala.org/areas-of-law/vaccine-law/chairman-issa-postpones-vicp-hearing
http://www.ebcala.org/?s=wyeth
The Obscure Federal Court: National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
By Louis Conte and Wayne Rohde
National Law Review published an article on the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) on 10/13/14. The author, Jenna Greene, did a thorough job of interviewing people who have worked in the program and reported on concerns that many people concerned about vaccine injury have been pointing out for years.
We recommend that people read the full article here: http://www.nationallawjournal.com/home/id=1202673075069/Vaccine-Cases-Fill-This-Courts-Docket
The article noted how contentious the program has become. Many of the comments in the article are remarkable. Here is a sampling:
"I'm so disappointed in it," said Michael Hugo, senior litigation counsel to Khorrami Boucher's Boston office it makes me sick to try to do these cases because I've seen how bad it has become."
It wasn't supposed to be difficult. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program was originally created as a bail-out for pharmaceutical companies, which during the 1980s were being hammered in court by juries sympathetic to brain-damaged children, even if the vaccine makers had properly produced the product. By the end of 1984, only one company was still making the diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine and shortages loomed.
"It was supposed to be a friendly, fast alternative program that didn't require the protections plaintiffs would have in civil litigation," such as discovery or trial by jury, Gentry said. "It's the complete opposite."
Once again, HRSAs David Bowman comments about autism cases:
The fight these days isn't about autism, at least not much. In 2010, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit upheld two decisions by special masters rejecting a causal connection between vaccines and autism. Since then, 4,926 of 5,637 autism cases have been dismissed by the vaccine court, according David Bowman, a spokesman for the Health Resources and Services Administration. The court "has not compensated any cases based upon autism alone in the absence of sudden serious brain illness after vaccination," he wrote in an email.
These would be cases that read like this one Bailey Banks v. HHS (02-0738V):
The Court found that Bailey's ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccination. It is well-understood that the vaccination at issue can cause ADEM, and the Court found, based upon a full reading and hearing of the pertinent facts in this case, that it did actually cause the ADEM. Furthermore, Bailey's ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage, and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized heading of Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD [an autism spectrum disorder]. The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine, and that this chain of causation was... a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to Pervasive Developmental Delay.
Once again, the federal government concedes that vaccine injury that results in brain damage can also include autism.
But vaccines dont cause autism, so we are told.
Will Congress ever hold hearings on the NVICP and call people like Bowman in to ask a simple questions like Would these children have autism if they didnt suffer vaccine injuries?
Or, will Congress continue to cave into the pharmaceutical industry lobbying?
- Louis Conte & Wayne Rohde
The Autism War (fiction) available at Barnes & Noble and Amazon.
The Vaccine Court (nonfiction) available at Barnes & Noble and Amazon.
Dear Nancy Grace,
I watched a clip from your Monday, November 3, 2014, show and wanted to send you a letter. I could see that you were shocked about something and would like to add to what you asked Becky Estepp to explain to you in plain terms.
Im glad you asked for further explanation of such an important topic. More people need to know that they cannot sue vaccine manufacturers if they encounter a problem with a vaccine. Not being able to take legal action for something that is pushed so heavily is an unfortunate truth.
Im sure youve had a chance by now to visit the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services webpage that explains what the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is. Anyone contemplating a vaccine should take time to read through that site and understand what that program entails. It includes crucial information that isnt overly advertised like vaccines are.
One the website, you saw what the US government recognizes as a vaccine injury. You read about the steps it takes to file a claim and learn about the Vaccine Court process. You saw the breakdown of past claims. You caught sight of several charts and a statistic report. You read about an excise tax, a tax paid by vaccine consumers that the government uses to pay claims. I hope you also clicked on the link that shows how much has been compensated (which, as of November 3, 2014, is $3,021,080,103.09) to the vaccine injured and to families whove lost a loved one due to a vaccine.
Now, I dont think Ive seen any first-hand accounts from families on that particular website, but you can contact me if you want to hear my familys experience with that program. Fair warning: our experience was terrible. Terrible!
Here is some of our story.
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Cathy Jameson is a Contributing Editor for Age of Autism.
Posted by Age of Autism at November 09, 2014 at 5:45 AM in Cathy Jameson
marble falls
(57,124 posts)Orrex
(63,216 posts)1. Wrong forum for a serious discussion of the issue.
2. Hannah Polling hasn't been diagnosed with autism and therefore she offers no support for people who believe that her case somehow justifies the fear that vaccines cause autism..
I'll discuss this no further here, but I encourage you to post your message in the Heath forum.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Dr. Jon Poling to Dr. Steven Novella: Don't Attack the Moms
Managing Editor's Note: The following is a letter sent to Dr. Steven Novella, a neurologist at Yale University, from Dr. Jon Poling. (We've printed the letter with permission.) Dr. Novella is the founder of The New England Skeptical Society (meetings, 1st Tuesday of the month, on the lawn of the House of the Seven Gables, Salem, MA. BYOB (bring your own blinders.) and is a contributing editor to Quackwatch. Dr. Poling is a neurologist/PhD and the father of Miss Hannah Poling.
Dear Dr. Novella,
Your assertion that the scientific question of Autism etiology belongs to the medical community rather than Hollywood Stars is correct. I also agree that Hollywood opinions are more likely to be broadcast to millions because of their position in the media. This heightened awareness is nothing but a positive thing for the million families struggling with this difficult, and all too common, disorder. Jenny McCarthy is an Autism Mom looking for answers and rattling some cagesgood for her. Amanda Peet is a new mom who believes in the importance of vaccines to protect her babygood for her too. Dont attack the moms, listen to them.
These issues are very complex as we exchanged before and not amenable to soundbites. Regarding your entry on Hannahs case, your blog entry unfortunately propagates several of the mistakes from the media.
In criticizing the journalism of Mr. David Kirby, you wrote:He refers again to the Hannah Poling case, a girl with a mitochondrial disorder who developed a neurodegenerative disorder with features of autism after getting a fever from vaccines.
ActuallyHannah has diagnoses of DSM-IV Autism (by JHU/KKI psychology) and mitochondrial disorder (by two metabolic experts). The only degeneration that occurred (along with 6mos of total growth failure) after 18mos of NORMAL development followed vaccination and nothing else! Of course, any scientist can obviously point out that temporal correlation in a single case never proves causation. Rule number one of pediatrics though is LISTEN TO THE MOM. Are 10s of thousands of autism moms over the last decade suffering from mass hysteria induced by Hollywood? Not likely.
You also noted:This special case - which is not a case of autism being caused by toxins in vaccines - says nothing about the broader vaccine-autism debate.
The only thing unique about my little girls case is the level of medical documentation5 to 20% of patients with ASDs have mitochondrial dysfunction. Many other cases where mitochondrial testing is WNL is because "we never looked" not because the testing would be "within normal limits." Most mitochondrial experts will tell you that the dots of autism and mitochondrial disorders are strongly connected.
Finally, you say:The case was settled (not judged in Polings favor, but settled) because both sides realized it was a special case that could not be extrapolated to other vaccine-autism cases.
The case was not settled, it was conceded by medical representatives of Sec HHS. We are obviously pleased with the HHS decision to concede our case, but we had NOTHING to do with the concession. This was a unilateral decision from HHS (recall that HHS is the respondent, rather than the vaccine maker, as manufacturers have blanket liability protection afforded by the Vaccine Injury Program established in 1986) I will not speculate on the obvious questionwhy concede? Hannahs case was positioned to set precedent as a test case in the Omnibus Autism Proceedings for potentially thousands of other cases.
With regard to the science of Autism, I have no argument with the assertion that a single case does not prove causation of a generalized autism-vaccine link. What the case does illustrate though is a more subtle point that many physicians cannot or do not want to comprehend (ostensibly because vaccines are too important to even question). Autism is a heterogeneous disorder defined by behavioral criteria and having multiple causes. Epidemiological studies which have not found a link between autism and aspects of vaccination do not consider the concept of autism subgroups. Indeed, in a heterogeneous disorder like Autism, subgroups may indeed be vaccine-injured but the effect is diluted out in the larger population (improperly powered study due to inability to calculate effect size with unknown susceptible subpopulation). I think former NIH Director, Dr. Bernadine Healey explained it best in that population epidemiology studies are not granular enough to rule-out a susceptible subgroup.
Furthermore, science has not systematically studied the children who fell ill following vaccination to determine what the cause(s) for their adverse reaction was. It would follow that if you never tried to understand why a single child developed encephalopathy following vaccinationyou wouldnt have the first clue as to what aspects of vaccination you could alter which could increase the relative risk of that adverse event (whether it be thimerosal, live virus, or too many). Could the susceptibility be a mitochondrial genetic haplogroup similar to Chloramphenicol toxicitysure it could! Why did a few Alzheimers patients die of fatal encephalitis following administration of the failed AN-1792 vaccine, but the majority had no ill effects (vaccine didnt work though)?
Definition: Autism is a heterogeneous systemic disorder with primary neuropsychiatric manifestations due to complex genetic and gene-environmental interactions likely affecting synaptic plasticity early in childhood development. This new theory of Autism is rapidly replacing the old guard dictum that Autism is a genetically predetermined developmental brain disorder of synaptic formation/pruning that is set in motion prenatally. By the 10 year rule of science, your time is about up!
Until the biological basis of ASD subgroups are better understood, further epidemiological and genetic studies regarding Autism causation will be relatively meaningless. We need good science to be able to address these complex issues which parallel nicely the emerging story of genetic and environmental influences in Parkinsons disease. Perhaps some Parkinsons researchers want to take a crack at Autism?
Recommended SCIENCE reading for the evening:
Altered calcium homeostasis in autism-spectrum disorders: evidence from biochemical and genetic studies of the mitochondrial aspartate/glutamate carrier AGC1. Mol Psychiatry 2008 Jul 8. (The discussion includes thimerosal as a potential toxin that could trigger further perturbations of calcium homeostasis leading to neuronal injuryand in a mainstream Nature publication no less)
Thank-you Dr. Novella and his band of skeptics for continuing the debate.
Dr. Jon Poling
Jon S. Poling MD PhD
Managing Partner, Athens Neurological Associates
Clinical Assistant Professor, Department of Neurology, Medical College of Georgia
Diplomate, American Association of Neuromuscular and Electrodiagnostic Medicine
ASN Certified in MRI and CT Neuroimaging
Posted by Age of Autism at July 22, 2008
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Poling's letter dates from July 2008. This suggests either that Hannah has received no corroborating diagnosis since that time or that a subsequent diagnosis excludes autism. If you have a more current source, I suggest that you offer it.
However, since you accept a years-old assertion as definitive, then here's something published just two months earlier in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Dr. Poling writes:
Dr. Poling writes:
I said that I'm not going to debate this here, so I'm replying to repeat that and also to state that I certainly won't debate with someone who simply posts lengthy citations with no commentary, in effect requiring me to debate with someone's writings from nearly a decade ago.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)YOU SAID:
"2. Hannah Polling hasn't been diagnosed with autism and therefore she offers no support for people who believe that her case somehow justifies the fear that vaccines cause autism."
HER FATHER SAID:
"ActuallyHannah has diagnoses of DSM-IV Autism (by JHU/KKI psychology) and mitochondrial disorder (by two metabolic experts)."
Dr. Poling is a neurologist MD/PhD
JHU: Johns Hopkins University
KKI: http://www.kennedykrieger.org
Your facts are incorrect.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)It's my understanding that Dr. Zimmerman left Hopkins and is now at Harvard. Go, HARVARD!
Andrew Zimmerman / Poling v HHS Exhibit 3
Published by Heather Rhodes White
In a second case Zimmerman was called to give his expert report on was Poling v. HHS. He revised his testimony, which was in complete contradiction from Cedillo v. HHS. His report to the Special Masters;
The cause for regressive encephalopathy in Hannah (Poling) at age 19 months was underlying mitochondrial dysfunction, exacerbated by vaccine-induced fever and immune stimulation that exceeded metabolic energy reserves. This acute expenditure of metabolic reserves led to permanent irreversible brain injury. Thus, if not for this event, Hannah may have led a normal full productive life. Presently, I predict Hannah will have a normal lifespan but with significant lifelong disability.
RELATED:
http://www.ebcala.org/areas-of-law/vaccine-law/chairman-issa-postpones-vicp-hearing
http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/pelr/vol28/iss2/6/
...The data presented in Dr. Mumpers review of the medical literature, suggests that ASD may be impacted by environmental toxicants, duration of breastfeeding, gut flora composition, nutritional status, acetaminophen use, vaccine practices and use of antibiotics and/or frequency of infections. In her current general pediatric practice (Advocates for Children), she has noted a modest trend toward a lower prevalence of ASD than in her previous pediatric practice or recent prevalence estimates from the CDC.
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The final commentary was written by Dr. Herbert, who presents her paper entitled Everyday Epigenetics from Molecular Intervention to Public Health and Lifestyle Medicine. She asserts that it may well take a grass roots epigenetic/lifestyle medicine revolution to avert the worsening health trends we are facing in the setting of a progressively more toxic and endangered planet. She posits that everyday epigenetics can inform science of what is possible so that society can respond on an appropriate scale to the magnitude of the crisis we are facing...
proverbialwisdom
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proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)nxylas
(6,440 posts)But then, I watch a lot of QI.
Here's one of my favourite clips for those who don't know what I'm talking about - plenty more on YouTube if you like it.
progressoid
(49,992 posts)And the new season has started.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)since I don't understand why "evolution is a theory" is a myth.
Others I did not know but I have no doubt that they are true, and many I did know but have at times banged my head against the wall trying to get others to realize the truth.
Ampersand Unicode
(503 posts)The strength of a scientific theory is related to the diversity of phenomena it can explain, and to its elegance and simplicity (Occam's razor). As additional scientific evidence is gathered, a scientific theory may be rejected or modified if it does not fit the new empirical findings- in such circumstances, a more accurate theory is then desired. In certain cases, the less-accurate unmodified scientific theory can still be treated as a theory if it is useful (due to its sheer simplicity) as an approximation under specific conditions (e.g. Newton's laws of motion as an approximation to special relativity at velocities which are small relative to the speed of light).
Scientific theories are testable and make falsifiable predictions. They describe the causal elements responsible for a particular natural phenomenon, and are used to explain and predict aspects of the physical universe or specific areas of inquiry (e.g. electricity, chemistry, astronomy). Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the common usage of the word "theory", which implies that something is a conjecture, hypothesis, or guess (i.e., unsubstantiated and speculative).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
Evolution is like a framework or specification from which further developments can arise. It's different from, say, a detective having a "theory" about who committed a murder. That kind of theory is an educated guess. Think of like musical theory or even criminal theory, i.e. a framework of learning. It doesn't mean the existence of music or crime is sketchy at best. It means that using the building blocks from musical theory, one can produce a symphony or even a popular rock song. Using the building blocks from criminal theory, one can study forensics, criminal behavior, etc.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Maybe I understand what you are saying---that when some people use the term "theory", they do not understand what it means. Since I have a degree in biology, I am aware of what a scientific theory is, and since evolution is studied in the sciences, I would have assumed that anyone speaking of the "theory of evolution" is thinking of a theory as scientific theory.
So is it that the reason evolution is not a theory---just because some people don't know what a theory is in science?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Of course, that unawareness can be honest or faked, but either way the confusion comes from using "theory" in the common-language sense of being just some idea someone had
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)don't we?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,085 posts)Amorphous solids, because they have no electronically bonded crystal structure, have fluid properties and they do in fact flow at less than glacial rates.
The rheology of amorphous solids is extremely difficult to measure and predict but the physical chemistry concepts that reflect flow properties are very well established and are not refutable.
So, it's not just "badly made glass".
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Ampersand Unicode
(503 posts)There's an Urban Dictionary calendar and even an Uncyclopedia calendar. I wonder if this site has their own.
Yavin4
(35,443 posts)Tax cuts to the wealthy trickle down to average citizens and increase growth.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)sir pball
(4,743 posts)At the singularity, spacetime and gravity have infinite curvature so it is a "hole" in the fabric of reality, as it were.
Course, the "black hole" is really the event horizon anyway. Which is a "hole" for light, it goes in but can't get out. Man, those things are hard to simplify.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Some people believe it and some don't. I actually like to sleep with a fan on at night.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)China wall was clearly visible. Was in an astronomy class, trying to find 'life on earth'.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)54. If a dog has purple spots on tongue it is part Chow.
55. Republican leadership is better for the economy.
56. Thomas Edison invented the light bulb -- it was Volta.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)Plus: Martyrs & 72 virgins:
You notice they didn't mention that ABORTION is not mentioned in the New Testament....anywhere.
Just a bunch of right-wing skeptic wish list propaganda.