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Related: Culture Forums, Support Forumsgrammar/language nazi question: do we need the word "inclement"?
the word basically means bad weather. so, "inclement weather", the only use of the word "inclement" i've ever seen, means "bad weather weather". it's redundant. and also repetitive, too
"inclemency" says it all. my commute today took longer than usual due to inclemency.
of course, as a practical matter, if i drop the word "inclemency" into casual conversation, people might not know what i mean; "inclement weather", especially in the context of however i'm using that phrase, usually makes what i'm intending to convey pretty clear.
"you're going on a trip? be sure to pack for inclemency"
"wtf you talking about, unblock?"
"i mean, be sure to pack for inclement weather"
"oh, got it, why didn't you say that in the first place?"
that said, strictly speaking, shouldn't we prefer the word "inclemency"?
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)nt
unblock
(52,257 posts)i don't think you can have a "inclement basement" or an "inclement sandwich".
the question is, why have an adjectival form of the word if there's only one noun it can really modify, "weather", and "inclemency" already connotes that noun.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)clem·en·cy
noun
mercy; lenience.
"an appeal for clemency"
synonyms: mercy, mercifulness, leniency, mildness, indulgence, quarter;
valerief
(53,235 posts)severa vetero.
If we change the preference in English, will it change in Esperanto, too?
So many domino effects to consider...
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)It is in-KLEM-ent. It does not rhyme with "increment".
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)...thank goodness.
Polybius
(15,437 posts)Other than by meteorologists. Regular people don't say it.
surrealAmerican
(11,362 posts)... if a judge does not grant "clemency", does that mean the accused will be treated "inclemently"?
unblock
(52,257 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)really.
That's what "big words" accomplish: precision.
Unless one uses "utilizes" when "uses" is the very SAME meaning.
unblock
(52,257 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)I just wonder, is sesquipedalian an example of onomatopoeia? It sounds long.
flying rabbit
(4,636 posts)hunter
(38,318 posts)Excavating for a mine,
Lived a miner, forty-niner
And his daughter Clementine
Oh my Darling, Oh my Darling,
Oh my Darling Clementine.
You are lost and gone forever,
Dreadful sorry, Clementine.
Light she was and like a fairy,
And her shoes were number nine
Herring boxes without topses
Sandals weren't for Clementine.
CHORUS:
Drove she ducklings to the water
Every morning just at nine,
Hit her foot against a splinter
Fell into the foaming brine.
CHORUS:
Ruby lips above the water,
Blowing bubbles soft and fine,
But alas, I was no swimmer,
So I lost my Clementine.
CHORUS:
How I missed her! How I missed her!
How I missed my Clementine,
Till I kissed her little sister,
And forgot my Clementine.
CHORUS:
Then the miner, forty-niner,
Soon began to peak and pine,
Thought he oughter join his daughter,
Now he's with his Clementine.
CHORUS:
In the church yard in the canyon
Where the myrtle doth entwine
There grows roses and other posies
Fertilized by Clementine.
If you ask me, Clementine was too good for this shallow rat bastard, and I pity the younger sister.
Okay, back to the subject of the original post, inclement is a word I personally do without, but I trust in the anarchy of language. I ain't a grammar Nazi.
The language you use is the language you own. Language's only function is to communicate with the people you are attempting to communicate with.
I would say, "pack for nasty weather, both cold and wet..."
blogslut
(38,002 posts)I say keep it.
unblock
(52,257 posts)the word "gorgeous" always makes me think of ithaca, new york, because they "ithaca is gorgeous" because it has many gorges.
panader0
(25,816 posts)DFW
(54,410 posts)That is, if the patient they're operating on is named "Clement."
steve2470
(37,457 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)because an adjective (or adverb) describes only one particular noun does not make it a redundancy.
Normally, I'd agree with you re: "inclemency," except I can find only examples that also include "weather":
"Protection of interior of existing structures at all times from damage, dust and weather inclemency."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inclemency
Moreover, trying to "educate" others on unusual or rare or even common-but-incorrect usages is a thankless task!
See: FORTE.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)1660s, from French inclément and directly from Latin inclementem (nominative inclemens) "harsh, unmerciful," from in- "not, opposite of, without" (see in- (1)) + clementem "mild, placid." "Limitation to weather is curious" {Weekley}.
inclemency (n.)
1550s, from Middle French inclémence and directly from Latin inclementia "rigor, harshness, roughness," from inclemens (see inclement).
Don't be so intemperate about a word
intemperate (adj.)
"characterized by excessive indulgence in a passion or appetite," late 14c., from Latin intemperatus "untempered, inclement, immoderate," from in- "not, opposite of" (see in- (1)) + temperantia (see temperance). Related: Intemperately.
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)reason to abandon it. Let 500,000 words bloom!
unblock
(52,257 posts)merry mary, marry me....
in any event, merry doesn't *mean* happy christmas. weather is part of the definition of inclement.
merry christmas is not redundant, but inclement weather is.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Not the same thing.