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(52,257 posts)
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 06:31 PM Jan 2015

grammar/language nazi question: do we need the word "inclement"?

the word basically means bad weather. so, "inclement weather", the only use of the word "inclement" i've ever seen, means "bad weather weather". it's redundant. and also repetitive, too

"inclemency" says it all. my commute today took longer than usual due to inclemency.


of course, as a practical matter, if i drop the word "inclemency" into casual conversation, people might not know what i mean; "inclement weather", especially in the context of however i'm using that phrase, usually makes what i'm intending to convey pretty clear.

"you're going on a trip? be sure to pack for inclemency"
"wtf you talking about, unblock?"
"i mean, be sure to pack for inclement weather"
"oh, got it, why didn't you say that in the first place?"

that said, strictly speaking, shouldn't we prefer the word "inclemency"?

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grammar/language nazi question: do we need the word "inclement"? (Original Post) unblock Jan 2015 OP
in·clem·ent (adj): unpleasantly cold or wet Electric Monk Jan 2015 #1
i think it means unpleasantly cold or wet *weather*. unblock Jan 2015 #2
You could try asking Inclement Quartet, perhaps Electric Monk Jan 2015 #5
It means without clemency Xipe Totec Jan 2015 #15
In Esperanto, inclement is krudecoj, inclemency is intemperie, and inclement weather is valerief Jan 2015 #3
I can't stand when it is mispronounced. femmocrat Jan 2015 #4
I've never heard it other than correctly. WinkyDink Jan 2015 #9
Neither have I... 3catwoman3 Jan 2015 #24
Where have you ever heard it? Polybius Feb 2021 #29
In a related question... surrealAmerican Jan 2015 #6
well i suppose that judge would be "cold" or "all wet", so, perhaps...! unblock Jan 2015 #11
Never use a big word when a diminutive one will suffice. Scuba Jan 2015 #7
Indubitably! pinboy3niner Jan 2015 #8
"Inclement" is more precise than "bad." "Bad weather" could mean excessively hot. Or anything, WinkyDink Jan 2015 #10
aw, but sesquipedalian words are fun! unblock Jan 2015 #13
Cool! I learned a new word! Thanks! Scuba Jan 2015 #14
Eschew obfuscation! flying rabbit Jan 2015 #21
Mustn't forget darling Clementine. hunter Jan 2015 #12
"inclement" is a gorgeous word. blogslut Jan 2015 #16
but inclemency is gorgeouser. unblock Jan 2015 #17
Actually, you may be right. Really. panader0 Jan 2015 #18
Some surgeons might need the word to describe the status of an ongoing operation DFW Jan 2015 #19
clever! *badum* nt steve2470 Jan 2015 #28
Answer: Because it describes a particular weather condition; it does not MEAN "weather." Simply WinkyDink Jan 2015 #20
Wings needs it for "With a Little Luck." eShirl Jan 2015 #22
It has a long history of use. kentauros Jan 2015 #23
What else is "merry" besides Christmas? Just because a word has only one use in English is no Rowdyboy Jan 2015 #25
robin hood's merry men? merry maids? merry-go-round? merry the hobbit? ;) unblock Jan 2015 #26
Inclement is an adjective. Weather is a noun. Iggo Jan 2015 #27

unblock

(52,257 posts)
2. i think it means unpleasantly cold or wet *weather*.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jan 2015

i don't think you can have a "inclement basement" or an "inclement sandwich".

the question is, why have an adjectival form of the word if there's only one noun it can really modify, "weather", and "inclemency" already connotes that noun.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
15. It means without clemency
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jan 2015

clem·en·cy
noun

mercy; lenience.

"an appeal for clemency"

synonyms: mercy, mercifulness, leniency, mildness, indulgence, quarter;

valerief

(53,235 posts)
3. In Esperanto, inclement is krudecoj, inclemency is intemperie, and inclement weather is
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 06:43 PM
Jan 2015

severa vetero.

If we change the preference in English, will it change in Esperanto, too?

So many domino effects to consider...

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
6. In a related question...
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 06:51 PM
Jan 2015

... if a judge does not grant "clemency", does that mean the accused will be treated "inclemently"?

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
10. "Inclement" is more precise than "bad." "Bad weather" could mean excessively hot. Or anything,
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 07:42 PM
Jan 2015

really.

That's what "big words" accomplish: precision.

Unless one uses "utilizes" when "uses" is the very SAME meaning.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
14. Cool! I learned a new word! Thanks!
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jan 2015

I just wonder, is sesquipedalian an example of onomatopoeia? It sounds long.

hunter

(38,318 posts)
12. Mustn't forget darling Clementine.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 08:08 PM
Jan 2015
In a cavern, in a canyon,
Excavating for a mine,
Lived a miner, forty-niner
And his daughter Clementine

Oh my Darling, Oh my Darling,
Oh my Darling Clementine.
You are lost and gone forever,
Dreadful sorry, Clementine.

Light she was and like a fairy,
And her shoes were number nine
Herring boxes without topses
Sandals weren't for Clementine.

CHORUS:

Drove she ducklings to the water
Every morning just at nine,
Hit her foot against a splinter
Fell into the foaming brine.

CHORUS:

Ruby lips above the water,
Blowing bubbles soft and fine,
But alas, I was no swimmer,
So I lost my Clementine.

CHORUS:

How I missed her! How I missed her!
How I missed my Clementine,
Till I kissed her little sister,
And forgot my Clementine.

CHORUS:

Then the miner, forty-niner,
Soon began to peak and pine,
Thought he oughter join his daughter,
Now he's with his Clementine.

CHORUS:
In the church yard in the canyon
Where the myrtle doth entwine
There grows roses and other posies
Fertilized by Clementine.


If you ask me, Clementine was too good for this shallow rat bastard, and I pity the younger sister.

Okay, back to the subject of the original post, inclement is a word I personally do without, but I trust in the anarchy of language. I ain't a grammar Nazi.

The language you use is the language you own. Language's only function is to communicate with the people you are attempting to communicate with.

I would say, "pack for nasty weather, both cold and wet..."




unblock

(52,257 posts)
17. but inclemency is gorgeouser.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jan 2015


the word "gorgeous" always makes me think of ithaca, new york, because they "ithaca is gorgeous" because it has many gorges.

DFW

(54,410 posts)
19. Some surgeons might need the word to describe the status of an ongoing operation
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 09:53 AM
Jan 2015

That is, if the patient they're operating on is named "Clement."

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
20. Answer: Because it describes a particular weather condition; it does not MEAN "weather." Simply
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 10:13 AM
Jan 2015

because an adjective (or adverb) describes only one particular noun does not make it a redundancy.

Normally, I'd agree with you re: "inclemency," except I can find only examples that also include "weather":
"Protection of interior of existing structures at all times from damage, dust and weather inclemency."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inclemency

Moreover, trying to "educate" others on unusual or rare or even common-but-incorrect usages is a thankless task!

See: FORTE.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
23. It has a long history of use.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 05:22 PM
Jan 2015
inclement (adj.)
1660s, from French inclément and directly from Latin inclementem (nominative inclemens) "harsh, unmerciful," from in- "not, opposite of, without" (see in- (1)) + clementem "mild, placid." "Limitation to weather is curious" {Weekley}.

inclemency (n.)
1550s, from Middle French inclémence and directly from Latin inclementia "rigor, harshness, roughness," from inclemens (see inclement).


Don't be so intemperate about a word

intemperate (adj.)
"characterized by excessive indulgence in a passion or appetite," late 14c., from Latin intemperatus "untempered, inclement, immoderate," from in- "not, opposite of" (see in- (1)) + temperantia (see temperance). Related: Intemperately.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
25. What else is "merry" besides Christmas? Just because a word has only one use in English is no
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jan 2015

reason to abandon it. Let 500,000 words bloom!

unblock

(52,257 posts)
26. robin hood's merry men? merry maids? merry-go-round? merry the hobbit? ;)
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:56 AM
Jan 2015

merry mary, marry me....

in any event, merry doesn't *mean* happy christmas. weather is part of the definition of inclement.
merry christmas is not redundant, but inclement weather is.

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