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Archae

(46,337 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:03 AM Mar 2015

Question for audiophiles...

On old 33 rpm records, how can they cram more tracks on a record?

On a K-Tel record they did it by editing the songs, making them shorter.

But I have one record here with 22 full tracks on it.
(From "Time Records&quot

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PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
1. The Wikipedia page discusses how they cramed more tracks in
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:06 AM
Mar 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LP_record

Basically decreasing spacing between tracks and reducing dynamic range.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
4. Neat! It's pretty much exactly how they do it now, but they did it physically.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:32 AM
Mar 2015

Now that I think about it, in a way records are the best medium, because they can recreate the sound without any electronics. It would be magic!

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
5. Also, if it was made in the late 70's it's probably lower quality too.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:19 PM
Mar 2015

During the oil embargo, records were reportedly recycled (label and all) so the vinyl was lower quality.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
7. Which is why UK pressings became much more popular
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:37 PM
Mar 2015

among serious music heads in that era. British LPs were always pressed on virgin vinyl back in the day, both classical and popular. And yes, that report was true.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
9. So here's a question about counterfeit records.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:11 PM
Mar 2015

I found these Taiwanese records at a junk shop for a quarter (Ike and Tina, and a couple Barry Manilows). Chung Sheng Records and Holy Hawk Records. The sleeves are a cheap paper covered with plastic. The sound isn't that great.

I know they are likely counterfeits. But are they worth anything?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
10. Nope. Knock offs of real albums aren't worth a thing.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:21 PM
Mar 2015

Certain rare unreleased performances by famous bands can be worth a small fortune, though. There is a 1971 two-LP Pink Floyd recording of a BBC radio broadcast with Floyd performing live in the studio called "Rhapsody In Pink" (attributed to The Screaming Abdabs, an early name of what became Floyd) that features the first ever version of "Echoes". BBC-quality sound (outstanding) and pressed on surprisingly good vinyl. I've seen that go for up to $500. I only had to pay half that for mine.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
11. So, yer tellin' me I wasted 75 cents!
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:29 PM
Mar 2015

That's kind of what I figured when I picked them up.

Although, I did find a first pressing of the Kinks "Face to Face" for a buck recently. It's in great shape too.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
6. Comes down to how "hot" or loud the tracks were cut onto the master.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:35 PM
Mar 2015

You could squeeze more time onto an LP side by reducing the amplitude of the signal. Todd Rundgren once jammed 28 minutes on to a single LP side, but the sound definitely suffered.

ETA - it was easier to get extra-long play times on classical LPs because of the variations in dynamics (loud to soft) whereas most pop/rock LPs were much more steady-state in terms of loudness.

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