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no_hypocrisy

(46,202 posts)
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 08:17 AM Apr 2015

FIOS/Verizon

This is the second installment of my experience with Verizon and FIOS.

I reluctantly took a contract to "upgrade" my copper wire service to FIOS. I did so only because since Verizon installed a new DSL router, my phone has had loud static consistently and my internet spontaneously disconnected several times a day, leaving me in great frustration.

I had a technician come to try to fix the problems with the copper wire. He reported that there wasn't much he could do as Verizon wasn't fixing copper wire or replacing it and was moving towards FIOS for all.

So I signed up. I got concessions of not paying $150 for installment and activation. The actual installment doesn't happen until April 24.

But here's the point: it's two days later, I still have copper wire and like magic, no static on the phone and my internet has not been this reliable for about six months.

I think I was scammed into making a new contract and that Verizon played with my service to coerce me into getting FIOS.

Anyone else have this experience?

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FIOS/Verizon (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Apr 2015 OP
Years ago I had DSL with similar problems Renew Deal Apr 2015 #1
But here's the thing. no_hypocrisy Apr 2015 #2
You probably weren't scammed Renew Deal Apr 2015 #3
OK no_hypocrisy Apr 2015 #4
If you're going to cancel the new service you should do it before it's connected. Renew Deal Apr 2015 #5
Have you been told how much I goes up after the first year or two? no_hypocrisy Apr 2015 #6
You can probably ask them what the current "standard rate" is Renew Deal Apr 2015 #9
Former Verizon employee here Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #7
Thank you for your perspective. no_hypocrisy Apr 2015 #8
I have been fighting to keep copper wire for years. gvstn Apr 2015 #10

Renew Deal

(81,877 posts)
1. Years ago I had DSL with similar problems
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 08:27 AM
Apr 2015

I had them out to fix it at least once but it didn't work. There was no FIOS service to my residence at the time. I eventually got annoyed and switched it to cable. Verizon will do anything to get you to stay. Sometimes you even have to cancel to get them to fix something.

That said, FIOS should be a nice performance increase.

no_hypocrisy

(46,202 posts)
2. But here's the thing.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 08:57 AM
Apr 2015

The connection IMPROVED after I got the FIOS contract. It hasn't been connected yet.

I feel like I was scammed, that Verizon purposely sabotaged my service to trick me into getting a product I didn't necessarily need.

Renew Deal

(81,877 posts)
3. You probably weren't scammed
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:19 AM
Apr 2015

If you're happy with the service you have, call Verizon and cancel the new service. It hasn't been connected get, so you probably still can.

If they won't do it, cancel everything.

But if the price of FIOS is the same or better, it might not be worth worrying about.

no_hypocrisy

(46,202 posts)
4. OK
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:21 AM
Apr 2015

I have a two-year introductory contract that is only $4.00 more per month than I'm paying.

And for all I know, were I to cancel the FIOS, I'd either be hit with a cancellation fee and/or a return to intermittent DSL and phone service.

You make sense.

Renew Deal

(81,877 posts)
5. If you're going to cancel the new service you should do it before it's connected.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:24 AM
Apr 2015

You have more leverage that way. This is one of those annoying decisions that comes up. I hate every minute I spend having to deal with these types of issues, so I get where you're coming from.

Have you been told how much I goes up after the first year or two?

no_hypocrisy

(46,202 posts)
6. Have you been told how much I goes up after the first year or two?
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:40 PM
Apr 2015

They wouldn't tell me. Said I could negotiate.

Here's the problem: if I cancel, I'll bet the static returns and I lose reliable DSL internet services.

I smell a rat.

Renew Deal

(81,877 posts)
9. You can probably ask them what the current "standard rate" is
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:55 PM
Apr 2015

Forget about 2 years from now. What is it today?

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,234 posts)
7. Former Verizon employee here
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:42 PM
Apr 2015

What you were told about the lack of maintenance of copper facilities by Verizon is true.

I live in an former Verizon area that was later sold to Frontier. After the sale many of our cable techs work overtime trying to get the copper facilities back to a workable level.

Just a thought, did they replace the protector i.e. the equipment where the outside cable connects to your house wiring? I had a problem with an older one which once replaced cleared up a problem I had with static.

None the less consider yourself lucky you have the FIOS option. Verizon is not expanding FIOS to new areas. The non-FIOS exchanges however have the same shitty lack of maintenance on their copper facilities.

no_hypocrisy

(46,202 posts)
8. Thank you for your perspective.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:52 PM
Apr 2015

I just called and was told after 2 years, it will be $79.99 monthly.

It's not fair though. Five years ago, I would pay $21.99 for a dial tone and $17.99 for DSL internet. It's now $59.99 monthly and in two years $79.99 and that's without cable TV.

I just don't see any other choice. I could cancel my order as the FIOS hasn't been installed, but:

1) what Verizon gives, it can take away. In other words, more static and poor internet service, and
2) if I return to asking again for FIOS, I may incur the charges they've waive (installation and activation fees costing $150.00).

BTW, I need a landline because I have a law office.

I know I'll be getting reliable service; I just don't like the price.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
10. I have been fighting to keep copper wire for years.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:43 PM
Apr 2015

It is a struggle. (My mother was elderly and sick for several years and I wanted her to have phone service in case of a power outage.)

No matter what Verizon says they do have a copper maintenance department and by law they have to have a certain quality of voice transmission. They don't like hearing it but they will eventually sent out a technician from the copper division. Note: Only for voice quality. So you won't have much luck complaining about DSL but when the voice static is solved the DSL improves.

DSL dropouts are often a sign of the router going bad. Were the dropouts still there with the new router/modem?

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Overall it is a major pain trying to get them to service your copper wires. They will eventually just quit offering the service to get out of regulations saying they have to maintain their wires to a certain quality. You may be better just switching. As you said they have raised DSL rates and will continue to do so to make it so unaffordable that people will switch over for faster service at a "fairer" price. I know that since my mother passed away recently that I will just give in the next time I need service on my copper wires. Not really worth the fight a couple of times a year.

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