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In the Season 6 premiere, Rick and the group continue to have trouble assimilating into Alexandria; and a new threat could bring them closer together or drive them further apart.I believe it's a 90 minute premiere tonight.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Soon. Very, soon. Well - later, a little later. Still...
Finally!
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)it will be here before you know it.
I wonder how Fear the Walking Dead's schedule will look next year with the show being expanded to 13 episodes? We will have 29 weeks of zombies on Sunday nights, then 10 weeks of Game of Thrones.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)just about here
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)I fear for Glenn.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Norm Reedus pulls up to the fan fest on his motorcycle:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/10/10/walking-dead-season-6-premiere-norman-reedus-motorcycle-fan-event
potential Daryl/Carol moment?
http://www.inquisitr.com/2483146/norman-reedus-shares-the-walking-dead-spoiler-about-daryl-dixons-love-life-talks-upcoming-caryl-moment-2/
Others:
http://undeadwalking.com/2015/10/10/the-walking-dead-loved-and-hated-character-polls/
http://fortune.com/2015/10/11/walking-dead-tv/
http://variety.com/2015/scene/vpage/the-walking-dead-fan-premiere-inside-season-6-1201615429/
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/walking-dead-season-6-fear-the-walking-dead-season-2-boat-1201613790/
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Makes me crazy, the obnoxious way they schedule this stuff these days.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)is for the next segment of Flight 462 - Zombies on a Plane?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)catch it online. I think it;s going to be fun- but not at one minute at a time! Come on already, LOL.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)to watch it all a minute at a time.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Greg Nicotero and Scott Gimple - plus, a "surprise cast guest"
I wonder who is going to die?
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Deanna? (I laugh whenever I see her name - Who's Deanna?!?)
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)fought with at the end of last season? The one that left Noah to die?
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)That's what they do (or did) in Alexandria. Just write you off. Cowards.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)at the end, and started respecting Glenn. Nicholas just kept being an asshole.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)For Glenn...I don't care for Nicholas.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)for Glenn
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)in the end
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)That Nicholas is going to play an important role for Glenn. Like, maybe redeem himself in a big way.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)He survived. He stepped up and helped. He trust Glenn and wants others to trust him too. Poor Glenn. He's decided to keep Nicholas alive, and should he die - Glenn will be devastated. Especially if he dies saving Glenn or Maggie. If Nicholas' actions cause others to die, Glenn will be rocked. Nicholas is Glenn's project in that Nicholas, like Tara, was someone who caused harm to the group or a member of the group. Tara having been part of the Governor's posse.
I think Glenn sees Nicholas as his own redemption, in a way. As a mark of his own humanity. He couldn't shoot him in the woods, and he really wanted to shoot the him. He opted for giving Nicholas a second chance when he didn't tell the group what he did in the woods. He told Maggie and she seems to be taking Glenn's lead - as does Tara.
That trust could pay off in a big way. Or it could lead to something truly ugly.
Trust usually bites our group in the bottom. But then it goes back to the kind of person you are, not the kind of person someone else is...
Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)If Nicholas gets Glenn killed, expect Maggie or Tara to murder him. Outright murder him.
In Talking Dead, someone said that second chances for one person, can mean death to you.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Glenn couldn't. Maggie won't. Too much Herschel in her.
Tara has been greatly influenced by Glenn, Maggie, and Eugene, so...
Second chances can kill you in the zombie world. But then that goes back to the primary theme - how humanity reacts/evolves/maintains.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Just a guess that has nothing to do with the comics/Negan.
I think we're going to see Glenn emerge more & more as a quiet leader - somebody that people like & trust more than fear (like with Rick). Rick is going to handle the big picture stuff, but then Glenn emerges as the likable and trustworthy guy to Nicholas, Heath and probably a few others. It will slowly win over the Alexandrians to support Team Rick.
I think there was also a hint from Maggie that Glenn is fighting for more than just him and Maggie - maybe Maggie is pregnant?
So, he will emerge as this impressive leader and then something will happen and he will die - be it from Negan, or maybe he saves Maggie or Nicholas from certain doom by throwing himself in front of a horde of zombies.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)to the compound. The two of them being captured by the Wolves.
Glenn is a leader, a complementary one to Rick's talents.
Maggie is looking kind of rough. More so than she should be with running water and clean clothing. She could be pregnant. Early stages taking its toll in a zombie world would cause her to be that much more worried.
I think Glenn does die this season. Probably mid-season or end season. I hate typing that out.
It will most likely play out as you described. Maybe Nicholas makes it his job in life to watch over Maggie and Glenn's child.
Glenn spared his life - so he owes Glenn.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I was also worried that maybe he had been bitten at the end of last season as well..
Still, I think he started to step up as a leader at the end of last season, after kind of being in the background for a few seasons (other than some moments here & there)
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)That's what the show masters do to us.
It's as if everyone from the prison has the same last name - Stark.
Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)I think it was him they were referring to when one of the writers of the show said that he writes down what that the actors say in real life that he finds amusing. And he said that he went to the actor and complimented him by saying that when he acts, he makes it look effortless. And the actor responded, "That's because I put very little effort into it."
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)I had better call my cable company and get AMC again.
I've been so busy and preoccupied with work that I didn't watch any of the Fear series. I think I'll download them and binge watch them on a weekend.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)between the end of Fear and the start of The Walking Dead.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Iggo
(47,552 posts)Aw, dammit.
I clicked.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)i have not read it yet.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And I'd prefer to be surprised.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Last season opener was awesome with Rambo Carol
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)was one of the best ever. She's the Terminus-inator!
Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)I just really admire Melissa McBride more and more every day. She has played that character in so many dimensions. From abused housewife, to benign killer, to Rambo Carol, and now she's Undercover Susie Homemaker.
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)I called my cable company and their channel adding system is crashed until tomorrow! Looks like I'll be watching this after midnight, when I get a hold of it through other means.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)or something?
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)I actually don't mind having a copy of the show to watch over again anyway. But to be honest, chatting along here is what I'll miss.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Pete
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)the actor's twitter account even mentions the "real porch dick"
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Almost time!
Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)That's real leadership. Didn't even try to be diplomatic about it in a crowded room.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Gabriel agrees with Deanna that he was wrong and maybe, just maybe, he wants to redeem himself now. But he never was that trustworthy and is a pariah now to the Prison group.
I still don't trust him. He appears suicidal - to a point.
Ever notice how that will to survive kicks in at the last second with Gabriel? I think he's a lot like Sasha and Abraham (I'm living - hunting down walkers, crawling into graves, jumping out of the car and chasing walkers away in the woods)
Both Sasha and Abraham get that urge to destroy walkers for all they have lost. This urge, this almost manic feeling, is just below the surface, constantly churning and fighting to get out. Look at both their behaviors that others find scary. Even to each other - they each find the others behavior suicidal.
Remember Rick after Lori died? He went on that one-man walker killing spree. He got that out of his system in his spree - it burned out. Not so with Sasha or Abraham - they're a slow constant burn.
I think Gabriel is like that. Driven by guilt, the loss of his faith, but still needing to believe. So he goes off on his own, comes across a walker, looks as if he's wanting to die - only to have his suppressed anger push through, kill the walker, and he survive.
He needs that rush. He's done the walk alone in the woods thing a few times now.
But I could be wrong. lol
Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)Maggie would know about false priests. Where she lived, there would have been a congregation with the usual crop of disingenuous religious leaders. But I don't know exactly when she lost her religion. Was it after her father died? Her sister? Before the Walker apocalypse?
Maybe that doesn't matter as much as the fact that she knows that Gabriel is a fallen leader.
But, Gabriel-from the Bible, is the angel that is associated with redemption, so that might mean that Gabriel will redeem himself in the end. But, probably will end Christlike, by giving up his life to save everyone else.
Names do have meaning on WD. i.e. The little girl, Lizzie, who killed her sister was probably inspired by Lizzie Borden.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Before the walkers, before she met Glenn. This was back on the farm. I think everything else happening pushed it over the edge.
She still carries the teachings of her father with her though. Be kind, be fair, be decent, give second chances. (Compared to where Rick is now - I don't take chances anymore...this season's theme, I think - giving second, or even first chances v. killing people outright...the ever slipping hold on your humanity)
I hope Gabriel pulls something good out of himself. Otherwise, he remains a danger to the group and to himself.
I agree. Certain names have specific character driven meanings.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)I just get that feeling.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)He needs to get on the good foot and that isn't the way.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)remember when he crawled out of the church? He got a rather big nail in his foot. Whatever happened to that? Did they show him getting treated/getting a tetanus shot? Or, at least some antibiotic?
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Big promo spot for Into the Badlands
irisblue
(32,975 posts)was that a training run
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)looks like some sort of test run for killing walkers
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)irisblue
(32,975 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)I wonder how much it cost for to pay for those extras. I will listen to Talking Dead again, because they did reveal some info on what it cost to make this show, and I could have sworn they said they had to make some compromises because they went over-budget.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)irisblue
(32,975 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)current time in color
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)See how we got to the quarry of doom.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)those drills look pretty intense.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)some sort of red balloon?
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)no way out.
irisblue
(32,975 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,379 posts)Had to be at work from 6:00 a.m until 4:30 which was a drag but now.. WALKING DEAD. Somehow making brownies during WD has become A Thing at my house, too. Brownies and WD.
irisblue
(32,975 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)helps gather supplies for the community
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Heath - Eugene respects his hair
irisblue
(32,975 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)I missed the scene where Michonne stole his peanut butter power bar, but they made a big deal about it on Talking Dead.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)It showed he paid attention even when they thought he wasn't in his right mind. (During the "Clear" episode)
I think most people would assume Carl grabbed it. Kids get hungry, especially growing teens. If they noticed at all. Morgan was living in a different world at the time.
When Rick, Carl, and Michonne went back to Rick's hometown they found Morgan. Up in the room Morgan was staying in there was a lot of food. Michonne grabbed a bar. Rick gave her a funny look about it - taking his food.
I think he wants to get to know Rick's group and that could be all it was....but there seemed to be something else there in his voice.
His talking to Carol had a different tone, a different feel. He wanted to get to know her too....but it wasn't the same. He was more direct with Carol. He used humor with Michonne and I don't think it was because he knew either well enough to already know the best approach with each. I think he wanted Michonne to be amused. Even if he had more than one motive.
Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)You're right. That was an opening. Would love to see sparks fly between Michonne and Morgan.
Right now, if he figures out that Carol is being devious, he might overlook it as long as she stays benign.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Carol's happy homemaker face will drop around Morgan soon enough. He's Rick's friend and that means more time around the Prison group. Carol is still Rambo Carol around her own.
I think Morgan understands wearing a mask until you know better. He'll be OK with it.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)is he one of the Wolves?
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)between seasons
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Ron was sitting on the couch with Jessie and ran off. He was watching them bury his father, heard what Deanna said, and then followed Rick and Morgan.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I had forgotten there were two kids
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that's a huge amount
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)I never did hear what they planned to do with that many zombies.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and then Daryl and Sasha/Abraham were going to lead them about 20 miles away from Alexandria. Then, I guess, Daryl and Sasha/Abe would circle back on another road
Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)"NO"
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)on that one - hopefully, he goes out saving somebody like Glenn or Heath
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)irisblue
(32,975 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)They should save the helium for medical use, etc..
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)or not?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)amerikat
(4,909 posts)Helium is used to check for leaks in high vacuum system. No helium,
no computer chips.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)like gold is a noble metal. They're highly inert and, except under the most extreme conditions, don't react with any other elements. Helium could be stored for just about forever if kept from dissipating away.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)they mentioned that on Talking Dead - if properly stored, it will last for many years. In the early chaos of the apocalypse, most people wouldn't be grabbing helium tanks, either.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)Who wouldn't want to talk funny around the campfire.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)I bet that was Dale's old camper being reused.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)And balloons!
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)I think the party is over.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)"The best laid plans of mice and men..."
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)is over for now.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)Question is, who is summoning them?
Has Gabriel, well, blown his horn?
Or is it it a wolf howl?
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that Rick is in charge - especially in these situations
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Just don't say coup.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)on the newer Battlestar Galactica
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)herding them right along...
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)he's a sharp cookie
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)She's been with Rick for a long time. He knows that means she's also a killer.
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)He could so easily have been brought back into the show as the head of a mystical cult of ninjas.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Until they got a little too weird.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)kung fu, swords and no guns.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Kind of looked like Rick wanted a few of them taken out. That's a point he need not prove. Train them, yes - but don't just throw them in when you can help as a team. As a leader.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)they can do some training behind the walls first, then go in teams with experienced members.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)on that one
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)realizes Rick is right, and then dies
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Carter was a goner. His screams were hurting others.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)what are they supposed to do? let him scream?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Not everyone saw Carter agree that Rick was right and the hand shake.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I hope Daryl's bike doesn't stall or run out of gas
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Never a good idea to run a bike without some airflow over the motor.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Listen, Rick.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)What if Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham get captured?
Or worse.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)is that the Wolves luring them back?
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)I don't trust her. I always thought she was a spy for the Wolves.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)after Rick shot him down earlier
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)I assumed it was Gabriel though. I don't think we know that much about the Wolves yet, but they seem more sadistic as apposed to just wanting to wipe out a town with walkers.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)...Wolves.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Bad, bad.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)actually made up as walkers, according to Greg Nicotero.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Silly child.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)all of it
IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)It was funny to read your comments without watching the episode yet. It was like hearing a sports commentator on the radio. I'm looking forward to watching it. It sounds like it was an awesome episode.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)after you've watched it.
I used to post "play by play" updates back in seasons 2 and 3 because a few DUers had to work Sunday nights and wanted to know what was happening as it happened and didn't mind the spoilers. (Not sure what happened to them?)
IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)Especially for a show like this. I like to be prepared for a tragic death of a favorite character.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)but I was a little underwhelmed. I know there had to be a lot back story explained, and I didn't think it dragged, and I thought the quarry was cool new development, but it didn't have the intensity that I was craving. I think there was one or two other season or mid season openers that I felt the same way about, but I'll bet the next episode will be intense.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)interesting idea on funneling the zombies away from the town. Looks like that is coming back to bite them, however.
You'd think that Daryl and Aaron would have warned them about the walker trap and they'd be on the lookout for them.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)Deanna said last season that she thought it was because the Army cleared out so many, but as we've seen from Atlanta, they're herding and on the move. It didn't make sense that Alexandria hadn't had much contact with a herd. So, they're entombing themselves in a quarry works.
At first I thought that was some plan of the Wolves, to collect a big group of dead and then lead them to the city. It would be overrun with that many zombies hitting it en masse.
I was lurking on another forum (where I'm not a member) and folks were complaining about how things wouldn't work six years into an apocalypse, but it hasn't been six years for the characters. I think two and a half, at most, judging from baby Judith. She's not walking yet, or they haven't shown any indication she is.
Also, I think there's a new set of girls playing Judith, since this season starts right after last (it's the next day), and the other twins would be too old now.
Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)This new one doesn't look anything like her. Though, still cute.
As for things not working, I guess, along with not having the background to use the word "zombie," the WD world also didn't have an energy crisis that required adding ethanol in the gasoline.
In a nutshell, should the same thing happen to us, we are going to be in a world of hurt since the gas is only good for about a month.
underpants
(182,805 posts)That's how you open a season?
Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)sammythecat
(3,568 posts)I was very disappointed but not very surprised. I'm getting a little tired of this idea that gang Rick are some kind of super-fighters that other people can only dream of becoming. I mean, really, what is so f'ing complex about dealing with zombies? A one hour class ought to give anyone all the info needed. They're attracted to noise, they're single-minded and absolutely relentless, but they're also extremely slow, stupid, and rotten. Always carry a weapon of some kind, keep your eyes and ears open, use common sense, and you're good to go.
I just can't make myself buy into Rick and company being so great and the people of Alexandria being so stupid and incompetent. It's just too unrealistic.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and it's easy to explain and show people what to do. But, actually getting out there & doing it "live" is a whole lot different. Then, doing it when competing against major league pitchers is way beyond just hitting the ball against a high school pitcher.
The same with "killing" walkers. Except for a few short interludes, Rick and company have been doing it almost non-stop for 3+ years now. Other than the Alexandria runners, who seem competent, nobody in Alexandria has done any walker killing. Doing it in a life or death situation is beyond even facing major league pitching or hitting a golf ball against Tiger Woods in his prime. Daryl likely used a crossbow for years before the apocalypse, while Rick was a cop for years and probably had regular training with his gun, and also how to deal with people in hand-to-hand situations.
Iris
(15,657 posts)I kept thinking about how we were seeing that group from the beginning and they were already making morally and ethically compromised choices. We meet Rick in a similar state since he was in a coma when shit went down, but the others, they had already made those types of choices before and we just don't know about them. That's why we've cared about them for so long, but I feel like now, there is some nod to the idea that these people are not always better than other groups of people. I found Rick's idea that they didn't need to keep looking for survivors to be pretty shady. Darryl has become the moral compass.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)I liked it, I think because I really wanted to like it. After the first episode they seemed to skip season 1 and went directly to season 2. Some zombies showed up and next thing you know the army is abandoning an already collapsed Los Angeles. I get it that things would happen quickly, but not instantaneously. It seems they went right past a whole treasure trove of stories about people learning about, and reacting to, the very beginning of the end of civilization. Nothing works, no one has a job, no income, no medicine, money is worthless, and if there is something you need to have, you're going to have to take it from someone else. Everyone becomes a looter and thief. I'd think good writers ought to be able to come up with dozens of compelling stories about the first week of people realizing that everything is really going to hell, permanently. Instead, our heroes are already on their first road trip and it's starting to look like The Walking Dead, west coast chapter.
I don't dislike the show. I'm rooting for it to succeed and I, like everyone else I'm sure, am intrigued as hell about the wealthy black guy (forget his name). I hope the writers can keep him compelling. He and Salazar are the most interesting characters on the show in my view.
I agree with everything you said. Darryl is sane, Rick is not, and I was relieved to see the writers acknowledge that by having Pete's wife properly creeped out by Ricks totally inappropriate advances. Rick needs to be tied down until they can find the right medicine for him.
I've seen every episode of the The Walking Dead and it's the only show I watch regularly. Well, that and Talking Dead, of which, I think Chris Hartline is just the perfect host. So I'm a big fan, but this premiere left me disappointed. I'm not 13 anymore. I don't need a million zombies to keep me interested. I wish the show would use them as a seasoning rather than the entree. The way Westerns use horses and landscape, it has to be there, but you still need to have a compelling story. What this show needs, and what I hope we're going to get this Sunday, is a really good villain. Another Governor, Shane, or "can't go back Bob" Bob. A dangerous human challenger and zombies thrown in to complicate things. Also I hope, I pray, I get to see Carl run over by a tank and churned into mud. I don't like the character at all and I think Chandler Riggs is absolutely the worst young actor in the world.
Another thing that kinda bugged me. The Alexandrians are living near normal lives in an actual functioning town while the Grimes Gang are the ones living in a van down by the river, yet it's supposedly highly doubtful that the Alexandrians can ever even hope to be halfway as awesome as Rick & company. If the Grimes gang could cope and adapt (with a long casualty list of their own, btw) I see no reason the people of Alexandria couldn't do the same in the same reasonable amount of time. Rick, Darryl, Glenn, et all do not have super powers and the people in Alexandria are not hapless idiots totally incapable of learning a few rudimentary skills in order to stay alive.
Oh. I was just ready to post this and I just remembered something. How could I forget?
I don't get HBO and a couple years ago somebody gave me a birthday present of the first 3 seasons of Game of Thrones. I'd heard of it but thought it was a video game. It was a couple weeks until I finally popped the first one in. I was a complete and total junkie after the first hour. Really, I couldn't stop watching it. I saw all 30 hours in less than 4 days. And they are 60 minute hours, not 42. I'd stay up 'til 3,4 in the morning. Top notch, as good as it gets, acting, terrific characters, great stories, and the production is unbelievably good. Each episode is a feature film. For me, this show is the zenith of television entertainment. It's Breaking Bad good and then some. If you've never seen it I hope you'll check it out. Odds are really good you'll enjoy it like all its other fans, plus I envy you that you'll have 50 hours to watch and another 10 coming up. I can't wait.
If you have seen GoT I have to say I miss the Hound. The interaction between the Hound and Arrya on their road trip was just great and one of my favorite scenarios of the whole series.I Miss Oberyn Martell. Varys is always interesting. And Jaime and Brienne. Shit, what am I trying to do here? All the characters are good (not too into the Sand Snakes though). Even the weakest is better than most any other you'll see because story and surrounding characters always serve to keep your interest. There is no annoying Carl, and Chandler Riggs would have zero chance(as in never, ever) of ever getting a role on Game of Thrones.
So that's that. Long live the Hound!
Iris
(15,657 posts)Thanks!
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)there are hints that The Hound is not dead.
Agree on Game of Thrones being an excellent show - the writing quality, acting and storytelling are definitely a notch above The Walking Dead.
Lex
(34,108 posts)Maybe it was just setting up for the next few episodes, but it was not an exciting episode.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Is my biggest beef with the Walking Dead.
They've been around for 3000 years. Not hard to build:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheval_de_frise
Be a perfect anti-walker method. Mobile. Easy to build (telephone poles and chainsaws, anyone). Build a couple layers of these around fields; expand as needed. The black jedi guy with the stick already did something like this.
Walls are nice, but you need layers upon layers in this circumstance.
I'd also build zombie traps at various points coming into town --- big holes with a blinking light and car alarm to thin the local population. They've got back hoes and shovels.
Ditches, too. Move the dirt to the inner side to create a wall.
Presumably someone was in combat and remembers this stuff. It's been 60+ years since I took a class in fortifications in the Army. It's just not that hard.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)at least by the prison gates. However, with thousands of zombies, they would soon overrun those sorts of barricades through sheer numbers. It would quickly become a hill of zombies.
That said, I do agree that a moat and maybe 2-3 rows of those barricades would have been a wise decision.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Doesn't work if not constantly manned and pruned (and patrolled outside the fortification).
They just give you time to deal with the problem.
So as things get breached, move more cheval de frise into place.
I had to make a version our of barbed wire and five poles repeatedly in WWII. Light, easy, quick to build. Ten guys could circle the town in a day or so. Then add a layer, and another, and another. 50 yards thick.
They're in rural areas. It's not like they would run out of barbed wire and trees.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Alexandria is a pretty densely populated small city of about 150,000 people - it's not all that rural. The "sustainable" subdivision where they are is supposed to be within the city, according to the Wiki page. It's right across the river from Washington DC, too.
While I'm sure there are plenty of suburban/residential areas within the city, it does seem kind of odd to me that they have this much "forest" area right nearby - a lonely road lined with trees and abandoned cars. If it was really Alexandria, they might have tree lined streets, but you'd be able to see homes and/or small businesses behind the row or two of trees.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)In the Army Infantry in the VN Era, we learned to dig two things--latrines and foxholes.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)But my youngest son made the very same contraptions of polls and razor wire I made in WWII in Vietnam. It would trap a man and surely trap walkers. We used street sign polls in France. He used bamboo.
Every officer, warrant officer, and most senior enlisted goes through some sort of historical warfare class and learns this stuff because it comes in handy periodically.
For an unrelated example, both the USA and the British used a bayonet charge in close quarters in Iraq to great effect.
The ginger with the handlebar mustache would no doubt be aware how to build this stuff.
The town could build 2-3 of these a day and have one loop in a couple weeks. The next loop would be easier because you could move out the circle to protect you as you installed. Get about 50 yards of buffer between you and the woods.
Make a bit of a maze so you could get in and out, but the walkers would bottleneck.
Man the inside of the circle and kill the occasional walker that broke the line. Retreat as necessary.
It would also open up areas for crops outside the wall itself.
This is medieval fortifications 101. Surely someone played D&D.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)In the Army all the training was focused on fighting in VN. One thing I came to admire about the Marines was that they gave military history to their recruits. I went through Army Basic and AIT and Infantry OCS without a lick of military history.
Like I said, we could dig latrines and foxholes. Even fill sandbags and build bunkers. But that was it. Without engineer units, we would have been at a loss about how to build walls to repel zombies.
Now, if the Army ever gets into a zombie war You'll see a whole lot of new shit in their training.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)If Rick and company had a couple of 50 caliber machine guns and enough ammunition for them to fire for a few minutes each, they could just rip that gigantic herd to shreds. Even if you dont get head shots, you would tear some in half and/or punch holes in chests and stomachs, tear some limbs off and what not. You might have a lot of live zombies left, but they would be lying helpless and immobile on the ground like Bicycle Girl from the very first episode.
Rip the herd to shreds with the 50 caliber machine guns, then get a tank and drive over the bodies. After that is done, send in a bunch of people with spears and those big rubber wading boots that fishermen wear and just have them mop up the rest.
Thats part of the reason why I think a zombie apocalypse is really not all that probable. I think a coordinated military response would stop it pretty quickly.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Ammunition always seems to be in short supply, thus Rick's group resorting to pointed and edged weapons whenever possible.
You may have a point in questioning how the nilitary collapsed so quickly--but we're actually talking seriously here about zombies and a fictional TV show. The controllers of the show can make anything they want happen.
In any case, I have taken certain steps to survive the zombie apocalyse. I can't tell you what they are, because for all I know you may be a zombie.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that Eugene was a D&D player.
The ginger is Sergeant Abraham Ford, played by Michael Cudlitz. In the comics, Abraham becomes Ricks right hand man after Tyreeses death.
Of course, on the show, Daryl has been the right hand man since they got to the prison and Tyreese and now Abraham have taken a back seat to Daryl.
I think they probably should have but up those barriers, but once that truck at the back of the quarry fell down, they had to enact their plan much quicker than anticipated. They did note that the walkers were escaping, so we had Abraham call out that they had to do it live like Bill OReilly.
Maybe they can do that longer-term? Given that Alexandria has 40+ people and had empty houses and some open space for solar panels not on rooftops, I am guessing theyre on at least 10 acres of land if each of these large homes was on about 0.25 to 0.33 acres of land. To fence in the subdivision, you are talking about walls that are 600 to 700 feet long each, or a combined 2,400 feet to 2,800 feet. If each barrier is 20 feet long, you are talking 120 to 140 barricades. That is a lot of work making three per day is a 40 to 50 day task.
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)They have no "edge" to them & are all about self preservation/status quo at any cost. Rick's crew is hard as nails & know they have to back up/rely on each other. Individual Z's don't frighten Rick's group, only the herds bother them.
As we saw on this episode, the Alex crew wanted nothing to do with the herd plan. Rick & crew had to zombie-shame them into action, and as soon as a couple of Z's show up the Alex crew want to blast away without concern of noise/stealth.
Rick wants to "toughen them up". Hence him wanting the entire community to be armed at all times & be always ready to spring into action. Unfortunately for Carter (no last name necessary) one scrawny Z & he endangered them till Rick "fixed" his problem.
Rick's crew has evolved into a highly capable unit of monster fighters (dead or alive). While the Alex people have become infantilized behind their walls.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)In seasons 1 and 2, Rick and company were not good zombie fighters. It was only after the time jump and them finding the prison did they become a well honed zombie fighting team. The folks in Alexandria are basically somewhat like Rick's team in Season 1. (On Talking Dead, they even said that if Rick had been in Alexandria since the beginning, he might have turned out like Carter...)
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)I think there's something to be said about who has felt "loss" & how they come back from that loss. Loss changes you.
Nearly all the heavy hitters on Rick's crew (Rick/Michonne/Daryl/Abraham/Carol/Glen) have been through some serious emotional garbage time with losing somebody close to them. It seems to spur them to fight even harder than those who haven't felt loss.
I can't wait to see who pulled that fucking air-horn. I'm thinking it's either the dead Dr's son or that weird girl that Carl is hot about.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I think she might be in league with The Wolves, or it could be one of those two guys that Morgan let live last season. Either way, I think Enid won't last - young girls don't seem to have a long lifespan on the show.
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)Are both members of "The Wolves". Every now & then they'll be graffiti in the background of some scenes about "The Wolves". Lots of foreshadowing going on in the background. Those "W" popping up on some of the zombies foreheads have been showing up near Alexandria.
Coincidence? I think not.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I think it's pretty certain those two guys were part of The Wolves. Remember, they also found pictures that Aaron had of the walls and everything in Alexandria.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)They did funny stuff about Fear the Walking Dead too!
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)introducing 2 black guys at once, so they don't get criticized for offing every black guy.
The ones for game of thrones are good, too, "If Game of Thrones took place on Facebook"