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NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:48 AM Oct 2015

The Walking Dead - 6.1 "First Time Again" (Season Premiere - Spoiler Alert)

In the Season 6 premiere, Rick and the group continue to have trouble assimilating into Alexandria; and a new threat could bring them closer together or drive them further apart.

I believe it's a 90 minute premiere tonight.









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The Walking Dead - 6.1 "First Time Again" (Season Premiere - Spoiler Alert) (Original Post) NewJeffCT Oct 2015 OP
Finally! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #1
well, about 12 hours away NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #2
Sounds good. Almost an entire year of in-depth OMGs! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #11
only an hour to go now NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #27
Tick tock! Yes! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #28
A few articles about the premiere and the recent fan fest NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #3
92 minute premier! I am sure those extra two minutes are crucial, LOL. bettyellen Oct 2015 #4
Maybe the extra 2 minutes NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #5
I somehow missed that last week! Was it during Talking Or Fear of? I did bettyellen Oct 2015 #7
yes, that is a pain NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #9
Crucial for selling products, I'm thinking. Iggo Oct 2015 #29
On Talking Dead tonight NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #6
Well, dang. :( Solly Mack Oct 2015 #12
Well, it could be that guy that Glenn NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #13
That would be OK. Nicholas left the other people too. He and Aiden. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #15
Aiden at least seemed to realize he was wrong NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #16
True. Glenn spared Nicholas and I hope that doesn't prove costly. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #18
Nicholas seems to have a new found respect NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #69
I saw that! Very nice! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #72
I hope it doesn't come back to bite him NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #77
You made a funny. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #80
I get the impression, after listening to Talking Dead, Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #145
From the show, it looks like he will. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #152
For sure. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #160
Tara, maybe. I think Maggie and Glenn are too much alike that way. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #172
My guess is that he's on a bad trajectory NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #168
That sounds all too probable. I thought last season that Glenn might not make it back Solly Mack Oct 2015 #170
I hope I'm wrong NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #171
Might as well come to grips with it now. One of ours will die. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #174
Prounced like two names: DEE-Ahnna Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #143
Yes! I love Abraham's way of putting things. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #144
Did you hear what they said about him in Talking Dead? Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #146
Yes! That was a hoot! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #153
Holy crap, already ?!1 Joe Shlabotnik Oct 2015 #8
I thought they would have a break NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #10
spoiler filled review here NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #14
Must...not...click...must...not...click...must...not... Iggo Oct 2015 #17
tempted to read those spoilers, but will not... bettyellen Oct 2015 #19
I'm surprised NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #20
Well, the first episodes each season are usually so good. bettyellen Oct 2015 #21
True NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #22
I got some friends totally hooked by showing them that one, Rambo Carol bettyellen Oct 2015 #25
I love the interplay between her and Morgan. Will they get along? Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #148
Noooooooooooooo1!?!!1 Joe Shlabotnik Oct 2015 #23
any friends or neighbors or a local bar? NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #24
Its ok, Joe Shlabotnik Oct 2015 #26
Watching last season's finale. I intensely dislike Father Gabriel. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #30
he's quietly as bad as the Porch Dick NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #31
He really is... (lolololol) Hardwick got one off. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #32
That's stuck as a name NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #33
Love it! Now Abraham's vast ocean of shit and Rick knows each grain comment. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #34
Loved the way Rick rejected his offer to volunteer. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #149
Didn't even bat an eye. An automatic "NO!". Solly Mack Oct 2015 #159
The interchange between Maggie and Gabriel was priceless. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #163
Maggie told Glenn she felt herself growing away from her upbringing/religion for a while. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #167
I'll bet you ten Italian lira it was Gabriel sounding that horn. krispos42 Oct 2015 #185
That wouldn't surprise me. I hope not, but I wouldn't be surprised. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #186
speaking of "good foot" NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #188
I don't recall it ever coming up again. I rememebr the nail to the foot though. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #190
Minutes. Mere minutes. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #35
Here we go NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #36
intense start irisblue Oct 2015 #37
yes NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #42
Valley of the Walkers NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #38
Already intense. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #39
oh yess, hello you all irisblue Oct 2015 #40
Wow, that was a LOT of Zombies. Good opening scene! bettyellen Oct 2015 #41
Best ever! Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #150
that's one hell of a herd. charlie and algernon Oct 2015 #43
My tummy is already in knots. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #44
B&W footage, huh irisblue Oct 2015 #45
flashbacks are b&w this episode NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #47
So we get a minute or two to gather our wits now. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #46
Army training? NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #48
Sasha the speed demon NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #49
Jedi Master Morgan NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #50
that baloon would draw walker notice irisblue Oct 2015 #51
New people! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #52
Tasty! bettyellen Oct 2015 #70
hehehehehe Solly Mack Oct 2015 #73
YUMMY! ;-D 8-D bettyellen Oct 2015 #81
Been lookin' forward to this all day. Laffy Kat Oct 2015 #53
ok, who is Heath? irisblue Oct 2015 #54
He's a runner like Aaron NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #57
Three 3 people NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #55
;;I like Eugenes hair too:: irisblue Oct 2015 #58
Ron is going to cause trouble. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #56
Morgan is flirting with Michonne. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #59
You think that was flirting? Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #154
Yeah, actually, I do. I think he needed an opening and that was as good as any. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #162
It happened that far back! LOL! Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #164
I prefer Michonne with Rick. I like them being a family group. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #169
Nice save! Now spike Ron! Spike him! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #60
ok who is the boy? NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #61
Pete's son, Ron. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #62
He must have had a growth spurt NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #64
Sam is the youngest. Ron the oldest. Sam is the cookie lover. (Carol's cookies) Solly Mack Oct 2015 #66
thanks NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #68
It was a long vacation from our favorite zombie killers. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #71
Look! Daryl is their messiah! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #63
are the town walls going to hold back that many? NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #65
No way. That's several thousand. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #67
Did we ever get to hear what the full plan was? Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #156
they were funneling them up the road NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #161
Daryl's expression as he escorted them with his bike was priceless. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #155
lol! It was! Lot of humor to be found in the premiere. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #173
Deanna is uh.....just not present. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #74
Gabriel "I'd like to help" NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #75
Nicholas is so gonna die. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #76
I think you may be right NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #82
That would be a change for him, and therefore redemption. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #84
that is alot of walkers behind darryl irisblue Oct 2015 #78
2 years in and they still have helium? Solly Mack Oct 2015 #79
Party City down the road! bettyellen Oct 2015 #83
LMAO! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #85
Does it have an expiration, though? NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #86
let me just say.... information was exchanged, knowledge gained! bettyellen Oct 2015 #94
Helium has no expiration. Use it everyday. amerikat Oct 2015 #96
It's a "noble gas" sammythecat Oct 2015 #175
correct NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #176
Well, I would. sammythecat Oct 2015 #179
Walkers on Parade! Like cattle. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #87
With Daryl as the Grand Marshal! suffragette Oct 2015 #181
Very festive until the horn blew. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #182
Yes, that horn redirected everything. suffragette Oct 2015 #187
I guess their roles as zombie shepherds NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #189
Their flock has definitely strayed suffragette Oct 2015 #194
Wonder when Deanna is going to recover enough to realise she isn't really in charge. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #88
I think she's smart enough to know NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #90
Probably. He'll be the army and she'll be the civilian leadership. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #91
Like Adama and Pres. Roslin NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #98
Here comes a death. But NO! Look at them! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #89
So, the group are zombie shepherds now NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #92
Carol can't fool Morgan. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #93
Nope NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #97
That was good Joe Shlabotnik Oct 2015 #135
It was! Morgan sees through Carol's Betty Crocker routine. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #137
I like how Morgan really is like a Jedi master. Joe Shlabotnik Oct 2015 #139
That would be handy. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #140
They could have him on that Into the Badlands show NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #177
But he'd have to leave WD first. :( Solly Mack Oct 2015 #184
Abraham! Get back in that car! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #95
Honestly, Rick monologues too much. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #99
I agree with Morgan. They shouldn't put the weakest first. Even with a small group of walkers. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #100
he is right NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #106
That was timely. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #101
Carter isn't too bright. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #102
Whew. But I wouldn't write off Carter having an accident now. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #103
good call NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #108
Dammit! That special guest is going to come in the last few seconds. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #104
It's Carter! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #105
Yep - Rick gave him the handshake of death NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #107
Yep. Now his screams are screwing up everything. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #109
Rick made the right call then. Morgan and Michonne can stop looking at him that way. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #110
agreed NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #111
slow agonizing deaths for everyone or none? Easy! bettyellen Oct 2015 #112
His death will look suspicious though. Carter wants to kill Rick then Carter dies. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #113
that is a huge herd NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #114
I won't even allow my mind to go there. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #116
I was thinking of overheating. Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #127
Rick, listen to Jessie. She's trying to tell you something important. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #115
What if the direction they are leading the walkers in is near the Wolves? Solly Mack Oct 2015 #117
What the hell is that horn? NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #120
Could be. Maybe that idiot Gabriel. Probably the Wolves though. Or Enid? Solly Mack Oct 2015 #122
I was thinking maybe Gabriel, too NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #123
That'd make some sense, Joe Shlabotnik Oct 2015 #136
Nooooooooooo bettyellen Oct 2015 #118
Who is doing that? Solly Mack Oct 2015 #119
If I had to guess.... Liberal Veteran Oct 2015 #121
Probably. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #124
Time to decompress with the Talking Dead. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #125
Well, no one is safe anywhere. There are now cgi walkers! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #126
But, they did have around 1,000 extras NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #130
And that was cool...but now we're not safe watching and typing. :) Solly Mack Oct 2015 #131
Zombies with tans! Solly Mack Oct 2015 #128
If it is Ron, then he wants everyone to die for his father. Solly Mack Oct 2015 #129
Well that was certainly worth the wait! Holy shit that was awesome! Baclava Oct 2015 #132
I can't watch the episode yet IrishEyes Oct 2015 #133
Let us know what you think NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #165
I don't mind spoilers. IrishEyes Oct 2015 #166
"We'll do it live!" Had to be a Billo reference Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #134
I was thinking that, too NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #141
Glad to finally see a new episode, Joe Shlabotnik Oct 2015 #138
I'll probably have to go back & re-watch it NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #142
Good explanation for why the city has so few incidents with walkers. ladyVet Oct 2015 #147
I miss the old baby Judith. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #157
Sorry I thought that episode was boring underpants Oct 2015 #151
. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #158
I have to agree. sammythecat Oct 2015 #178
You can teach somebody to hit a baseball or drive a golf ball NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #180
Did you watch Fear the Walking Dead? Iris Oct 2015 #200
Yes, I did. sammythecat Oct 2015 #208
I love your long post! I'm traveling for work and will save this to read carefully later this week! Iris Oct 2015 #209
If you have read the books NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #210
Agreed. Lex Oct 2015 #183
Cheval de frise MosheFeingold Oct 2015 #191
They built those at the prison NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #192
Any sort of fortification MosheFeingold Oct 2015 #195
Technically, though NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #197
That involves the skills of military engineers pinboy3niner Oct 2015 #201
they had some at the prison NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #202
Well, the VC weren't heavy on mounted cavalry MosheFeingold Oct 2015 #203
I can attest to the fact that during the VN War our training didn't include military history pinboy3niner Oct 2015 #204
Just speculation on my part here NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #206
That gets to the question of having the weapons and ammunition pinboy3niner Oct 2015 #207
I'm guessing NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #205
As Rick & his group have realized, the Alex people are super soft in the field. GOLGO 13 Oct 2015 #193
If you look back NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #196
That's a very good point. GOLGO 13 Oct 2015 #211
it could be Enid NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #212
I'm thinking those 2 guys that Morgan let live GOLGO 13 Oct 2015 #213
going back to last year's season finale NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #214
Funny or Dead's "11 Most Ridiculous things about last night's Walking Dead premiere" Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #198
That was funny NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #199

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
2. well, about 12 hours away
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:21 AM
Oct 2015

it will be here before you know it.

I wonder how Fear the Walking Dead's schedule will look next year with the show being expanded to 13 episodes? We will have 29 weeks of zombies on Sunday nights, then 10 weeks of Game of Thrones.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
4. 92 minute premier! I am sure those extra two minutes are crucial, LOL.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:01 PM
Oct 2015

Makes me crazy, the obnoxious way they schedule this stuff these days.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
7. I somehow missed that last week! Was it during Talking Or Fear of? I did
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:03 PM
Oct 2015

catch it online. I think it;s going to be fun- but not at one minute at a time! Come on already, LOL.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
6. On Talking Dead tonight
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:50 PM
Oct 2015

Greg Nicotero and Scott Gimple - plus, a "surprise cast guest"

I wonder who is going to die?

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
13. Well, it could be that guy that Glenn
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:57 PM
Oct 2015

fought with at the end of last season? The one that left Noah to die?

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
15. That would be OK. Nicholas left the other people too. He and Aiden.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

That's what they do (or did) in Alexandria. Just write you off. Cowards.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
16. Aiden at least seemed to realize he was wrong
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 04:18 PM
Oct 2015

at the end, and started respecting Glenn. Nicholas just kept being an asshole.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
18. True. Glenn spared Nicholas and I hope that doesn't prove costly.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 04:40 PM
Oct 2015

For Glenn...I don't care for Nicholas.

Baitball Blogger

(46,711 posts)
145. I get the impression, after listening to Talking Dead,
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:25 AM
Oct 2015

That Nicholas is going to play an important role for Glenn. Like, maybe redeem himself in a big way.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
152. From the show, it looks like he will.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:44 AM
Oct 2015

He survived. He stepped up and helped. He trust Glenn and wants others to trust him too. Poor Glenn. He's decided to keep Nicholas alive, and should he die - Glenn will be devastated. Especially if he dies saving Glenn or Maggie. If Nicholas' actions cause others to die, Glenn will be rocked. Nicholas is Glenn's project in that Nicholas, like Tara, was someone who caused harm to the group or a member of the group. Tara having been part of the Governor's posse.

I think Glenn sees Nicholas as his own redemption, in a way. As a mark of his own humanity. He couldn't shoot him in the woods, and he really wanted to shoot the him. He opted for giving Nicholas a second chance when he didn't tell the group what he did in the woods. He told Maggie and she seems to be taking Glenn's lead - as does Tara.

That trust could pay off in a big way. Or it could lead to something truly ugly.

Trust usually bites our group in the bottom. But then it goes back to the kind of person you are, not the kind of person someone else is...

Baitball Blogger

(46,711 posts)
160. For sure.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:03 AM
Oct 2015

If Nicholas gets Glenn killed, expect Maggie or Tara to murder him. Outright murder him.

In Talking Dead, someone said that second chances for one person, can mean death to you.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
172. Tara, maybe. I think Maggie and Glenn are too much alike that way.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:00 PM
Oct 2015

Glenn couldn't. Maggie won't. Too much Herschel in her.

Tara has been greatly influenced by Glenn, Maggie, and Eugene, so...

Second chances can kill you in the zombie world. But then that goes back to the primary theme - how humanity reacts/evolves/maintains.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
168. My guess is that he's on a bad trajectory
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:37 AM
Oct 2015

Just a guess that has nothing to do with the comics/Negan.

I think we're going to see Glenn emerge more & more as a quiet leader - somebody that people like & trust more than fear (like with Rick). Rick is going to handle the big picture stuff, but then Glenn emerges as the likable and trustworthy guy to Nicholas, Heath and probably a few others. It will slowly win over the Alexandrians to support Team Rick.

I think there was also a hint from Maggie that Glenn is fighting for more than just him and Maggie - maybe Maggie is pregnant?

So, he will emerge as this impressive leader and then something will happen and he will die - be it from Negan, or maybe he saves Maggie or Nicholas from certain doom by throwing himself in front of a horde of zombies.



Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
170. That sounds all too probable. I thought last season that Glenn might not make it back
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:54 AM
Oct 2015

to the compound. The two of them being captured by the Wolves.

Glenn is a leader, a complementary one to Rick's talents.

Maggie is looking kind of rough. More so than she should be with running water and clean clothing. She could be pregnant. Early stages taking its toll in a zombie world would cause her to be that much more worried.

I think Glenn does die this season. Probably mid-season or end season. I hate typing that out.

It will most likely play out as you described. Maybe Nicholas makes it his job in life to watch over Maggie and Glenn's child.

Glenn spared his life - so he owes Glenn.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
171. I hope I'm wrong
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:57 AM
Oct 2015

I was also worried that maybe he had been bitten at the end of last season as well..

Still, I think he started to step up as a leader at the end of last season, after kind of being in the background for a few seasons (other than some moments here & there)

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
174. Might as well come to grips with it now. One of ours will die.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:05 PM
Oct 2015

That's what the show masters do to us.

It's as if everyone from the prison has the same last name - Stark.

Baitball Blogger

(46,711 posts)
146. Did you hear what they said about him in Talking Dead?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:30 AM
Oct 2015

I think it was him they were referring to when one of the writers of the show said that he writes down what that the actors say in real life that he finds amusing. And he said that he went to the actor and complimented him by saying that when he acts, he makes it look effortless. And the actor responded, "That's because I put very little effort into it."

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
8. Holy crap, already ?!1
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:12 PM
Oct 2015

I had better call my cable company and get AMC again.

I've been so busy and preoccupied with work that I didn't watch any of the Fear series. I think I'll download them and binge watch them on a weekend.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
25. I got some friends totally hooked by showing them that one, Rambo Carol
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 06:40 PM
Oct 2015

was one of the best ever. She's the Terminus-inator!

Baitball Blogger

(46,711 posts)
148. I love the interplay between her and Morgan. Will they get along?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:37 AM
Oct 2015

I just really admire Melissa McBride more and more every day. She has played that character in so many dimensions. From abused housewife, to benign killer, to Rambo Carol, and now she's Undercover Susie Homemaker.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
23. Noooooooooooooo1!?!!1
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 06:38 PM
Oct 2015

I called my cable company and their channel adding system is crashed until tomorrow! Looks like I'll be watching this after midnight, when I get a hold of it through other means.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
26. Its ok,
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 06:44 PM
Oct 2015

I actually don't mind having a copy of the show to watch over again anyway. But to be honest, chatting along here is what I'll miss.

Baitball Blogger

(46,711 posts)
149. Loved the way Rick rejected his offer to volunteer.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:41 AM
Oct 2015

That's real leadership. Didn't even try to be diplomatic about it in a crowded room.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
159. Didn't even bat an eye. An automatic "NO!".
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:01 AM
Oct 2015

Gabriel agrees with Deanna that he was wrong and maybe, just maybe, he wants to redeem himself now. But he never was that trustworthy and is a pariah now to the Prison group.

I still don't trust him. He appears suicidal - to a point.

Ever notice how that will to survive kicks in at the last second with Gabriel? I think he's a lot like Sasha and Abraham (I'm living - hunting down walkers, crawling into graves, jumping out of the car and chasing walkers away in the woods)

Both Sasha and Abraham get that urge to destroy walkers for all they have lost. This urge, this almost manic feeling, is just below the surface, constantly churning and fighting to get out. Look at both their behaviors that others find scary. Even to each other - they each find the others behavior suicidal.

Remember Rick after Lori died? He went on that one-man walker killing spree. He got that out of his system in his spree - it burned out. Not so with Sasha or Abraham - they're a slow constant burn.

I think Gabriel is like that. Driven by guilt, the loss of his faith, but still needing to believe. So he goes off on his own, comes across a walker, looks as if he's wanting to die - only to have his suppressed anger push through, kill the walker, and he survive.

He needs that rush. He's done the walk alone in the woods thing a few times now.

But I could be wrong. lol

Baitball Blogger

(46,711 posts)
163. The interchange between Maggie and Gabriel was priceless.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:18 AM
Oct 2015

Maggie would know about false priests. Where she lived, there would have been a congregation with the usual crop of disingenuous religious leaders. But I don't know exactly when she lost her religion. Was it after her father died? Her sister? Before the Walker apocalypse?

Maybe that doesn't matter as much as the fact that she knows that Gabriel is a fallen leader.

But, Gabriel-from the Bible, is the angel that is associated with redemption, so that might mean that Gabriel will redeem himself in the end. But, probably will end Christlike, by giving up his life to save everyone else.

Names do have meaning on WD. i.e. The little girl, Lizzie, who killed her sister was probably inspired by Lizzie Borden.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
167. Maggie told Glenn she felt herself growing away from her upbringing/religion for a while.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:29 AM
Oct 2015

Before the walkers, before she met Glenn. This was back on the farm. I think everything else happening pushed it over the edge.

She still carries the teachings of her father with her though. Be kind, be fair, be decent, give second chances. (Compared to where Rick is now - I don't take chances anymore...this season's theme, I think - giving second, or even first chances v. killing people outright...the ever slipping hold on your humanity)

I hope Gabriel pulls something good out of himself. Otherwise, he remains a danger to the group and to himself.

I agree. Certain names have specific character driven meanings.



Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
186. That wouldn't surprise me. I hope not, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:36 PM
Oct 2015

He needs to get on the good foot and that isn't the way.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
188. speaking of "good foot"
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 09:03 AM
Oct 2015

remember when he crawled out of the church? He got a rather big nail in his foot. Whatever happened to that? Did they show him getting treated/getting a tetanus shot? Or, at least some antibiotic?

Baitball Blogger

(46,711 posts)
150. Best ever!
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:43 AM
Oct 2015

I wonder how much it cost for to pay for those extras. I will listen to Talking Dead again, because they did reveal some info on what it cost to make this show, and I could have sworn they said they had to make some compromises because they went over-budget.

Laffy Kat

(16,379 posts)
53. Been lookin' forward to this all day.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:17 PM
Oct 2015

Had to be at work from 6:00 a.m until 4:30 which was a drag but now.. WALKING DEAD. Somehow making brownies during WD has become A Thing at my house, too. Brownies and WD.

Baitball Blogger

(46,711 posts)
154. You think that was flirting?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:46 AM
Oct 2015

I missed the scene where Michonne stole his peanut butter power bar, but they made a big deal about it on Talking Dead.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
162. Yeah, actually, I do. I think he needed an opening and that was as good as any.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:18 AM
Oct 2015

It showed he paid attention even when they thought he wasn't in his right mind. (During the "Clear" episode)

I think most people would assume Carl grabbed it. Kids get hungry, especially growing teens. If they noticed at all. Morgan was living in a different world at the time.

When Rick, Carl, and Michonne went back to Rick's hometown they found Morgan. Up in the room Morgan was staying in there was a lot of food. Michonne grabbed a bar. Rick gave her a funny look about it - taking his food.

I think he wants to get to know Rick's group and that could be all it was....but there seemed to be something else there in his voice.

His talking to Carol had a different tone, a different feel. He wanted to get to know her too....but it wasn't the same. He was more direct with Carol. He used humor with Michonne and I don't think it was because he knew either well enough to already know the best approach with each. I think he wanted Michonne to be amused. Even if he had more than one motive.







Baitball Blogger

(46,711 posts)
164. It happened that far back! LOL!
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:21 AM
Oct 2015

You're right. That was an opening. Would love to see sparks fly between Michonne and Morgan.

Right now, if he figures out that Carol is being devious, he might overlook it as long as she stays benign.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
169. I prefer Michonne with Rick. I like them being a family group.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:46 AM
Oct 2015

Carol's happy homemaker face will drop around Morgan soon enough. He's Rick's friend and that means more time around the Prison group. Carol is still Rambo Carol around her own.

I think Morgan understands wearing a mask until you know better. He'll be OK with it.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
66. Sam is the youngest. Ron the oldest. Sam is the cookie lover. (Carol's cookies)
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:32 PM
Oct 2015

Ron was sitting on the couch with Jessie and ran off. He was watching them bury his father, heard what Deanna said, and then followed Rick and Morgan.

Baitball Blogger

(46,711 posts)
156. Did we ever get to hear what the full plan was?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:49 AM
Oct 2015

I never did hear what they planned to do with that many zombies.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
161. they were funneling them up the road
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:15 AM
Oct 2015

and then Daryl and Sasha/Abraham were going to lead them about 20 miles away from Alexandria. Then, I guess, Daryl and Sasha/Abe would circle back on another road

amerikat

(4,909 posts)
96. Helium has no expiration. Use it everyday.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:01 PM
Oct 2015

Helium is used to check for leaks in high vacuum system. No helium,
no computer chips.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
175. It's a "noble gas"
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:56 PM
Oct 2015

like gold is a noble metal. They're highly inert and, except under the most extreme conditions, don't react with any other elements. Helium could be stored for just about forever if kept from dissipating away.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
176. correct
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:58 PM
Oct 2015

they mentioned that on Talking Dead - if properly stored, it will last for many years. In the early chaos of the apocalypse, most people wouldn't be grabbing helium tanks, either.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
194. Their flock has definitely strayed
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:44 AM
Oct 2015

Question is, who is summoning them?

Has Gabriel, well, blown his horn?

Or is it it a wolf howl?

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
137. It was! Morgan sees through Carol's Betty Crocker routine.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:07 AM
Oct 2015

She's been with Rick for a long time. He knows that means she's also a killer.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
139. I like how Morgan really is like a Jedi master.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:12 AM
Oct 2015

He could so easily have been brought back into the show as the head of a mystical cult of ninjas.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
100. I agree with Morgan. They shouldn't put the weakest first. Even with a small group of walkers.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:06 PM
Oct 2015

Kind of looked like Rick wanted a few of them taken out. That's a point he need not prove. Train them, yes - but don't just throw them in when you can help as a team. As a leader.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
106. he is right
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:14 PM
Oct 2015

they can do some training behind the walls first, then go in teams with experienced members.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
110. Rick made the right call then. Morgan and Michonne can stop looking at him that way.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:19 PM
Oct 2015

Carter was a goner. His screams were hurting others.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
113. His death will look suspicious though. Carter wants to kill Rick then Carter dies.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:24 PM
Oct 2015

Not everyone saw Carter agree that Rick was right and the hand shake.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
117. What if the direction they are leading the walkers in is near the Wolves?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:29 PM
Oct 2015

What if Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham get captured?

Or worse.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
122. Could be. Maybe that idiot Gabriel. Probably the Wolves though. Or Enid?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:33 PM
Oct 2015

I don't trust her. I always thought she was a spy for the Wolves.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
136. That'd make some sense,
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:05 AM
Oct 2015

I assumed it was Gabriel though. I don't think we know that much about the Wolves yet, but they seem more sadistic as apposed to just wanting to wipe out a town with walkers.

IrishEyes

(3,275 posts)
133. I can't watch the episode yet
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 12:18 AM
Oct 2015

It was funny to read your comments without watching the episode yet. It was like hearing a sports commentator on the radio. I'm looking forward to watching it. It sounds like it was an awesome episode.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
165. Let us know what you think
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:21 AM
Oct 2015

after you've watched it.

I used to post "play by play" updates back in seasons 2 and 3 because a few DUers had to work Sunday nights and wanted to know what was happening as it happened and didn't mind the spoilers. (Not sure what happened to them?)

IrishEyes

(3,275 posts)
166. I don't mind spoilers.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:27 AM
Oct 2015

Especially for a show like this. I like to be prepared for a tragic death of a favorite character.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
138. Glad to finally see a new episode,
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:10 AM
Oct 2015

but I was a little underwhelmed. I know there had to be a lot back story explained, and I didn't think it dragged, and I thought the quarry was cool new development, but it didn't have the intensity that I was craving. I think there was one or two other season or mid season openers that I felt the same way about, but I'll bet the next episode will be intense.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
142. I'll probably have to go back & re-watch it
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:34 AM
Oct 2015

interesting idea on funneling the zombies away from the town. Looks like that is coming back to bite them, however.

You'd think that Daryl and Aaron would have warned them about the walker trap and they'd be on the lookout for them.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
147. Good explanation for why the city has so few incidents with walkers.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:32 AM
Oct 2015

Deanna said last season that she thought it was because the Army cleared out so many, but as we've seen from Atlanta, they're herding and on the move. It didn't make sense that Alexandria hadn't had much contact with a herd. So, they're entombing themselves in a quarry works.

At first I thought that was some plan of the Wolves, to collect a big group of dead and then lead them to the city. It would be overrun with that many zombies hitting it en masse.

I was lurking on another forum (where I'm not a member) and folks were complaining about how things wouldn't work six years into an apocalypse, but it hasn't been six years for the characters. I think two and a half, at most, judging from baby Judith. She's not walking yet, or they haven't shown any indication she is.

Also, I think there's a new set of girls playing Judith, since this season starts right after last (it's the next day), and the other twins would be too old now.

Baitball Blogger

(46,711 posts)
157. I miss the old baby Judith.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:57 AM
Oct 2015

This new one doesn't look anything like her. Though, still cute.

As for things not working, I guess, along with not having the background to use the word "zombie," the WD world also didn't have an energy crisis that required adding ethanol in the gasoline.

In a nutshell, should the same thing happen to us, we are going to be in a world of hurt since the gas is only good for about a month.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
178. I have to agree.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:16 PM
Oct 2015

I was very disappointed but not very surprised. I'm getting a little tired of this idea that gang Rick are some kind of super-fighters that other people can only dream of becoming. I mean, really, what is so f'ing complex about dealing with zombies? A one hour class ought to give anyone all the info needed. They're attracted to noise, they're single-minded and absolutely relentless, but they're also extremely slow, stupid, and rotten. Always carry a weapon of some kind, keep your eyes and ears open, use common sense, and you're good to go.

I just can't make myself buy into Rick and company being so great and the people of Alexandria being so stupid and incompetent. It's just too unrealistic.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
180. You can teach somebody to hit a baseball or drive a golf ball
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 03:26 PM
Oct 2015

and it's easy to explain and show people what to do. But, actually getting out there & doing it "live" is a whole lot different. Then, doing it when competing against major league pitchers is way beyond just hitting the ball against a high school pitcher.

The same with "killing" walkers. Except for a few short interludes, Rick and company have been doing it almost non-stop for 3+ years now. Other than the Alexandria runners, who seem competent, nobody in Alexandria has done any walker killing. Doing it in a life or death situation is beyond even facing major league pitching or hitting a golf ball against Tiger Woods in his prime. Daryl likely used a crossbow for years before the apocalypse, while Rick was a cop for years and probably had regular training with his gun, and also how to deal with people in hand-to-hand situations.

Iris

(15,657 posts)
200. Did you watch Fear the Walking Dead?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 10:49 PM
Oct 2015

I kept thinking about how we were seeing that group from the beginning and they were already making morally and ethically compromised choices. We meet Rick in a similar state since he was in a coma when shit went down, but the others, they had already made those types of choices before and we just don't know about them. That's why we've cared about them for so long, but I feel like now, there is some nod to the idea that these people are not always better than other groups of people. I found Rick's idea that they didn't need to keep looking for survivors to be pretty shady. Darryl has become the moral compass.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
208. Yes, I did.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:16 PM
Oct 2015

I liked it, I think because I really wanted to like it. After the first episode they seemed to skip season 1 and went directly to season 2. Some zombies showed up and next thing you know the army is abandoning an already collapsed Los Angeles. I get it that things would happen quickly, but not instantaneously. It seems they went right past a whole treasure trove of stories about people learning about, and reacting to, the very beginning of the end of civilization. Nothing works, no one has a job, no income, no medicine, money is worthless, and if there is something you need to have, you're going to have to take it from someone else. Everyone becomes a looter and thief. I'd think good writers ought to be able to come up with dozens of compelling stories about the first week of people realizing that everything is really going to hell, permanently. Instead, our heroes are already on their first road trip and it's starting to look like The Walking Dead, west coast chapter.

I don't dislike the show. I'm rooting for it to succeed and I, like everyone else I'm sure, am intrigued as hell about the wealthy black guy (forget his name). I hope the writers can keep him compelling. He and Salazar are the most interesting characters on the show in my view.

I agree with everything you said. Darryl is sane, Rick is not, and I was relieved to see the writers acknowledge that by having Pete's wife properly creeped out by Ricks totally inappropriate advances. Rick needs to be tied down until they can find the right medicine for him.

I've seen every episode of the The Walking Dead and it's the only show I watch regularly. Well, that and Talking Dead, of which, I think Chris Hartline is just the perfect host. So I'm a big fan, but this premiere left me disappointed. I'm not 13 anymore. I don't need a million zombies to keep me interested. I wish the show would use them as a seasoning rather than the entree. The way Westerns use horses and landscape, it has to be there, but you still need to have a compelling story. What this show needs, and what I hope we're going to get this Sunday, is a really good villain. Another Governor, Shane, or "can't go back Bob" Bob. A dangerous human challenger and zombies thrown in to complicate things. Also I hope, I pray, I get to see Carl run over by a tank and churned into mud. I don't like the character at all and I think Chandler Riggs is absolutely the worst young actor in the world.

Another thing that kinda bugged me. The Alexandrians are living near normal lives in an actual functioning town while the Grimes Gang are the ones living in a van down by the river, yet it's supposedly highly doubtful that the Alexandrians can ever even hope to be halfway as awesome as Rick & company. If the Grimes gang could cope and adapt (with a long casualty list of their own, btw) I see no reason the people of Alexandria couldn't do the same in the same reasonable amount of time. Rick, Darryl, Glenn, et all do not have super powers and the people in Alexandria are not hapless idiots totally incapable of learning a few rudimentary skills in order to stay alive.

Oh. I was just ready to post this and I just remembered something. How could I forget?

I don't get HBO and a couple years ago somebody gave me a birthday present of the first 3 seasons of Game of Thrones. I'd heard of it but thought it was a video game. It was a couple weeks until I finally popped the first one in. I was a complete and total junkie after the first hour. Really, I couldn't stop watching it. I saw all 30 hours in less than 4 days. And they are 60 minute hours, not 42. I'd stay up 'til 3,4 in the morning. Top notch, as good as it gets, acting, terrific characters, great stories, and the production is unbelievably good. Each episode is a feature film. For me, this show is the zenith of television entertainment. It's Breaking Bad good and then some. If you've never seen it I hope you'll check it out. Odds are really good you'll enjoy it like all its other fans, plus I envy you that you'll have 50 hours to watch and another 10 coming up. I can't wait.

If you have seen GoT I have to say I miss the Hound. The interaction between the Hound and Arrya on their road trip was just great and one of my favorite scenarios of the whole series.I Miss Oberyn Martell. Varys is always interesting. And Jaime and Brienne. Shit, what am I trying to do here? All the characters are good (not too into the Sand Snakes though). Even the weakest is better than most any other you'll see because story and surrounding characters always serve to keep your interest. There is no annoying Carl, and Chandler Riggs would have zero chance(as in never, ever) of ever getting a role on Game of Thrones.

So that's that. Long live the Hound!






Iris

(15,657 posts)
209. I love your long post! I'm traveling for work and will save this to read carefully later this week!
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:26 PM
Oct 2015

Thanks!

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
210. If you have read the books
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:48 AM
Oct 2015

there are hints that The Hound is not dead.

Agree on Game of Thrones being an excellent show - the writing quality, acting and storytelling are definitely a notch above The Walking Dead.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
183. Agreed.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:05 PM
Oct 2015

Maybe it was just setting up for the next few episodes, but it was not an exciting episode.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
191. Cheval de frise
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 10:42 AM
Oct 2015

Is my biggest beef with the Walking Dead.

They've been around for 3000 years. Not hard to build:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheval_de_frise

Be a perfect anti-walker method. Mobile. Easy to build (telephone poles and chainsaws, anyone). Build a couple layers of these around fields; expand as needed. The black jedi guy with the stick already did something like this.

Walls are nice, but you need layers upon layers in this circumstance.

I'd also build zombie traps at various points coming into town --- big holes with a blinking light and car alarm to thin the local population. They've got back hoes and shovels.

Ditches, too. Move the dirt to the inner side to create a wall.

Presumably someone was in combat and remembers this stuff. It's been 60+ years since I took a class in fortifications in the Army. It's just not that hard.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
192. They built those at the prison
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:13 AM
Oct 2015

at least by the prison gates. However, with thousands of zombies, they would soon overrun those sorts of barricades through sheer numbers. It would quickly become a hill of zombies.

That said, I do agree that a moat and maybe 2-3 rows of those barricades would have been a wise decision.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
195. Any sort of fortification
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:52 AM
Oct 2015

Doesn't work if not constantly manned and pruned (and patrolled outside the fortification).

They just give you time to deal with the problem.

So as things get breached, move more cheval de frise into place.

I had to make a version our of barbed wire and five poles repeatedly in WWII. Light, easy, quick to build. Ten guys could circle the town in a day or so. Then add a layer, and another, and another. 50 yards thick.

They're in rural areas. It's not like they would run out of barbed wire and trees.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
197. Technically, though
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 12:12 PM
Oct 2015

Alexandria is a pretty densely populated small city of about 150,000 people - it's not all that rural. The "sustainable" subdivision where they are is supposed to be within the city, according to the Wiki page. It's right across the river from Washington DC, too.

While I'm sure there are plenty of suburban/residential areas within the city, it does seem kind of odd to me that they have this much "forest" area right nearby - a lonely road lined with trees and abandoned cars. If it was really Alexandria, they might have tree lined streets, but you'd be able to see homes and/or small businesses behind the row or two of trees.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
201. That involves the skills of military engineers
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:03 PM
Oct 2015

In the Army Infantry in the VN Era, we learned to dig two things--latrines and foxholes.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
203. Well, the VC weren't heavy on mounted cavalry
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:08 AM
Oct 2015

But my youngest son made the very same contraptions of polls and razor wire I made in WWII in Vietnam. It would trap a man and surely trap walkers. We used street sign polls in France. He used bamboo.

Every officer, warrant officer, and most senior enlisted goes through some sort of historical warfare class and learns this stuff because it comes in handy periodically.

For an unrelated example, both the USA and the British used a bayonet charge in close quarters in Iraq to great effect.

The ginger with the handlebar mustache would no doubt be aware how to build this stuff.

The town could build 2-3 of these a day and have one loop in a couple weeks. The next loop would be easier because you could move out the circle to protect you as you installed. Get about 50 yards of buffer between you and the woods.

Make a bit of a maze so you could get in and out, but the walkers would bottleneck.

Man the inside of the circle and kill the occasional walker that broke the line. Retreat as necessary.

It would also open up areas for crops outside the wall itself.

This is medieval fortifications 101. Surely someone played D&D.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
204. I can attest to the fact that during the VN War our training didn't include military history
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:31 AM
Oct 2015

In the Army all the training was focused on fighting in VN. One thing I came to admire about the Marines was that they gave military history to their recruits. I went through Army Basic and AIT and Infantry OCS without a lick of military history.

Like I said, we could dig latrines and foxholes. Even fill sandbags and build bunkers. But that was it. Without engineer units, we would have been at a loss about how to build walls to repel zombies.

Now, if the Army ever gets into a zombie war You'll see a whole lot of new shit in their training.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
206. Just speculation on my part here
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 11:33 AM
Oct 2015

If Rick and company had a couple of 50 caliber machine guns and enough ammunition for them to fire for a few minutes each, they could just rip that gigantic herd to shreds. Even if you don’t get head shots, you would tear some in half and/or punch holes in chests and stomachs, tear some limbs off and what not. You might have a lot of live zombies left, but they would be lying helpless and immobile on the ground like Bicycle Girl from the very first episode.

Rip the herd to shreds with the 50 caliber machine guns, then get a tank and drive over the bodies. After that is done, send in a bunch of people with spears and those big rubber wading boots that fishermen wear and just have them mop up the rest.

That’s part of the reason why I think a zombie apocalypse is really not all that probable. I think a coordinated military response would stop it pretty quickly.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
207. That gets to the question of having the weapons and ammunition
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 11:51 AM
Oct 2015

Ammunition always seems to be in short supply, thus Rick's group resorting to pointed and edged weapons whenever possible.

You may have a point in questioning how the nilitary collapsed so quickly--but we're actually talking seriously here about zombies and a fictional TV show. The controllers of the show can make anything they want happen.

In any case, I have taken certain steps to survive the zombie apocalyse. I can't tell you what they are, because for all I know you may be a zombie.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
205. I'm guessing
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:45 AM
Oct 2015

that Eugene was a D&D player.

The ginger is Sergeant Abraham Ford, played by Michael Cudlitz. In the comics, Abraham becomes Rick’s right hand man after Tyreese’s death.

Of course, on the show, Daryl has been the right hand man since they got to the prison and Tyreese and now Abraham have taken a back seat to Daryl.

I think they probably should have but up those barriers, but once that truck at the back of the quarry fell down, they had to enact their plan much quicker than anticipated. They did note that the walkers were escaping, so we had Abraham call out that they had to “do it live” like Bill O’Reilly.

Maybe they can do that longer-term? Given that Alexandria has 40+ people and had empty houses and some open space for solar panels not on rooftops, I am guessing they’re on at least 10 acres of land if each of these large homes was on about 0.25 to 0.33 acres of land. To fence in the subdivision, you are talking about walls that are 600 to 700 feet long each, or a combined 2,400 feet to 2,800 feet. If each barrier is 20 feet long, you are talking 120 to 140 barricades. That is a lot of work – making three per day is a 40 to 50 day task.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
193. As Rick & his group have realized, the Alex people are super soft in the field.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:24 AM
Oct 2015

They have no "edge" to them & are all about self preservation/status quo at any cost. Rick's crew is hard as nails & know they have to back up/rely on each other. Individual Z's don't frighten Rick's group, only the herds bother them.

As we saw on this episode, the Alex crew wanted nothing to do with the herd plan. Rick & crew had to zombie-shame them into action, and as soon as a couple of Z's show up the Alex crew want to blast away without concern of noise/stealth.

Rick wants to "toughen them up". Hence him wanting the entire community to be armed at all times & be always ready to spring into action. Unfortunately for Carter (no last name necessary) one scrawny Z & he endangered them till Rick "fixed" his problem.

Rick's crew has evolved into a highly capable unit of monster fighters (dead or alive). While the Alex people have become infantilized behind their walls.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
196. If you look back
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 12:02 PM
Oct 2015

In seasons 1 and 2, Rick and company were not good zombie fighters. It was only after the time jump and them finding the prison did they become a well honed zombie fighting team. The folks in Alexandria are basically somewhat like Rick's team in Season 1. (On Talking Dead, they even said that if Rick had been in Alexandria since the beginning, he might have turned out like Carter...)

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
211. That's a very good point.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:11 AM
Oct 2015

I think there's something to be said about who has felt "loss" & how they come back from that loss. Loss changes you.

Nearly all the heavy hitters on Rick's crew (Rick/Michonne/Daryl/Abraham/Carol/Glen) have been through some serious emotional garbage time with losing somebody close to them. It seems to spur them to fight even harder than those who haven't felt loss.

I can't wait to see who pulled that fucking air-horn. I'm thinking it's either the dead Dr's son or that weird girl that Carl is hot about.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
212. it could be Enid
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:02 AM
Oct 2015

I think she might be in league with The Wolves, or it could be one of those two guys that Morgan let live last season. Either way, I think Enid won't last - young girls don't seem to have a long lifespan on the show.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
213. I'm thinking those 2 guys that Morgan let live
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:29 AM
Oct 2015

Are both members of "The Wolves". Every now & then they'll be graffiti in the background of some scenes about "The Wolves". Lots of foreshadowing going on in the background. Those "W" popping up on some of the zombies foreheads have been showing up near Alexandria.

Coincidence? I think not.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
214. going back to last year's season finale
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:41 AM
Oct 2015

I think it's pretty certain those two guys were part of The Wolves. Remember, they also found pictures that Aaron had of the walls and everything in Alexandria.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
199. That was funny
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:12 PM
Oct 2015

introducing 2 black guys at once, so they don't get criticized for offing every black guy.

The ones for game of thrones are good, too, "If Game of Thrones took place on Facebook"

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