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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:33 PM Feb 2016

In what year did American popular music reach its peak, from which it has inexorably fallen since?

Interested in the Lounge's opinion.

(It is kind of an amazing coincidence that the undeniable peak of popular music just happens to have been my senior year in college...)


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In what year did American popular music reach its peak, from which it has inexorably fallen since? (Original Post) Recursion Feb 2016 OP
I was going to answer... cemaphonic Feb 2016 #1
1998 was also the year Tom was *recording* Mule Variations, so there's that... (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #2
Hmm, good point cemaphonic Feb 2016 #4
Something about Black Rider still gets me Recursion Feb 2016 #5
1980, or whenever the hell disco was foisted upon us.....n/t dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #3
+1000 hobbit709 Mar 2016 #16
We need a boomer grumpy forum..... dixiegrrrrl Mar 2016 #17
1975... warrprayer Feb 2016 #6
Going back a *long* time--1936 First Speaker Feb 2016 #7
I know a Mumbai Historian, Naresh Fernandes, who wrote about Bombay in the jazz age Recursion Feb 2016 #8
Don't forget... warrprayer Feb 2016 #10
In support of 1998 I offer the following evidence: Recursion Feb 2016 #9
I can't speak for Jamaal510 Feb 2016 #11
1973 - To name just a few... Number9Dream Mar 2016 #12
1972 n/t Shrek Mar 2016 #13
1492 Wolf Frankula Mar 2016 #14
Why, in the years of my adolescence and young adulthood. n/t Orsino Mar 2016 #15
Dev-O kentauros Mar 2016 #18
Hasn't yet, we are right now, today, in the golden age of music..... ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #19
2167 Throd Mar 2016 #20

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
4. Hmm, good point
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016

Also Gillian Welch's "Hell Among the Yearlings."

Though I think that "Bone Machine" was the best of Waits' 90's albums.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Something about Black Rider still gets me
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:10 PM
Feb 2016

I keep going back and forth on whether the 90s were his best decade or his worst, though.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
17. We need a boomer grumpy forum.....
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:10 PM
Mar 2016

where I can imitate my grandmother more often, because I find myself becoming her......eeeeek.......

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
6. 1975...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:42 PM
Feb 2016

It died in '80 when the corporations bought every radio station in America.
Reagan and Meese finished the job.
1990's were a yearning for what once was, a remembrance of lost Atlantis.


First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
7. Going back a *long* time--1936
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:53 PM
Feb 2016

...at that moment, you had Berlin, Porter, Rodgers, and of course Gershwin, all in their primes. Ellington, Fletcher Henderson, Chick Webb, Jimmie Lunceford, and Louis Armstrong, on the African-American side of the ledger, were all at their peaks as well. In late 1935, the true Jazz Age, the so-called "Swing Era", began with Benny Goodman's appearance at the Palomar in Los Angeles...soon to follow were Artie Shaw, Woody Herman, Glenn Miller, the Dorsey brothers, and a million others. Count Basie was putting his band together in KC, and Lester Young was about to hit his stride. American popular music reached an artistic plateau, in my opinion, that has never been approached since. In 1937, Gershwin died, a symbolic turning point. And like Mozart, like Charlie Parker, like John Coltrane, I often wonder what he could have accomplished given a long life...

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. I know a Mumbai Historian, Naresh Fernandes, who wrote about Bombay in the jazz age
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

The book was called "Taj Mahal Foxtrot" and is really cool. And speaking of that, 1936 was the year that the first all-black American jazz act played in India, which would revolutionize both popular and film music in India. Probably the most important American musician during the 1930s in India was Teddy Weatherford, an African American from Virginia, who was once quoted as saying "I love India; they treat us white folks really well here."

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. In support of 1998 I offer the following evidence:
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

1. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
2. In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
3. Mezzanine
4. Vol. 2 Hard Knock Life
5. Aquemini
6. Music Has the Right to Children
7. Super æ
8. End Hits
9. American Water
10. The Shape of Punk to Come

If Tom Waits had just pushed out Mule Variations four months earlier, it would have been perfect.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
11. I can't speak for
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:33 AM
Feb 2016

other genres since I haven't been listening to them as long, but it feels like mainstream rap and R&B began falling off after 1997 and after certain artists passed away. The record labels have been pushing more songs that are catchy but have less thought in the lyrics, and many fans around my age have still been eating it up.

Number9Dream

(1,562 posts)
12. 1973 - To name just a few...
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:22 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:12 PM - Edit history (3)

Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd

Greetings From Asbury Park, NJ - Springsteen / E-Street

Houses of the Holy - Led Zeppelin

Countdown To Ecstasy - Steely Dan

Birds of Fire - Mahavishnu Orchestra

Innervisions - Stevie Wonder

Quadrophenia - The Who

Over-Nite Sensation - Frank Zappa / Mothers

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
19. Hasn't yet, we are right now, today, in the golden age of music.....
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

So much amazing music out there, if you try to find it.

Turn off your radio and listen to public radio. A community station like my local KVMR (Stream at kvmr.org) or a national station like wwoz.org (new Orleans).... They won't play the bullshit music that's on the radio but bring you newer artists.

Back then, there was only a bit of music available, now it is everywhere. Just look at the incredible female musicians out there right now: Bonnie Raitt (Who's latest album is incredible and deeply personal) Amy Helm, Lucinda Williams, Ani DiFranco, Neko Case, Gillian Welch, Carolyn Wonderland, Susan Tedeschi (Who's band, The Tedeschi,Trucks Band, is the best band in the world), Grace Potter, Sharon Jones etc.......All of them at the headline spot in festival lineups.

back then there was Janis, Loretta Lynn, Aretha and Barbra. Yeah others, but nothing like now.

So many great bands out there. The Revivalists? Whoa, holy crap. My Morning Jacket, Wilco, Thievery Corporation, Primus, String Cheese Incident, Widespread panic, Dave Matthews Band, moe.,Galactic, so many more out there that just flat fry your face live.

And the Blues, well most people think that music is gone but so many incredible young musicians in the genre. Joe Bonamassa, Matt Schofield to name a couple. Women are becoming very much headliners there too with Samantha Fish and Grace Potter being top of the pops right now.

Even country music is listenable (Providing you are listening to the right stations) with artists like Shooter Jennings, Lukas Nelson (Willie's kid) Sturgill Simpson, and a whole host of others.

Then we go to what is the real stuff, the Americana genre, which didn't really exist back then and The Eagles would be in that classification.
Conor Oberst. Emmylou Harris (Who is bigger now than ever as far as concert draw goes) lots of women in this genre especially, thanks to Emmylou and Hardly Strictly Bluegrass.

And the way we can see music has changed incredibly. The festival, where you can see 50 bands for the same money as one. The overall vibe of the festival is much preferred to the concrete stadium shows. Or even the amphitheater shows. Yeah some bands still play them, but I prefer a festie setting any day over Shoreline or Any other amphitheater. When you do a large place though,the venues are better. Like The Gorge, which is an incredible venue on the gorge of the Columbia River and offers freek freely camping and the ragingest party ever.

Reggae, now (if you don't listen to classic rock that is) is much more than Bob Marley. Slightly Stoopid! Rebulution, Groundation, Midnite, Ziggy and the rest of the Marleys (It is an incredibly spiritual live performance if you get the chance to see them all this summer)...Sometimes it crosses into a mix of reggae, ska and hip hop which is very unique, like Michael Franti and Spearhead.

And most of the old bands are out there still playing away. The Grateful Dead has how many iterations? Now they are out with John Mayer (Who, from what I understand, is a big deal all by himself)! Phish, hell we ain't even talking about the best band in the world right now, not named the Tedeschi Trucks band.


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