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UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:28 PM May 2016

from Reddit: The earliest (complete) music we know how it sounded. Greek.





https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/%CE%9F_%CE%95%CF%80%CE%B9%CF%84%CE%AC%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%82_%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85_%CE%A3%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%85_-_Epitaph_of_Seikilos.ogg

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seikilos_epitaph

The Seikilos epitaph is the oldest surviving complete musical composition, including musical notation, from anywhere in the world. The epitaph has been dated variously from around 200 BC to around AD 100, but the first century AD is the most probable guess. The song, the melody of which is recorded, alongside its lyrics, in the ancient Greek musical notation, was found engraved on a tombstone, a stele, near Aydın, Turkey (not far from Ephesus). It is a Hellenistic Ionic song in either the Phrygian octave species or Iastian tonos. While older music with notation exists (for example the Hurrian songs), all of it is in fragments; the Seikilos epitaph is unique in that it is a complete, though short, composition.[1]

The following is the Greek text found on the tombstone (in the later polytonic script; the original is in majuscule),[2] along with a transliteration of the words which are sung to the melody, and a somewhat free English translation thereof; this excludes the musical notation:

While you live, shine
have no grief at all
life exists only for a short while
and time demands an end.

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from Reddit: The earliest (complete) music we know how it sounded. Greek. (Original Post) UTUSN May 2016 OP
Cool. Tobin S. May 2016 #1
Somebody was an Epicurian. malthaussen May 2016 #2
That's lovely including the video, thanks. Questions: UTUSN May 2016 #3
Lyrics seem pretty straightforward. malthaussen May 2016 #5
Oh I love it!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik May 2016 #6
Stunningly beautiful. Bless you for finding it and sharing. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #14
That has more melody than most popular songs since 1990. nt valerief May 2016 #4
...and time demands an end Thanks OP, strangely it sounds like I have always imagined it would when Todays_Illusion May 2016 #7
"those times and cultures" - what we all think we're discovering, never happened before. ty UTUSN May 2016 #8
Catchy tune! nt MrScorpio May 2016 #9
Sounds so sophisticated for the "first" music! world wide wally May 2016 #10
I like it! Boldine May 2016 #11
What a great post - thanks, UTUSN! JudyM May 2016 #12
Touching and beautiful melody that suits the theme to a "T". Surya Gayatri May 2016 #13

UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
3. That's lovely including the video, thanks. Questions:
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

(Asking sincerely, not snarky)

* Will you expand on your "Epicurean" reference, please? Enjoyment of being alive to the fullest is how to interpret the lyrics?

* "Pretty haunting melody" - do you mean pretty AND haunting or pretty-haunting?

* Tempo change in the link, I guess we don't know the original tempo. The upbeat second half of the video sounds contemporary (ours).

********O.K., questions over!1 I just found this hand bell:

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
5. Lyrics seem pretty straightforward.
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:33 PM
May 2016

Pleasure is the Good. Remember, too, that one part of Epicurus's teaching was to do nothing to an excess that was painful, e.g. don't drink to where you'll be hung over. "Have no grief at all" would seem to reflect that attitude. Though I suppose one could interpret the epitaph as meaning not to sorrow in the end of life, but that's Epicurian, too.

"Pretty" modifies "haunting," otherwise I'd have used a comma.

Unless they had metronomes in the Hellenistic period, the tempo must be a matter of guesswork. If it's marked "Allegretto," something is fishy.

-- Mal

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
7. ...and time demands an end Thanks OP, strangely it sounds like I have always imagined it would when
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:14 PM
May 2016

I read of those times and cultures.

UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
8. "those times and cultures" - what we all think we're discovering, never happened before. ty
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:23 PM
May 2016

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What an old, uneducated woman told me about her dead husband: "He was just a working man. Nobody knew (what he lived)."

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
13. Touching and beautiful melody that suits the theme to a "T".
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:12 AM
May 2016

Brilliant. Music is the Universe's most important gift to mankind. It reaches us in places words alone cannot.

Together, lyrics and music can literally move mountains.

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