Is actually better.

What do you think of this version by Patti Smith?

I know that i still think that drum entry by Dave Grohl is one of the biggest punches in the face in rock history.

Once "Teen Spirit" broke, all they played was Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Hole, Mudhoney, Stone Temple Pilots, Temple of the Dog...

There was no alternative to the "alternative."

Had it not been for promotions by MTV, Nirvana and the rest of these "grunge" (I call them "sludge&quot bands would have stayed local, at best.

Only a small handful of bands have ever broken out of local popularity without heavy promotion by the industry.

It does suck. I live in Seattle and I approve of this message.

No talent hacks.

My contender for worst is the Steve Miller Band.

talent.

I think "Come As You Are" is an amazing song, and probably their best. If it helps, no one in the early 90's Seattle music scene was trying to establish a new genre of music; neither 'alternative' nor 'grunge'. (Most of them hated the term 'grunge', anyway.) They considered themselves punk bands.

None of those "grunge" bands sounded anything like punk.

"Grunge" was nothing but hard rock / heavy metal without the spandex and hairspray!

I wonder where on earth they got their ideas about punk?

and social (and musical, come to think of it.)

It was loud, aggressive, and unpretentious.

I wouldn't characterize the music as being metal. Metal usually fronted a sort of Gothic, Germanic theme, and often required a great deal of musical virtuosity. Grunge musicians didn't really care for virtuosity; showing off on the instrument. They just wanted their music to be a sonic assault, like a blunt instrument, so to speak.

And, I totally agree that it was loud, aggressive and unpretentious (although the way some of the singers sang seemed a little pretentious at times *cough* Pearl Jam *cough*) - and had those elements in common with punk.

I guess I just see punk as being three-chord 2 & 1/2 minute (max) tightly packed packages like little sticks of dynamite, rather than the sprawling epics that so much of "grunge" was.

punk bands.

Prententious, unpretentious, or whatever, I will say that many of the songs on Pearl Jam's 10 have a highly sophisticated musical structure. I have two music teachers in the family, and they taught me to listen critically. (Which I guess means at a higher level than "this sucks"or "this doesn't suck.&quot

And, I find Vedder's vocals unbearably pretentious.

But, I have friends, close friends that I otherwise admire, who like Pearl Jam, so it's cool.

I can overlook that personal failing, I have my own that they put up with!

My brother has a business relationship with Eddie Vedder. I've never met the man myself, but my brother tells me he is a thoroughly decent guy, fun to be around, and a staunch liberal.

Nothing to do with liking talent or not on my part...i just liked them. Liked Alice in Chains back then too. Never cared much for their compadres Soundgarden or Pearl Jam though.

I don't know who... But somebody better get off my lawn.

Love me some Foo Fighters and i think he is really talented. If you haven't seen Skin and Bones performance with orchestration, it is fun and fantastic. I did a search and it is on the youtuber.

Peace

and that title....jeez

Beginning with "Hot For Teacher," Van Halen.