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roscoeroscoe

(1,370 posts)
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 01:11 PM Oct 2016

Just finished my Master's thesis on the Outer Space Treaty, ask me anything!

I have really enjoyed writing on the topic and going through all my other classes: space medicine, orbits, national space programs. I'm a big fan of the ISRO. I strongly believe we will see a new space age over the next few years.

Very happy to see Secretary Clinton is a big NASA supporter. Finally, we can have two administrations in a row that keep NASA on the same path!

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Just finished my Master's thesis on the Outer Space Treaty, ask me anything! (Original Post) roscoeroscoe Oct 2016 OP
Do you like puppies? shenmue Oct 2016 #1
Yes! roscoeroscoe Oct 2016 #3
I would try a local rescue shenmue Oct 2016 #9
He probably just likes space puppies. FSogol Oct 2016 #5
space doggie! roscoeroscoe Oct 2016 #17
Congratulations! femmocrat Oct 2016 #2
the Indian Space Research Organization roscoeroscoe Oct 2016 #4
What should we name Planet Nine? Tikki Oct 2016 #6
I like Aenar too roscoeroscoe Oct 2016 #7
Yes...perfect :) Tikki Oct 2016 #8
One of the best friends I ever had (past tense) is from India. souledout2JC Oct 2016 #13
Excellent! Congrats! Can I be Hegemon? Solly Mack Oct 2016 #10
I now pronounce you First Hegemon of the Underground Realm! roscoeroscoe Oct 2016 #18
I was looking to make an investment GreydeeThos Oct 2016 #11
Ah no, funny but not legit roscoeroscoe Oct 2016 #19
Does the treaty allow for helium mines on Jupiter? NNadir Oct 2016 #12
Definitely roscoeroscoe Oct 2016 #20
A helium Zepplin on Jupiter won't float actually, but thanks... NNadir Oct 2016 #21
Wow, Cool!! lastlib Oct 2016 #14
No and yes, lastlib roscoeroscoe Oct 2016 #22
How long before ohnoyoudidnt Oct 2016 #15
interesting question~ roscoeroscoe Oct 2016 #23
Wherever you are is the end of the universe. hunter Oct 2016 #26
Is it okay to ask that you link it? Is it for the public to know about? ancianita Oct 2016 #16
I would really appreciate the opportunity to share the paper roscoeroscoe Oct 2016 #24
Thanks... ancianita Oct 2016 #25

roscoeroscoe

(1,370 posts)
3. Yes!
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 01:50 PM
Oct 2016

We're trying to adopt a small dog. Our Tibetan Terrier passed away after 18 years and my wife and I have been trying to move on... just haven't found the right rescue doggie. Know of any 6-8 lb. doggies that need a loving home?

roscoeroscoe

(1,370 posts)
4. the Indian Space Research Organization
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 01:58 PM
Oct 2016

They have an amazing history. If you like I could send you a paper I did on their history and current plans. The ISRO was involved in space from the early years of the space age on; they are a major provider of launch services, have sent missions to the Moon and Mars, and are working slowly but surely on a manned space program and a 'space shuttle' type re-usable space craft.

The Chandrayaan mission to the Moon was an important scientific success; they announced the discovery of large lava tubes near the surface that could serve as living space if sealed up and filled with atmosphere.

Amazing success to reach Mars on the first attempt, both the U.S. and USSR needed more than one try to send a successful mission to the red planet.

roscoeroscoe

(1,370 posts)
7. I like Aenar too
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 02:51 PM
Oct 2016

It would be nice to see a name from one of the other systems of gods and goddesses around the world, like Hina from the Polynesians. Maybe a Norse god? But if we stick with the Roman types, how about Abeona, goddess of outward journeys?

 

souledout2JC

(19 posts)
13. One of the best friends I ever had (past tense) is from India.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 08:01 PM
Oct 2016

Call it "Land of Arranged Marriages In the 21st Century Even Though We Should Know Better By Now"

roscoeroscoe

(1,370 posts)
20. Definitely
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 06:09 AM
Oct 2016

Article I says in part: ”Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, shall be free for exploration and use by all States without discrimination of any kind, on a basis of equality and in accordance with international law, and there shall be free access to all areas of celestial bodies…” Article II then explicitly says, “Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means.” Article VI stated that:
"State Parties to the Treaty shall bear international responsibility for national activities in outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, whether such activities are carried on by governmental agencies or by non-governmental entities, and for assuring that national activities are carried out in conformity with the provisions set forth in the present Treaty. The activities of non-governmental entities in outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, shall require authorization and continuing supervision by the appropriate State Party to the Treaty."

So your giant zeppelin can roam the skies of Jupiter, scooping up helium to mine for H^3 to power the nano factories of Callisto... However you can't claim Jupiter for your own fiefdom. You will have to compete with the other busy scoop zeppelins. You should probably equip your helium zeppelin with big frickin' laser beams to shoot them down!

NNadir

(33,561 posts)
21. A helium Zepplin on Jupiter won't float actually, but thanks...
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 06:20 AM
Oct 2016

It's a silly little fantasy I've had, but I'm pretty sure it's just that, a fantasy.

One of the the little known things going on on this planet is that our supply of helium, an important element in many areas of technology, is rapidly being depleted. There was a major discovery, I believe, in Africa, but it just postpones the inevitable.

In the solar system, both Jupiter and Saturn are the largest sources of this gas. Any helium released on Earth boils ultimately off into space because, as the Maxwell-Boltzman distribution predicts, a good fraction of the atoms are exceeding the escape velocity. Not so on Jupiter. Jupiter's escape velocity is much higher, which is problematic for any robotic (or other) craft trying to leave its atmosphere.

I don't know how I feel about space mining, to be honest, but actually I doubt that it's physically feasible.

Thanks again for your answer, and congratulations on your degree.

lastlib

(23,309 posts)
14. Wow, Cool!!
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 10:39 PM
Oct 2016

I Tried to study it in law school, but never had enough time for it.

A question for you--Can Corporations assert property rights on the moon? So If ABC Corp. was able to get to the moon, could they claim, say, all the minerals they can mine or dig up as their own property that they could sell or use in their own benefit?

roscoeroscoe

(1,370 posts)
22. No and yes, lastlib
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 06:22 AM
Oct 2016

Neither a nation or a corporation operating under national supervision (Like Shackleton Energy or Lunar Express) can claim title or ownership of the land, but the have the right to operate on the Moon without interference, and own whatever they mine and can do whatever they wish with the materials they accumulate or process.

Shackleton is going forward with plans to 'mine' ice on the Moon and make it available as reaction mass or fuel. They plan to re-fuel satellites so they can maintain station longer. Helium 3 or H^3 could be extracted from the lunar surface and, if fusion power becomes useful, could supply tremendous amounts of electricity. One space shuttle load of H^3 could power the U.S. for months. It is said that the Chinese are very interested in the H^3 supply on the Moon.

roscoeroscoe

(1,370 posts)
23. interesting question~
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 06:24 AM
Oct 2016

Given the expanding universe concept, I think your most difficult task would be to catch up with it!

I hear they have great sliders, but always remember, bring a towel!

hunter

(38,328 posts)
26. Wherever you are is the end of the universe.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 12:26 PM
Oct 2016

Everything you observe happened in the past and it all conspired to bring you to this moment.

The last restaurant I visited served Indian food, which seems about right.

roscoeroscoe

(1,370 posts)
24. I would really appreciate the opportunity to share the paper
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 06:29 AM
Oct 2016

Let me link to the paper after it is approved. I hope to write up a short article summing up the main points as well.

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