Socialist Progressives
Related: About this forumMichael Parenti
He's passionate, compassionate, easy to understand and has a good sense of humor. Thought I'd start a thread with some videos of him for those who are interested in getting points to discuss with others offline. He's been on Democracy Now! and a number of other venues.
January-6-2012-Democracy and the Pathology of Wealth
freshwest
(53,661 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)NAO
(3,425 posts)his books are very easy to read and his ideas are intensely radical and they make sense of the "big picture".
I recommend "The Money Power", "Against Empire", and "Hidden Truths" are excellent. If you really want your mind blown, read "Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism"
Some of his writings are available free on his website: http://www.michaelparenti.org/
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)"Class" is a concept that is strenuously avoided by both mainstream writers and many on the Left. When certain words are eliminated from public discourse, so are certain thoughts. Dissident ideas become all the more difficult to express when there are no words to express them. "Class" is usually dismissed as an outworn Marxist notion with no relevance to contemporary society. It is a five-letter word that is treated like a dirty four-letter one.
With the C-word out of the way, it is then easy to dispose of other politically unacceptable concepts such as class privilege, class power, class exploitation, class interest, and class struggle. These too are judged no longer relevant, if ever they were, in a society that supposedly consists of the fluid pluralistic interplay of diverse groups.
The Class Denial of Class
Those who occupy the higher circles of wealth and power are keenly aware of their own interests. While they sometimes seriously differ among themselves on specific issues, they exhibit an impressive cohesion when it comes to protecting the existing class system of corporate power, property, privilege, and profit.
At the same time, they are careful to discourage public awareness of the class power they wield. They avoid the C-word, especially when used in reference to themselves as in "owning class," "upper class," or "moneyed class." And they like it least when the politically active elements of the owning class are called the "ruling class."
The ruling class in this country has labored long to leave the impression that it does not exist, does not own the lion's share of just about everything, and does not exercise a vastly disproportionate influence over the affairs of the nation. Such precautions are themselves symptomatic of an acute awareness of class interests.
More more more at the link. So good. Thank you for the thread, freshwest.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)laboring long to leave the impression that it doesn't exist, ties into another post in GD that I've been thinking about tonight. The one about southerners thinking that "liberals" think of themselves as elite and look down their noses at them.
My thoughts on this were that there are "elites" like the redneck group thinks of and then there are the REAL elites, the owners, that nobody thinks of because they're not in the public eye very much. The stereotype of the academic, latte, liberal is there because they are the ones that these poor white rednecks actually see at times. Usually on Faux Noise. But the REAL elites are never seen by any of us proles.
When I think of "elites" I don't think of the academic liberal. That's not elite, not even if they THINK they're one of the elite. The real elites are the ones that try to OWN the rest of us.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I live in Silicon Valley, which is heavy with overbearingly wealthy people. People out here seem to consider them slightly upscale neighbors. They will bash on Mitt Romney, but ignore the fact that our deficit here in CA could be fixed with higher taxes on 85 people who certainly don't consider the rest of us their "neighbors". I guess it just takes a massive amount of cognitive dissonance to exist with the enforced income disparity in the US.
I could be wrong though. The proposed initiative The Millionaires tax had an approval rating up in the 60% range last I checked.
There are some latte liberals that can be henchmen for capitalism, so I can kind of sympathize with the rednecks. I had a boss who was a Kucininch fan who was one of the worst people I ever worked for.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)Kucinich doesn't strike me as latte liberal, he seems closer to a social-democrat. He isn't a Marxist, but he does seem to be on the side of the working class or at least wants to be, but really doesn't know how to be or maybe I'm just being tricked...
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)The boss talked a good game, is what I meant. He would hold up his support for K and how he was down with the workers and then do bad anti-worker things. I could write a book. He was eventually forced to resign when it was found that he'd basically embezzled his salary and a consultant fee for his wife and done absolutely none of his job of raising money for the organization. He was good at being shitty to the rest of us who worked there though. Whenever I hear/read latte liberal, I think of him.
This shouldn't take away from socialist_n_TN's point that most of them are just guard dogs for the big ruling class. They are annoying, but aren't the main threat. I just have a mental tic about some progressives-in-name-only folks.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)and I agree with you that a lot of times they don't relate well to the actual/traditional working class. And there are some with an "elitist" attitude. But as I said, I don't really consider them "elite". Most of them are just working class with easier and possibly more prestigeous jobs. If they REALLY think they're "elite", they're just fooling themselves.
As to "liberals" in general, I think that SDS summed it up pretty well in the Sixties. The fascists will shoot you. The conservatives will cheer them on. The moderates will watch your execution on TV. And the liberals will cry over your grave. In the dark after they've turned you in to the fascists. Or something like that. I don't trust them very far. When it comes to a choice between the current system and starting anew, they will INEVITABLY choose the current system.