Socialist Progressives
Related: About this forumWhat do y'all think? Is this the modern day equivalent...........
to a worker's militia? Or is it a gang of "thugs"?
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120429/NEWS08/304290095/Pro-Chavez-gangs-allowed-rule-turf-Venezuela?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|News Nation & World
saras
(6,670 posts)Fantatically one-sided article, though. It's hard to tell anything from it
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)Ain't that the truth. The one-sidedness of the article is what pointed me towards my question though. Worker's militias are usually considered "gangs of thugs" by the capitalist owners.
And yes, you've definitely got to read between the lines to get anything out of it.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)First, label them as gangs, despite their attempts to bring law and order where the police don't go.
Second, tie them to Chavez, despite his criticism of the groups.
Third, accuse them of crimes they might commit...
These illegally armed groups could at some point use those weapons to commit crimes or to destabilize any government, said Luis Izquiel, who leads a security committee for the opposition.
I believe the US counterpart is known as "The Guardian Angels".
I'm not defending these groups, just pointing out the article's bias.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)but then again, it's a bourgeois newspaper using a bourgeois news service. I EXPECTED bias, but you can read between the lines, hence my question about the "gangs".
The reason I got into thinking that this MIGHT be considered worker's militia is because "thugs" was what the Bolshevik worker's militia in the various cities was called by the Kadets and other centrist parties in Russia of 1917. Well, that and the fact that they seem to BE the only effective policing these poor areas in Venuezuela have. And as a leader, Chavez would probably have to call them on some things even if they support him. They are, after all, ad hoc bodies (usually) and probably rather loosely led.
It would be interesting to research them more deeply.
TBF
(32,062 posts)and the workers need all the help they can get. Others are already jockeying for power in Venezuela.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)is all about. They are, ideally, supposed to provide police type protection for the workers and the poor, along with defense against fascists and reactionaries. We actually need to start organizing them here ASAP.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)They got some bad press a few months ago for a photo "arming children", but the Socialist paper Aporrea published their statement correcting this: it was a playacting skit.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aporrea.org%2Factualidad%2Fn197885.html&act=url
To the capitalist press, anyone or anything that threatens teh "free markets" is a "thug". At least they haven't shot anyone in the face point-blank with tear-gas canisters and "bean-bag" bullets.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)is what got me to thinking about the comparison to a worker's militia. As a "fundamentalist" Bolshevik, I think that worker's militias are needed and I KNOW that they will be characterized as "thugs" and "gangs" by the capitalist press. The original worker's militias in Russia was characterized the same way by the Kadets and even some of the Mensheviks.
Thanks for the resources Starry. The article, as biased as it was, made me want to research them further.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I don't know that much about Venezuela. An artist friend of mine went on a fact-finding tour there when the revolution had just gotten started and had great reports about what was going on.
The author of the article in the OP seems to focus on cranky-pants articles on Chavez and Venezuela: http://www.salon.com/writer/fabiola_sanchez/
ret5hd
(20,491 posts)that is an "8 sentences in 4 paragraphs" diatribe ( yeah, i counted). It is no more than propaganda, and a ham- fisted piece of that.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)it did enlighten me about the fact that there does seem to be something akin to a worker's militia organized in Venezuela. It made me curious about it.
With propaganda from the capitalist press, you have to read between the lines.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)Honestly though, I can't really give much of opinion on this group because aside from the article I don't know anything about them and opinions made from ignorance are worse than useless. If anyone can recommend any better sources on this group I'd be interested in reading them.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/in-venezuela-armed-groups-that-pledge-allegiance-to-hugo-chavez-rule-over-slum-fiefdoms/2012/04/28/gIQAQNWMnT_story.html
Still not judging without more information but this version was a little more in depth.
Also some interesting photos there.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)that there was a lot of religious imagery involved with this group. Maybe an offshoot of the "Liberation Theology" of the 60s/70s?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)They are not doing a good job of protecting the people as a 'militia' might be employed by the residents, if this is true. Why would a militia enforcing access to the neighborhood be a plus if crime is still high?
Possibly the existence of such an armed militia or their support for Chavez is causing the neigbhorhood to be classifed as violent, especially if gun ownership and such associations are illegal.
When RW militias operated at large estates or behind gates in Latin America, their actions were not up for press scrutiny. Weren't they purveyors of violence, but with the umbrella of property to shield their acts?
This group is controlling a small area, not a large estate or compound.The day-to-day life of the people in the neigbhorhood would be the indicator of what this group would be working to achieve.
This may be sensationalism to smear Chavez. I support social justice for the unlanded poor in Venezuela and standing up to foreign interests to make them pay a fair price for resources. But I don't know any Latinos who like him, they regard him as a crook and terrorist.
I don't really know the facts on the ground, or if this is a good thing or not, but it sounds like gangs or mafia activity controlling an area.