Socialist Progressives
Related: About this forumGreek protests enter menacing phase
http://mg.co.za/article/2012-09-16-greek-protests-enter-menacing-phase<snip>
While politicians were fixated on Germany's constitutional court ratifying the eurozone bailout mechanism and the general elections in Holland last week, Greece's three-party coalition was locked in fraught negotiations over a new 12.5bn austerity package. The cuts in disability benefits, ordered by debt inspectors from the "troika" of lenders at the EU, ECB and IMF, threw into sharp relief the tough process that the weakest member of the eurozone is being forced to suffer.
For the first time in living memory, military personnel took to the streets alongside police officers, fire brigade officials, teachers and doctors as Greeks vowed to resist further pay and pension cuts that have already led to plummeting living standards.
This week, before a general strike scheduled for September 26the 17th this yearjudges will walk off the job, shaking one of the central pillars of Greek society.
Nearly three years into the debt crisis, the mood among Greeks has shifted from one of bewilderment and shock, borne of seeing their seemingly robust economy collapse almost overnight, to fury and fear as poverty and panic spread.
Increasingly, ordinary people are speaking of "blood being spilled" and even "civil war". After the hiatus of a long summer, there are few who doubt that Greece is about to enter an autumn of mass discontent as the endless efforts to keep bankruptcy at bay move into a menacing new phase.
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HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)the results are starting to seem the same.
tama
(9,137 posts)Greeks are not blockaded but occupied by Troika and banksters and their "own" government. The article was good news, in Greece police, army and judges are starting to switch side from occupying force to resistance.
There are lots of good news from Greece (that corporate media is not paying much attention to), people are rebuilding their society from bottom and abandoning the "government", there is immense amount of solidarity, responsible activism and creativity bursting. Like in Argentina.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Shifting the judges.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)it appears to be reporting facts w/o trying to make some winger point:
But the Greek government, in order to cut public expenses and to bring the nations fiscal situation back to order, plans to cut the salary of those magistrates and prosecutors by 25 percent. Stournaras met with the association and tried to persuade the members to accept pay cuts. But after already seeing their salaries reduced by almost 38 percent since the beginning of Greece's recent financial woes, the Association of Magistrates and Prosecutors voted unanimously to reject the governments proposal and instead the members voted to begin a partial strike beginning on September 17 and lasting five days.
Already these officials work only five hours a day from 10:00 in the morning to 3:00 in the afternoon but under the partial strike the magistrates and prosecutors will work only one hour a day, and only cases nearing the statute of limitations will be heard. This slowdown hits a Greek judicial system in which it sometimes takes 10 years for a case to come to trial.
The Association of Magistrates and Prosecutors will meet again on September 22 to determine whether or not to continue this partial strike...
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/12890-greek-judges-and-prosecutors-strike
so accepting the 25% cut would mean their salaries have been cut in half since the fiscal crisis began. that's big for the upper middle classes. i don't see how they could hold support together if even the top 20% are getting hit so hard.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Little wonder they're in a fighting mood. I think there is a line in the manifesto about the petty bourgeois sometimes acting in a revolutionary way...a draconian haircut like that would probably do it.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)All smoke and mirrors lies and deceipt.
tama
(9,137 posts)What else is money but smoke and mirrors lies and deceipt?
TBF
(32,067 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)The bankers told them how to rig the books so's they could get in the Euro. It was being in the Euro which allowed them such large loans in the form of bonds ans subsequent bailouts. So - the bankers had helped themselves. Over the years Greece has obviously benefited but now they're paying the price for money spent earlier.
BOG PERSON
(2,916 posts)ooOOOoooOOOOoooOO
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)No revolution has ever succeeded without support of the military, or at least the lower level military, the EMs and NCOs and lower ranking officers.
This IS an extremely volitile situation though. Just because there's growing sentiment among the general population for revolution doesn't mean that that revolution will be socialist. There are two other options, the fascists and some sort of military strongman coup. Or even a junta of higher ranking military officers. But things are coming to a head and it does bear watching.
TBF
(32,067 posts)the military has to turn and there is too much interest in fascism.
BOG PERSON
(2,916 posts)by looking at who creates surplus value and who *appropriates* it . at the end of the day, i don't think judges and cops are going side with revolutionaries.
i think whether or not the military will be sympathetic to communist revolution depends on whether they are conscripted forces (because they're more democratic than volunteer ones) and on how successful communists have been at reaching out to them.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I haven't looked at the KKE piece to see if there has been reaching out to the judges and cops. I did find this article, which suggests indirectly (to me at least) that the reaction of the judges might be from the racist overstepping of the Golden Dawn:
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Justice Minister Antonis Roupakiotis threatened tougher punishment for ethnic crimes, with sentences of over three years in jail for those who attack migrant workers.
The public order ministry also said it would no longer provide police guards for MPs from the far-right Golden Dawn party, which is seen by many as a key factor contributing to the climate of xenophobia in Greece.
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On 7 September, a group of several dozen flag-waving Golden Dawn supporters clad in black T-shirts raided a street market in Rafina, northeast of Athens. A video clip posted online showed them checking migrants' papers and overturning their stalls, leaving merchandise strewn on the ground.
It also featured a Golden Dawn MP saying he had to step in where the police had failed in order to drive out "illegal vendors".
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I'll try to follow things more closely until the General Strike on the 26th.