60 for the Senate & 1 for the White House.

If not, I'll do it later.

Thanks! Great post!

well some of us do and you just confirmed it.

The main achievement has been State agreements assuring US companies/employers they can establish themselves in the country utilizing that country's lax regulation and oversight, and cheap labor, sell product to all parties without tariffs and fees, and be guaranteed company will not be nationalized by the host country.

Of course, a profitable enterprise has additional ways to keep the local political class happy, so even in more socialist-leaning countries the elites are almost immune to having their company interfered with by the host government.

Why do I fucking vote for them? Oh yea the other guys are worse, much more worse, so much more worse.



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in the Democratic Party, where we could still make a difference.

for the "salivater's" yes - for workers in countries outside the US it means almost working for free - for US workers the chance to continue to buy goods at low prices - the whole time not realizing that GDP is comprised of 60+% consumer spending and that that # is perpetuated by cheap goods - not rising incomes - so they never progress...

the BOG will see it.........thanks for the head's up.

from what I've read on DU.

are confirming what we've already suspected. There's only one reason people keep something secret - because they want to hide it. Ask yourself why.

what sort of "Democrat" with mounting political aspirations would be FOR such an Anti-America agreement???

It's the present Democratic president who is driving the bus off the mountain on this one, with the collusion of all the 1%ers in congress, regardless of what tag they wear.

She needs to put on that gold boot in the foreground and kick some more ass.

and stay far away from small planes.

She should tell us what is in the secret agreements, if she knows. We don't get a vote or referendum on actions such as these?

Very little has been released. We should be having open hearings on TPP. We know what NAFTA has done to the country and we need to know what TPP is going to do.

"help" with the war effort in Afghanistan.

This approval happened at the same moment in history when millions of people here were losing their homes and were jobless.

Secretary of State Clinton was absolutely orgasmic over the news that her war buddies at DoD were gonna get more money.

I will never vote for this woman, ever. If my life depended on it, I would be "thumbs down."

It is bad enough her husband signed off on Glass Steagal's elimination, and that act cooked the economy and made this nation a nation of paupers. And he gets mucho hundreds of thousands of dollars per speech and also is the manager of "Charity monies" to thank him for destroying the middle class, as payback for what he did for his masters.

By the way, I don't consider myself to be a socialist, but I most likely would not vote for Hillary. The Republicans would have to nominate Hitler before I would vote for Hillary. I don't think she could win. I think Republicans could turn her own and Bill's records against her to the extent that it would split or disillusion the Democratic Party. She is not a good choice for 2016.

The same is true for Jeb Bush. He enabled GWB to become president with his purging of the voter rolls and tricks. He will be called to task for every wrong that GWB did.

Jeb Bush and Hillary should retire into history. It would be best for the country and best for them.

Bill Clinton was loved when he was president. But if you start looking into his performance from the advantage of hindsight, there is much to criticize. Hillary would suffer from that along with her own problems. $2000 for one speech on Wall Street. That's about 13 years' income at the federal minimum wage. That would turn a lot of people off.

The internet was not yet fully deployed with truthful insight into what was really going on.

I mean, I totally loved Bill Clinton and it was only as more internet venues were up and running in the early Two thousand "aughts" that a person could chart out what Bill Clinton was really and truly up to. As that happened, I realized he had scammed us believers.

Even she, a member of the Senate, is not allowed to see the work in progress.

That is what is so shameful about Obama's carrying on with these negotiations. Why not ask the people whether we want this agreement which will override our laws and mean even fewer jobs and less industry in our country.

I oppose this agreement sight unseen because if the details are to horrible for me to see, I don't need to see it to know I don't want it.

She can't tell us more because they won't tell her more. Do we even have a right to know about the details?

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Are we a government by the people?

Our Constitution begins with the words, "We the people, in order to form a more perfect union . . . " The entire government exists because we the people formed it and own it. What right have they to spend months, perhaps years, negotiating a trade agreement of which they are so ashamed that they cannot let us know the details.

Depends on who you talk to. I think we have the right to know the details about the trade agreement our government is negotiating in secret and behind our backs. If this were the very initial stages of negotiation, I could understand the secrecy.

But they have been negotiating for months and years. They treat us like subjects not like participating citizens.

In this oligarchy that calls itself a democracy? I guess we'll find out.