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TBF

(32,070 posts)
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:37 AM Jul 2014

How the US can legally kill its citizens -

Here’s How it is Legal for the Government to Kill an American Citizen
By: Peter Van Buren Monday July 7, 2014 8:27 am

When you are saying something true, pure, clean and right, you often do not need many words. Like most of the Bill of Rights, the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution is beautiful in its brevity. Americans may not “…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” There are no footnotes in the Fifth Amendment, no secret memos, no exceptions. Those things were unnecessary, because in what Lincoln offered to his audience as “a government of the people, by the people, for the people,” the government was made up of us, the purpose of government was to serve us, and the government was beholden to us. Such a government should be incapable of killing its own citizens without an open, public trial allowing the accused to defend him/herself.

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On September 30, 2011 a U.S. drone fired a missile in Yemen and killed American Citizen Anwar al Awlaki, born in the United States. A few days later the U.S. also killed al Awlaki’s 16 year old American Citizen son. Al Awlaki had once been a friend of the American military, invited in the aftermath of 9/11 to speak and lunch at the Pentagon. A few years later, al Awlaki was connected by the same U.S. government to al Qaeda, apparently mostly as a propagandist who may or may not have taken on an online role in persuading other Westerners to join the cause.

In 2012 Attorney General Holder said of the al Awlaki killing and the Fifth Amendment “that a careful and thorough executive branch review of the facts in a case amounts to ‘due process’ and that the Constitution’s Fifth Amendment protection against depriving a citizen of his or her life without due process of law does not mandate a ‘judicial process.’” It was unknown at the time, but Holder was referring to a secret white paper prepared by the Office of the Legal Counsel laying out the legal justification for the U.S. government to kill one of its own citizens extrajudicially, in apparent violation of the Fifth Amendment ...

much more here: http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/07/07/heres-how-it-is-legal-for-the-government-to-kill-an-american-citizen/

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How the US can legally kill its citizens - (Original Post) TBF Jul 2014 OP
The DOJ's argument is bullshit. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #1
yeah.. it's so beyond bullshit 2banon Jul 2014 #2
150 years ago today, rogerashton Jul 2014 #3
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
1. The DOJ's argument is bullshit.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jul 2014

al Awlaki and his son were not afforded legal counsel, were not given the opportunity to confront and cross examine witnesses against them, were not provided the opportunity to present a defense to the charges, and were not afforded the right to have the prosecution prove their case before a jury. This was a case of outright murder, sanctioned and committed by the Executive Branch of the govt.
IMO, this and several other actions by the Executive Branch quite probably rises to the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors", though it doesn't appear Congress is interested in investigating, preferring to persue the PWB angle.

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
3. 150 years ago today,
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 04:26 PM
Jul 2014

Sherman's troops were marching toward Atlanta killing American citizens in considerable number, without the least due process. Of course, Sherman's troops were also American citizens, and those other American citizens were killing Sherman's troops whenever they could.

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