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Mira

(22,380 posts)
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:13 PM Dec 2014

My adopted German sister has guts. Here are some of her photos to show it.

She is in her sixties and joined a tour group that went from Germany to Samarkand / Uzbekistan / Turkmenistan / and parts of China in a bus. That bus was also a rolling “Hotel” where the people slept in stacked bins layered three high in the back of the vehicle, and sat in the front during the day as they rolled on…

The bus was parked at night in guarded / fenced yards of hotels and the driver cooked for them in a kitchen area in the very back of the bus.
All this made it a very inexpensive way to travel.

I downloaded her photos in August from a little point and shoot when she came back after we got together when I was in Germany because of my Mom’s illness.
Today I poked through them to make her a surprise calendar for next year with her own photos.

Some of them are precious to me. They speak of her guts, the wide awesome beauty of a different world out there and things we don’t ever get to see up close.
So here are a few for you. Hope you find them interesting.
Let’s start with showing you the bus. after that the photos speak. I can’t - I did not take them.

























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My adopted German sister has guts. Here are some of her photos to show it. (Original Post) Mira Dec 2014 OP
More guts than I have! Solly Mack Dec 2014 #1
Quite an adventure! bluedigger Dec 2014 #2
The bathroom was just for Mira Dec 2014 #3
I've used plenty of 'bombsight' style crappers in my life, but that is one of the most rustic ones MADem Dec 2014 #18
VERY COOL!!! elleng Dec 2014 #4
Extraordinary! Thank you so much for sharing. Scuba Dec 2014 #5
Did she say where that mosque was? dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #6
Possibly a building at the Topkapi Sarayi (palace) in Istanbul Divernan Dec 2014 #10
Incredible photos, Mira! Adsos Letter Dec 2014 #7
The other side of the bus. ErikJ Dec 2014 #8
These are great! Funny. Mira Dec 2014 #12
O. M. G. Hilarity ensued!! nt MADem Dec 2014 #19
Having just done a month long trip through the 'stans dhol82 Dec 2014 #9
OH MY! I'm so impressed Mira Dec 2014 #11
There is no way dhol82 Dec 2014 #21
Cool photos! mnhtnbb Dec 2014 #13
That's what the hook in the wall is for....I kid you not! MADem Dec 2014 #20
Sadly dhol82 Dec 2014 #22
Pants around the neck will work, too--only empty the pockets, first! MADem Dec 2014 #24
I just roll up the pant legs dhol82 Dec 2014 #26
I bow to your skills! With balancing talents like that, the Flying Wallendas would have MADem Dec 2014 #27
I am literally LOL at the descriptions here mnhtnbb Dec 2014 #34
Yeah, and then dhol82 Dec 2014 #39
Splash back is a real issue. Some have a sponge on a stick in brine or alfredo Dec 2014 #23
Neat, neat, neat, neat, neat! Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #14
What memories! babylonsister Dec 2014 #15
Honestly Mira Dec 2014 #16
You got me interested in those things, so I did a little googling.... MADem Dec 2014 #29
This is a promo shot of one of their fancier vehicles. I know this because in Mira Dec 2014 #33
Thank you Celebration Dec 2014 #17
Fantastic trip...Need info Bohemianwriter Dec 2014 #25
I will try to get you the information. Mira Dec 2014 #28
check this: I also found the website and a little more Mira Dec 2014 #31
They have a website, I'd start there.... MADem Dec 2014 #30
I realized all you are saying once I found their site Mira Dec 2014 #32
Apparently the drivers are also full service heavy duty mechanics. MADem Dec 2014 #36
All I can think of is Curmudgeoness Dec 2014 #35
There's a crapper in the bus--you have to share it with your fellow passengers, of course...! MADem Dec 2014 #37
Wow, thanks for sharing these amazing photos! I would LOVE to do this, but I am secondwind Dec 2014 #38
She is braver than I am CC Dec 2014 #40
#9, the young man on the horse onethatcares Dec 2014 #41
Wowsa! Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2014 #42
Oh my gosh! Elfin Yeti Dec 2014 #43

Mira

(22,380 posts)
3. The bathroom was just for
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:31 PM
Dec 2014

your personal amusement to add flavor.
Amazing trip she took. I would not be able to do it. And I'm pretty tough.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. I've used plenty of 'bombsight' style crappers in my life, but that is one of the most rustic ones
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:12 PM
Dec 2014

I've ever seen! The use of wood is a rather unique touch--the ones I've patronized usually had concrete or tiled floors!

I was especially amused by the wooden "foot pads." Hey, ya gotta line everything up if you want those things to work!!!

Your sister has a great eye--love her photos!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
6. Did she say where that mosque was?
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:45 PM
Dec 2014

I have seen it before in some travel site but cannot remember where.

Bravo for your sister.
and thanks for sharing!

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
10. Possibly a building at the Topkapi Sarayi (palace) in Istanbul
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:09 PM
Dec 2014

I took photos of similar blue and white tile work/patterns - in/on several of the buildings there, i.e., the Imperial Harem and the Circumcision Room (ouch!) - not a mosque - and the map indicates their travels took them to Istanbul. In any case, what glorious, fantastic photos!

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
7. Incredible photos, Mira!
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:56 PM
Dec 2014

Not sure I'd want to be that close quarters with folks for that long. I did it in the military, but I wasn't as set in my ways back then.

Absolutely gorgeous. Thanks for sharing them.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
8. The other side of the bus.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:10 PM
Dec 2014

I saw one of those German sleeper tour buses a few years ago in Arizona? but the beds were below the seating. Some of their tour companies have a weird sense of humor.



Mira

(22,380 posts)
12. These are great! Funny.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:27 PM
Dec 2014

On the red one you can tell that the back can open up, and that's where the driver cooks on large hot plates.
Beyond my imagination - all of it!

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
9. Having just done a month long trip through the 'stans
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:15 PM
Dec 2014

with a tour group that stayed in hotels I don't think I could have done it in a bus. The toilets alone were a challenge let alone that pit one in the photo. At least they could have had ceramic foot pads.

She definitely wanted to do an adventurous trip.

Met a Brit couple in Iran that was doing an independent tour with their camper. They had been traveling for three months already and planned on another three. Don't think I am cut out for that kind of travel.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
11. OH MY! I'm so impressed
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:25 PM
Dec 2014

that you got to do that. The photos must look familiar then to your own experiences there. She took the trip the only way she could afford to do it, and though telling me it was tough, especially the nights in the coffin like hold with a little window at her head and squirrreling out feet first, she did not complain.
Oh yes. I forget, she mentioned having to go to the bathroom at night, in the dark, and finding her sleeping place hole again was really tough.

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
21. There is no way
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 03:36 PM
Dec 2014

that I could have done the trip the way your sister did. I have claustrophobia issues and the thought of sleeping in a coffin-like space totally creeps me out.

The eastern toilets are really a trip. Ran across one at the Tajikistan border that was a pit toilet in a building with no air and no water for cleaning the area. First time that I almost threw up in a toilet. Have some other toilet stories that are hysterical. It's amazing how much trouble you can get into with them.

mnhtnbb

(31,408 posts)
13. Cool photos!
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:25 AM
Dec 2014

But you don't have to go through the 'ands/stans' to find hole in the floor toilets.
I encountered one in a train station in Italy on our way to Lake Como. At least
it did have tile surrounding it, but it was just a hole in the floor. It was not
a good day to be wearing pants.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. That's what the hook in the wall is for....I kid you not!
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:19 PM
Dec 2014

It's not uncommon for people who don't want to mess up their clothing, be they trousers, thobe, abaya, what-have-you, to selectively disrobe to keep those items safe from any, er, splashback or aim errors!

It does make the line longer, if there is one...!

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
22. Sadly
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 03:38 PM
Dec 2014

the hooks are not always there. Winding all your clothes around your middle and strapping your handbag around your neck is the only way to go.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
24. Pants around the neck will work, too--only empty the pockets, first!
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 03:49 PM
Dec 2014

I've never lost a wallet down the pan, but I know of those who have!

I've pretty much had good luck with hooks even in rudimentary facilities (pro tip--use a strong, well-sewn belt loop, don't assume the small hook will hold the pants otherwise)--of course, one could always drape the trousers over the water spigot handle if the facility has "the hose" to keep the undercarriage tidy! And there's always the doorknob/door handle!

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
26. I just roll up the pant legs
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:37 PM
Dec 2014

and then hold all the fabric together and pull the crotch part forward out of the splash zone. Then one can loop one's handbag over one's neck and nestle it in that little hammock of clothing.

Have been in many places where the doorknob looks uglier than the floor.

Oh, the joys of the eastern toilet.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. I bow to your skills! With balancing talents like that, the Flying Wallendas would have
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:43 PM
Dec 2014

done well to have you on their team!!!!

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
39. Yeah, and then
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 10:37 AM
Dec 2014

while squatting, you have to wipe and then throw out the paper. The problem arises if you are right handed and the bucket for the paper is on the left behind your shoulder. Then consider if the porcelain footpads are slippery and your quads are giving out.

Ah, the memories.

alfredo

(60,077 posts)
23. Splash back is a real issue. Some have a sponge on a stick in brine or
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 03:39 PM
Dec 2014

vinegar in the place of toilet paper.

In the story of the crucifixion Jesus was offered a sponge soaked in brine. I guess being thirsty is preferable.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
14. Neat, neat, neat, neat, neat!
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 08:57 AM
Dec 2014

I'm not sure I'd be able to do that. The images are striking. Not bad with a P&S!

babylonsister

(171,099 posts)
15. What memories!
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:25 AM
Dec 2014

And what a great gift you're making for her; my sister has done that for us in the past; priceless!

Thanks for sharing. I think I'm fairly adventurous, but would have to think about roughing it this way. I suppose if fellow travelers were fun, interesting and not prone to complaining, that would make it so much better.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
16. Honestly
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:38 AM
Dec 2014

since I have the rest of the photos - which includes portraits of the fellow travelers - they do in general look like folks who would be fascinating to get to know, but not lie next to at night like a fellow sardine.
The calendar will be a complete surprise. I have made them for her for years, but always with MY photos.
LOL

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. You got me interested in those things, so I did a little googling....
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:51 PM
Dec 2014

It's tight quarters, but you are separated by walls! I wouldn't want someone rolling over on me in the middle of the night, either!



More pictures here: http://www.uniqhotels.com/rotel-german-bus-hotel

Mira

(22,380 posts)
33. This is a promo shot of one of their fancier vehicles. I know this because in
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:02 PM
Dec 2014

the vehicle I showed you a picture of is VERY different for the overnights, as was described to me by the one who went in it.

Imagine a long box with a foot on your right, and a foot on your left, unless you are overweight. You crawl in it, and at the end is a little peephole air window. At your feet is the square door you kick open and through which you have to wriggle out backwards.
Imagine that in the night if you have to pee, and to your right and left are boxes like yours with people in them.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
25. Fantastic trip...Need info
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:24 PM
Dec 2014

Do you have any information on how to get on one of those and how much it cost?

I'm living in Norway, so getting to where the tour goes from wouldn't be much of an issue...

Mira

(22,380 posts)
28. I will try to get you the information.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:47 PM
Dec 2014

Will call her over the weekend, and without disclosing why, will ask her. I admire you in advance.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. They have a website, I'd start there....
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:53 PM
Dec 2014
http://www.rotel.de/

They go everywhere, apparently they've been doing this since the end of WW2--not cheap, though, but one does have to keep in mind that they go off the beaten path and they do feed you!

They even have a few tours of Iceland!

Mira

(22,380 posts)
32. I realized all you are saying once I found their site
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 06:58 PM
Dec 2014

it ALMOST makes me want to do it.
WOW - but yes, it's pretty expensive. Except it's the travel/hotel/food. Plus places you'd never get to go, like you said. My adopted sister says the driver was incredibly versed in geography and history and well able to answer questions.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
36. Apparently the drivers are also full service heavy duty mechanics.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 08:32 PM
Dec 2014

And that little "boxy" thing on top of the bus? It holds pretty much every spare part the driver would need to fix the vehicle!

They do go "off the beaten path" and that is a good bit of their appeal, I think, along with the whole "better than camping but not quite glamping" atmosphere. If you went with a crew of a few good friends I think anyone would have a fine time and make some new friends as well!

Cool ad here, with the big "rotel" towed behind the bus:



Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
35. All I can think of is
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 08:32 PM
Dec 2014

how long can I go without taking a crap? I think it would be an incredible experience to see so many places in this world, but I know that I just don't have it in me.

The photos are fantastic. I especially love the one of the boy on the horse....both boy and horse look so danged proud.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. There's a crapper in the bus--you have to share it with your fellow passengers, of course...!
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 08:38 PM
Dec 2014

But supposedly they also make frequent "accomodation" stops. http://www.coolthings.com/rotel-tours-hotel-bus/

The front of the bus comes with regular bus seats, flanked along large windows. Walk towards the rear, however, and you'll find three rows of tiny rooms, each equipped with a bed, some hanging hooks (for your bags and clothes) and a small window to peek out of. All buses only get one communal toilet and no bath, although they do arrange for stopovers to places where travelers can freshen up. Considering it's a European bus, I don't think all that bathing nonsense really matters, does it (I kid, I kid)?

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
38. Wow, thanks for sharing these amazing photos! I would LOVE to do this, but I am
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 08:31 AM
Dec 2014

not wild about sitting for long periods of time on a bus or car.... But it tells me a lot about your sister, Mira, she must be an amazing person... Again, LOVE these photos

CC

(8,039 posts)
40. She is braver than I am
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 04:55 AM
Dec 2014

but looks like a great trip. Love the photos and glad she and you shared them.

onethatcares

(16,192 posts)
41. #9, the young man on the horse
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 07:07 AM
Dec 2014

is a picture of pride.

all of them are great photos. I can't say how much I'd like to do that.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,592 posts)
42. Wowsa!
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 01:37 PM
Dec 2014

I really liked them all but the dogs on the top of the crumbling bluff is my favorite, followed by the young person on a horse and that mosaic.

Elfin Yeti

(740 posts)
43. Oh my gosh!
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:08 AM
Dec 2014

Exciting! But Mira, I'm with you - I'm pretty tough too but that would be over the top for me! Beautiful photos!

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