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flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:10 PM Jul 2019

The state of the enthusiast photographic marketplace (as I see it).

I'm typing this real time on a tablet, so forgive any typos please.

The equipment available to us has distilled down to high end pro, advanced enthusiast/hobby and specialty. Missing is the compact point n shoot that for so long made up the largest volume, and source of profit, for manufacturers which has been replaced by camera phones.

As the market sorts itself out the volume of camera sales continues to decline. In terms of unit count and $ volume sales continue to decline as does camera division profitability. Canon and Nikon still command 70% of the market with the remaining market shared by everybody else. Canon has increased it's share of this decreasing market at the expense of Nikon and the only manufacturer that saw increased unit count was Fujifilm with Sony remaining flat. All of the major players showed a loss in profits and operated in the red last year with Olympus the biggest loser just below Nikon. The Olympus numbers are skewed because of costs associated with closing a factory (for compact cameras) but that aside the numbers still look dismal. Nikon on the other hand has no fig leaf for cover. There have been quality issues and the cost of developing the new ff mirrorless line has exaserbated the profit loss. Canon shared the burden of R&D as well as introducing a fourth lens mount.

All that said the viability of the major players is not in doubt. The camera divisions are only a small part of the parent companies and are used as R&D centers for the other divisions such as medical, office equipment and scientific. However the products being offered are increasingly evpensive and sophisticated (and profitable on a per unit basis). The hobby is becoming more expensive and the equipment more complicated.

From where I'm standing the biggest opportunity for future product offerings that might appeal to a mass market must begin stealing market share from the camera phone segment. For that an entry level ICL with a user interface mimicking cell phones is the only place to increase unit sales and profitability as hobbiests outgrow the capability of phone cameras. Canon and Olympus are both doing interesting things with wireless and Bluetooth technology but a seemless user interface still eludes the enthusiast market. Panasonic, which is a consumer electronics company, may be able to leverage their other technologies to create an attractive product for that segment.

As it stands now the major players are settling into nich marketing. The movement to full frame appeals to those who need exceptional low light performance, Oly is dedicated to sports, wildlife and action still photography. Panasonic and Sony are capturing the Video market.

Unless a product can be developed that can break into the mass volume market I think the current trends will continue. Meanwhile the phone cameras continue to increase image quality and capability making that transition product all the more elusive.

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The state of the enthusiast photographic marketplace (as I see it). (Original Post) flamin lib Jul 2019 OP
I have a question matt819 Jul 2019 #1
There are a few wildlife photographers who can command suffecient sales to get by. flamin lib Jul 2019 #3
Thanks for the info. matt819 Jul 2019 #5
One more comment matt819 Jul 2019 #2
Yeah, that's the trend. flamin lib Jul 2019 #4

matt819

(10,749 posts)
1. I have a question
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:17 PM
Jul 2019

I follow a few professional wildlife photographers on Instagram. Some amateurs as well.

And since you seem to know stuff about this market, I thought I'd ask my question here.

Regarding the professionals - I love their photos. These are stupendously skilled people, and their results are awesome. So here's the question. How do these pros make their money. I haven't looked to see if they have books out. Maybe that's one way. But someone has to be paying for their journeys to the far reaches of the planet to have the opportunity to do what they do. And surely, posting on Instagram doesn't pay the bills. I really appreciate their efforts and hope that those who view their efforts gain a greater apprecation for wildlife, the environment, the planet, etc. But they have to put food on the table. So, how do they make money?

Funny-ish comment, unrelated to the above. One of the low-end professionals I follow was asked how she takes her photos - what equipment does she use. Her subjects are a bit more challenging, and so the question is not unreasonable. She said she would not provide that info as others might use that equipment and gain the opportunity to compete with her photo sales. I thought that was pretty crappy. Another photographer - an astounding wildlife photographer - was asked the same question. He answered without any hesitation. I looked up his equipment. Just that one camera body and lens came to $18,000. If I could afford that equipment, my photos would still be "snaps" compared to what a dedicated pro with vast experience could do. I suspect that the same would have been the case with the other photographer, even if the equipment was probably less expensive. But the pro was, well, a pro, and the other was something else entirely.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
3. There are a few wildlife photographers who can command suffecient sales to get by.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:51 PM
Jul 2019

For most the photography is an entre into other income streams like writing, instruction and selling tours to exotic places. I was at Featherfest last year (Galveston, TX In April for migratory bird season). There were a dozen "pros" who gave seminars, field trips and such. I spent about $300 on them. One woman organized and sold seminars to places like S America and other eco tourism destinations. For the most part they have an alternate income streams, ie a day job.

There are also a limited number of industry positions for "ambassadors", "luminaries" and the like which opens doors to YouTube channels and such.

The real key to successful wildlife photography is to know more about your subject than you do photography and sheer volume of exposures. In three days of Featherfest I made 5000 exposures and produced a dozen or so keepers. The editing is a bigger chore than shooting. One of the "pros", Tim Timmis (Google him for some of the most stunning shore bird images) wore out the shutter on his Canon three times before replacing the camera and repeating with the new one. His day job is as an engineer in the Petro chem industry.

For the most part in the dictionary under freelance is a picture of a homeless person . . .

matt819

(10,749 posts)
5. Thanks for the info.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:04 PM
Jul 2019

I assumed part of that - hadn't thought about the day job part of it. From your comment, I imagine most do it because they love it and with every 5,000 or so exposures they learn something new. Of course, all we see are the ones they choose to post.

If you're on instagram, I'd love to follow. I'll check Tim Timmis.

Thanks.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
2. One more comment
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:19 PM
Jul 2019

I was reading the most recent issue of PC Magazine online. In their tech review section they reviewed a digital camera. 150mp. $51,000. Guess that magazine is no longer targeting the general consumer use market.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
4. Yeah, that's the trend.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:02 PM
Jul 2019

FYI my website is https://ImaginativeImagery.net. My subscription has lapsed but the site is still up. I'm considering a new and better site when I get a round tuit. They're currently on backorder tho . . .

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