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Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:09 PM Jun 2017

Better Call Saul Season 3 Finale (SPOILERS)

SERIOUS SPOILERS BELOW. DON'T READ ANY MORE IF YOU'RE NOT CAUGHT UP!!


It really is becoming a phenomenal show, and this episode may have been its best.

One thing confused me, however, at the end. Did Chuck kick over the lantern purposely? When I first watched, it seemed like he was either asleep or in some kind of sleeping pill trance. In reading the recaps, however, it's being described as a suicide.

Anyone else have a similar reaction?

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Better Call Saul Season 3 Finale (SPOILERS) (Original Post) Bleacher Creature Jun 2017 OP
I think it was intentional. Obviously Chuck has gone off the deep end. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #1
Yeah, I thought it was a deliberate act by Chuck as well True Dough Jun 2017 #2
My impression was that it was intentional. GeorgeGist Jun 2017 #3
I'm convinced it was intentional lunamagica Jun 2017 #4
On rewatch, Skyler improves significantly. politicat Jun 2017 #5
Oh, wow, this is a really profound analysis! lunamagica Jun 2017 #8
I really hope he learned from writing Skylar's character. Bleacher Creature Jun 2017 #6
Yes, I remember when that article came out. lunamagica Jun 2017 #9
Great show---but what a downer of a final episode. Paladin Jun 2017 #7
Better Call Saul Season 4 confirmed... PoiBoy Jun 2017 #10
Great catch! Bleacher Creature Jun 2017 #11

True Dough

(17,305 posts)
2. Yeah, I thought it was a deliberate act by Chuck as well
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:18 PM
Jun 2017

He descended into madness and destroyed his home while obsessed about the power source, not to mention all his other troubles with HHM sending him packing and his hostility toward Jimmy.

What saddens me most is that Better Call Saul's ratings ranged between mediocre and bad all season. The fourth season has not yet been ordered by AMC. I would be very disappointed if they don't proceed with it. It's such a shame more people aren't transfixed by this show, but I guess it's partly a reflection of our short-attention span society that needs a lot of flash-bang style of entertainment.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
4. I'm convinced it was intentional
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 06:08 PM
Jun 2017

He was awake and deliberately hitting the table. He cancelled the shrink. He destroyed his house. His whole life and identity was HHM. Without it, he had nothing to live for.

It is a wonderful show. I'm particularly happy about Kim. I'd be wondering if Vince Gilligan and Co. didn't like writing female characters, or maybe they couldn't give them the magic touch they gave ALL the male characters. I mean, Skyler, Marie...ugh. and lrt's not even start with Lydia...hysterical neurotic. But they did such a great job with Kim! I just love her!

It would be such a shame if the show got cancelled before we had the ending Vince and Co. want to give us.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
5. On rewatch, Skyler improves significantly.
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 04:49 AM
Jun 2017

I liked Skyler through most of the original run. When she was irritable, she had excellent reasons for being so, and neither her acting nor her writing pulled any punches. We've gotten so accustomed to the trope of the perfect wife that when we see realism, it feels like a horror show. She didn't start off terribly introspective, but after the full run, the reasons for that came clear -- she married a genius and he never let her forget it, so she learned to stop digging into herself because mining that vein made surviving too difficult.

The White marriage was a master-class in toxic passive aggression. Both Walt and Skyler started out with a degree of passive aggression*, but they elevated it in each other because they spent 15-16 years in a marriage for the sake of their child, (and avoiding abject poverty). Poor Flynn. But on rewatch, with the knowledge of how narcissistic and arrogant Walt is when he has even a little power, it's easy to see how he would take out his aggressions on someone he perceived as even less powerful. He wouldn't be direct; he'd undermine another person's sense of self and then blame them for failing to thrive without a foundation, while considering himself perfectly innocent and righteous.

Marie is difficult at first, but she grows and became one of my favorite characters over time. She benefited from therapy in a way that's seldom shown on television. Given that the major viewpoint character is Walt, and that in his perspective, everyone is beneath him, it's not that surprising that we start out with his perspective of his wife (note the possessive there -- she's an extension of him, not an independent entity) and her annoying sister.

But I do think the writing team has benefited from learning to write these characters in this world, and some of their fresh writers are just brilliant. Knowing the ultimate end-game gave them freedom to explore this world's now. And yes, Kim is a rockstar. I want more of her backstory.

All television seems to be suffering from attention-deprivation this spring. I think it's not the fault of this series, or of anything that's currently running. It's just... the people who normally watch are cutting into their entertainment time to be horrified and politically motivated, and when they do have time for something, a master class in story-telling takes a lot of work. Yet something else to lay at the GoOP's feet.

*Because Marie is also passive aggressive, and siblings grow up in the same environment, usually latching on to similar survival strategies.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
8. Oh, wow, this is a really profound analysis!
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 04:20 PM
Jun 2017

However, my dislike for Skyler wasn't because I was expecting her or wanting her to be the perfect wife; and I agree that Walter was narcissistic and arrogant, but he also had some redeeming qualities -he had cared for his family working so hard as to taking two jobs while Skyler was just sitting at home "writing a novel" and selling their trash on ebay. It didn't seem to bother her that her husband was working himself to death and coughing off his lungs. There was no reason for her not having a job. Flynn was an independent teen-ager who didn't need constant care. And that's when I starting disliking her, from day one.

I understand her reactions to Walter. But my feelings towards her are not so much about Walter, they are about the kind of person she was. I saw the other characters as being more well-rounded. It's not that Skyler wasn't the perfect wife. Is that I didn't see any redeeming qualities in her.

I'm not sure that I agree that they had stayed together all those years because of Flynn. I think that at least Walter loved her "Skyler, you are the love of my life". She also made a big deal over his birthdays, so...and neither one ever cheated on the other before the cancer changed everything.

As for Marie, I just found her annoying. But you are right that she changed. When Hank was shot she was a real champion to him.

I completely agree that Kim is a rockstar.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
6. I really hope he learned from writing Skylar's character.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 12:19 PM
Jun 2017

I watched BB entirely on Netflix, so I never followed the show's day to day impact on our culture. Hearing about it now is both fascinating and terrifying.

Have you ever seen this?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
9. Yes, I remember when that article came out.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 04:27 PM
Jun 2017

But it didn't reflect my reasons for disliking her.

My dislike for her started on the very first episode. I saw this man, who was sick, who couldn't stop coughing, working two jobs while his wife stayed at home "writing her novel" and selling crap on ebay. To me that is not a "strong woman" with "a backbone of steel".

The writer have sure learned from writing Skyler's character. Kim is a huge, HUGE improvement.

PoiBoy

(1,542 posts)
10. Better Call Saul Season 4 confirmed...
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:28 AM
Jun 2017
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/better-call-saul-renewed-fourth-season-at-amc-1017090

I'm glad there's going to be a season 4... I'm curious as to what happens to Kim as she is non existent in Breaking Bad...

Then there's this interesting tidbit to consider:

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/better-call-saul/265828/better-call-saul-season-4-confirmed

“So while I think that there is a definite end in sight for the pre-Breaking Bad story, there still seems like there could be a lot in the post-Breaking Bad world. I'm kind of fascinated by that, simply as one of the first fans of the series. What could come out of that? No promises, but it seems to me that there's a little more opportunity for scope there than there even was in Breaking Bad.”

A post Breaking Bad story..? Interesting........




Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
11. Great catch!
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 07:58 AM
Jun 2017

I would love to see more of "Gene." In fact, you could make the case that his character has as much potential as Jimmy, since we generally know how that winds up.

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