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Related: About this forumWouldn't you rather live in this Bay Area?
The original BART plan from 1956.
I'm right near the Fruitdale station near the bottom. I'd be SO much happier if I could get up to SF/Oakland/Berkeley where most of my friends are!
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)I'm in Los Altos and would have had a stop 4 blocks from me.
petronius
(26,602 posts)Thanks for posting this...
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Right now the freeways (I-680 to I-580) are constantly jammed at rush hour. There's even an old railbed that could have been used for BART. It's now the Iron Horse Trail.
Auggie
(31,171 posts)that would have been eliminated from this alone. Then multiply that by 25 other metro areas. We spent the money on a "cold war" instead.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)that I and hundreds of thousands of other disabled, non-driving people would have had.
Brother Buzz
(36,434 posts)I was livid when that happened.
Auggie
(31,171 posts)Their withdrawal created a domino-like effect ...
From wikipedia:
In addition to San Francisco, Alameda, and Contra Costa Counties, Santa Clara County, San Mateo County, and Marin County were initially intended to be part of the system.
Another important factor in Marin's withdrawal was an engineering controversy over the feasibility of carrying trains across the Golden Gate Bridge.
LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit
Brother Buzz
(36,434 posts)Marin was on board until it was undone by last-minute politics.
Marin County was asked to withdraw from the project because BART officials were concerned that Marin voters might scuttle the entire system in the face of conflicting studies about its feasibility. Two studies concluded the Golden Gate Bridge could support a lower deck carrying trains. But engineer hired by the Golden Gate Bridge District said the plan would not work. One historian suggests the district shopped around for an engineer who would cast a cloud over the plan. Bridge officials did not want a train on the famed span, in part because the train could cut into the districts toll collections, said Louise Nelson Dyble, author of "Paying the Toll: Local Power, Regional Politics, and the Golden Gate Bridge."
Three decades later, a 1990 study concluded the bridge indeed could handle trains. By then, however, the cost of building such a system made it politically unfeasible.
Auggie
(31,171 posts)I always thought it was NIMBY pressure.
Brother Buzz
(36,434 posts)This was the gravel bed near my childhood home that BART would have used . The station would have been three blocks from my house. Note: you can't see it, but there is an electric 'third rail' beside the tracks that serviced the Northwestern Pacific electric train, a superb commuter system that served southern Marin County until 1941. Today, the rails are gone and it hosts a bicycle path. Would have, could have, should have.
Retrograde
(10,136 posts)which I don't expect to see built in my lifetime.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)it's supposed to open in about five years.
You're not terminally ill, are you?
Retrograde
(10,136 posts)If BART had gone with standard gauge track maybe we could be there by now!
NBachers
(17,110 posts)and BART is a great resource. I've used the airport extension twice in the last couple of months.
Los Gatos to Jennings - Sonoma -Napa - Brentwood - Fairfield
The traffic jams avoided
The population mobile together
What a lost opportunity.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)you have an actual station. I have the imaginary Fruitdale station, near the bottom, which is now a VTA light rail station that only gets me within the immediate San Jose area.